I’m pretty sure purchasing a glitter bomb-worth of glitter does not determine whether that same amount will be subsequently manufactured. the glitter has already been made. might was well make the most of it.
if I press the power button on a computer, it boots up following a set of causal events. it’s not like there are little people inside the machine deciding how much power to let through or how many pixels to make white.
but human manufacturing and market systems are rife with people who can decide if or when or how much or how long. my decisions don’t cause their decisions.
It does indirectly; if there is a trend of glitter bombs that causes the sales of glitter to go up 100% over a sustained period, then those people will likely decide to manufacture more, because making decisions that way is their job. Are you trying to say that their decisions have moral weight here while the consumer’s decisions do not? Or are you trying to say that how much glitter is purchased literally does not impact how much is produced? I could see how someone might argue for the former even though I disagree, but I’m pretty sure the latter is just not the truth.
Okay but realistically what is going to happen? You seem smart, you don’t need to be walked across the line, you know that in this world that we live in, they are going to manufacture more. Because there is no force that is going to stop them from doing it. And until there is, that won’t change. So while that force does not exist, it is a near certainty that you purchasing glitter or meat contributes to its continued production.
One single bag of glitter may not make a big difference, but each bag makes an equal contribution. Sure, regulation would be more effective, but in its absence the best way to prevent glitter production is to not buy any.
This is absolutely causal btw. More glitter purchased -> shelves empty -> stores order more glitter -> producers make more glitter
here’s another story, you can believe this one because it JUST happened:
user posts stupid take -> I respond patiently -> user unveils their stupidity is astronomical and no amount of reason will help -> I feel dumb for wasting my time
I’m pretty sure purchasing a glitter bomb-worth of glitter does not determine whether that same amount will be subsequently manufactured. the glitter has already been made. might was well make the most of it.
Doesn’t it? More people buying -> more being manufactured?
that’s not causal
wdym
if I press the power button on a computer, it boots up following a set of causal events. it’s not like there are little people inside the machine deciding how much power to let through or how many pixels to make white.
but human manufacturing and market systems are rife with people who can decide if or when or how much or how long. my decisions don’t cause their decisions.
It does indirectly; if there is a trend of glitter bombs that causes the sales of glitter to go up 100% over a sustained period, then those people will likely decide to manufacture more, because making decisions that way is their job. Are you trying to say that their decisions have moral weight here while the consumer’s decisions do not? Or are you trying to say that how much glitter is purchased literally does not impact how much is produced? I could see how someone might argue for the former even though I disagree, but I’m pretty sure the latter is just not the truth.
so: not causal, and still subject to free will
It does ensure a non-zero amount ends up as pollution though
once it is manufactured it is pollution, no matter what happens to it
Just use biodegradable glitter like mica
Do you have a preference between burying nuclear waste in a designated disposal site and scattering it randomly over waterways?
sure. do I get to make that decision on behalf of glitter retailers?
Let’s make sure it stays on the shelves
This is the same silly argument people have for eating meat - doesn’t hold water
it’s absolutely true, but if you object, point out whatever said that’s wrong.
When you buy something, you add yourself to the demand for the thing.
and when you buy something, the supply shrinks
What do manufacturers do when the supply shrinks?
they’re agents with free will. they can decide anything at all, including to destroy their existing inventory.
Okay but realistically what is going to happen? You seem smart, you don’t need to be walked across the line, you know that in this world that we live in, they are going to manufacture more. Because there is no force that is going to stop them from doing it. And until there is, that won’t change. So while that force does not exist, it is a near certainty that you purchasing glitter or meat contributes to its continued production.
production Will continue at the same levels regardless of what I buy
so the price goes up. that doesn’t cause more production, though.
Mate, you’re making commies look bad by failing to understand supply and demand.
supply and demand is a theory about price discovery
… Annnd what does it mean when you buy a big bag of glitter, and then the price is the same tomorrow, and in a week… And in month?
It means your demand has not outpaced production, nor reduced a finite resource - your purchase of stock has simply been replenished by a supplier.
Purchases inform supply - more will be made to continue meeting demand. If this is not the case, the market price will change.
https://qoblex.com/blog/the-law-of-supply-and-demand-complete-guide-to-market-economics/
buying something does not cause production continue though.
One single bag of glitter may not make a big difference, but each bag makes an equal contribution. Sure, regulation would be more effective, but in its absence the best way to prevent glitter production is to not buy any.
This is absolutely causal btw. More glitter purchased -> shelves empty -> stores order more glitter -> producers make more glitter
this is story telling. give me data
here’s another story, you can believe this one because it JUST happened:
user posts stupid take -> I respond patiently -> user unveils their stupidity is astronomical and no amount of reason will help -> I feel dumb for wasting my time