them: “both sides bad” me: “republicans are bad indeed” them: 😠
I’d rather have a politician who does absolutely nothing than a fascist.
Yes, this is how the two-pronged strategy works to ensure the working class never improves its standing.
Underrated preference.
They’re not political, they just wantt to see common sense policies on immigration (for brown people) and crime (for brown people).
Which is a shame because immigration can be one of the greatest boons to rural America.
As a centrist, I approve with this message. An actual centrist does not compromise with nazis.
Do they compromise with the controlled opposition to Nazis?
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Dang, I wish I could’ve seen what this comment says instead of having someone else decide for me.
Ah yes, the classical “you’re either with us or against us”
This is false.
I feel like most people here are american, which would explain this point of view
Eh it happens here in the UK too, ‘centre’ always seems to be ‘give the right wing half of what they want and the left wing nothing.’ which is really just right wing but slower.
I’ll grant you that this is very much an American sentiment currently, but it’s not exactly a purely tribal take when the centrist opinion is that sometimes Nazis can have good ideas.
No.
This is just the case on (yes American, make your own sites that would be nice) every intended forum.
Shit even my in laws say they are centrist, they don’t hold a single view that’s centrist. They vote down ticket republican their whole lives. This is a thing republicans do.
Every god damn time
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Dang, lots of censorship going on here.
When are we going to make communities that take moderation seriously and don’t just ban people because they feel like it?
Seems like the left don’t approve of common sense.
Not anymore, no.
Both parties are banking on the hysteria of their constituencies to stay in power.
It works.
Seems like the right is retarded.
It’s not the 80s anymore. The correct term is that they are Ignorant, racist, bigots.
It’s common sense from an outsider perspective that any organization that expects children to pledge allegiance to it 3000 times before adulthood is loaded with propaganda and the kids that graduate from that aren’t going to have proper common sense.
And just because other countries aren’t as obviously villainous about it doesn’t make their standardized textbooks and their corporate media (much of it imported from the propaganda empire above) that much less propagandistic.
So it’s common sense that common sense is tainted by decades of propaganda, and actually understanding something means unlearning what they taught you and looking with fresher eyes.
So you’re right, common sense is for chumps, and that’s just common sense.
Yeah and it’s always the others who are toxic and populist, right?
I may be toxic and populist, depending on who you ask, but I’m not a right-winger hiding behind a thin curtain of ‘centrism’.
Social centrism ≠ traditional centrism
They aren’t that either.
Funny how there’s a bunch of people in the comments essentially just unironically repeating the meme: “Well this must be wrong because I believe this and I’m actually a centrist!!!”
That’s the point, buddy. You’re the butt of the joke. The idea that the far-left and far-right are equally bad or warrant the same amount of scrutiny and criticism is a right-wing belief.
To make the point more obvious instead of using “left” and “right” look at specific political beliefs that the far-left and far-right have:
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Equality across social and demographic groups vs. State-enforced racism, sexism and other kinds of bigotry
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Abolishment of bourgeois property and money vs. Complete privatization, oligarchy and corruption
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Globalization, peaceful relations and a right to live where you want vs. Complete isolationism and xenophobia
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Right to self-governance and no government with a monopoly on violence vs. State sanctioned violence against those considered undesirable or traitors
Hopefully I don’t need to explain which one is obviously worse. To equate what the far-left and the far-right advocate for one must misrepresent the left, so both-sides-ism inherently has a right-wing slant.
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Left : “Stop bombing civilians”
Centrists : “Let’s meet in the middle and bomb only some of the civilians.”
But common sense hur dur
the left general public: let’s alienate the people that might agree with us, but be shocked when the right wins.
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What does right wing mean to you?
What does right wing mean to YOU?
Anyone who thinks any different than they do.
They are both bad in their own ways just one is the lesser of two evils.
But to me both sides suck
Don’t let the downvotes change your mind. Lemmy is clearly leftist and you must not be brainwashed into changing your political beliefs to follow the mass. Keep your critical thinking!
I won’t letting it change my beliefs. I love when people downvote instead of having a conversation they just do that. If I’m wrong with my belief I’ll admit it but you can’t learn without actually talking.
And wait till they find out I’m a democrat
True
In what world is, “Equality across social and demographic groups” seen as evil?
In the world where tankies are pretty much the only thing you see when you see people talking about far-left/communism, and where past examples of far-left countries aren’t really good for people (imo)
Communism and far-left is more than just “Equality across social and demographic groups”. It’s not as simple as a finger snap and everyone is equal. It often comes with important costs. Some people value more their freedom for example.
The road towards communism has been far more beneficial and prosperous than the capitalist road we’re currently treading. You claim that equality comes with important costs, but i will argue that the benefits far outweigh the “costs”, and wouldn’t be so much different than the current costs of maintaining the status quo.
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I like to come into these comments because it gives me a fresh batch of new “centralists” to tag.
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Wow, all these banned users!
It’s like there’s not even a discussion at this point.
Fuck these mods and their agendas.
that’s the free speech I want 😂
no need to be this mean though :(
Both sides exclude me for holding my particular set of opinions. I’m on my side, fuck you!
What beliefs would exclude you from both sides?? I feel like you’re making this up just to seem “different” tbh
Finally some common sense.
That’s actually fair. Maybe more parties would be better?
Yea, make your own opinions, and fuck everyone who criticizes a political category
If libs take the stance that you’re either fully on my team or you’re my enemy then it’s going to be a long time until you win some elections and have the ability to make real policy. Democracy is about compromise and appealing to as many voters as possible. Truth is whomever gets the independents wins the elections in the USA, everything else is just noise and excuses.
This would be all very well and good in principle, except that this assumption has now already been factored into mainstream Republican strategy. It’s now an everyday occurrence for them to say something absolutely outrageous based on the expectation that the “compromise” will be struck exactly where they want things to be.
