What is stopping him from just declaring it anyways?
While we are at it: What additional power would that give his goons? They can already enforce curfews, ban assembly, demand documentation, ignore the fourth amendment, and just straight up murder anyone they want. What does martial law give them beyond that?
The Supreme Court did, eventually, tell him he can’t just send the military in to brutalize people whenever he wants. But they also signaled that if there was an actual insurrection they would allow it. So I think there is something to this logic.
But it still leaves the question of how to stop fascism more generally open. I am thinking an organization, mass economic disruption is the only realistic option but that will be very difficult for people who are just getting buy. Certainly we should all cut our spending to a bare minimum. If we can pool our resources to provide strike funds that would also help but it might be tough to get that much buy in.
Their response to having access to the military cut off was to simply militarize ICE into a paramilitary group with powers that are more broad than even the military would get for such enforcement. With the advantage that ICE can be staffed entirely with fascist friendly true believers while the military is mostly staffed with just regular humans.
If they deployed the military as police enforcers it would instantly become the most ethnically diverse and lowest paid police organization in the country. They have to have considered that.
What additional power would that give his goons?
Its not automatic with martial law, but has been granted along with martial law imposition at times in US history: suspension of the writ of habeas corpus
“The right to challenge one’s detention before a judge, known as the writ of habeas corpus, is a principle of the legal system that serves as a safeguard against unlawful imprisonment. It requires the government to provide a valid reason for holding a person in custody, preventing arbitrary detention.”
In other words, today you can be locked up, but the Constitution requires you have rights to go before a judge and challenge your incarceration, and the judge can choose to set you free.
With the suspension you can still get locked up, but now they can just let you rot without any legal recourse to get you out.
Shame we already lost that one. Few, if any, of the people getting picked up by ICE are ending up in front of a judge, including the US citizens.
Yeah. Were already fucked and the way i see it, theres no more possible peaceful solutions.
Omar gets it. This will escalate and escalate and escalate… This is the fascist playbook happening before our very eyes.
There is no good outcome to this situation, and it will affect the entire country before the midterms.
Arm yourselves. Now.
Here is my issue with the opposition and the “stay peaceful” cries from the Democratic politicians.
They have to do something radical in response to the violence of the federal government if they want individual citizens to stay peaceful! Omar should be calling on Tim Walls to use state power to purge ICE from the state.
Does this escalate? Yes, it absolutely does. But it’s an escalation of state power in response to federal crimes. Is it legal? Who the fuck cares?! Create a constitutional crisis! If you don’t want citizens getting violent, you don’t say bull shit like “oh, they want us to be violent. They’ll use it as a reason to be more violent”. BECAUSE THEY ALREADY ARE?! They are already being fucking Nazis.
Like, I’m sorry. But how the fuck do you think we got to door to door “papers please” checks? How did we get to the cold blooded execution of an American citizen live in 4k?
Was it because of all this violent leftist resistance? Fuck no! How are we even talking about that like it’s a meaningful thing?! We got here because there has been ZERO meaningful resistance within the political system that you are telling us to obey.
Fucking do something that actually takes balls. Fascist are fucking pussies and they back off at the first sign of resistance. Why? Because they are not popular. They need to keep up the illusion of power by walking away from every person that actually fights back.
If you don’t want violent citizens you have to actually use the power of the state to respond to the violence that they are being subjected to. Otherwise, you’re telling the victim to not fight back, only because the bully will “make an example of them”. But you’re the fucking Teacher and the Bully is the school principal. Fucking do something!
When the Teachers only action is to tell the students to “not fight back” as the Principal abuses every student. The Teacher is ALSO the problem.
This is on .world, so I want to preface this by saying; I don’t promote violence, and this isn’t a call to action for anything violent. I’m merely dropping a note about historical events.
Women didn’t get their rights to vote by peacefully protesting to their husbands, fathers, or parliament. Of course, they did all this. They engaged politically to the extent they could. They wrote letters and protested. They were mocked and ridiculed for their simple requests that their voices should be heard too.
More than that though, some people decided that they needed to be so loud that their voices couldn’t be left unheard. Historically, rights have been taken away from people with ease. People clawing rights back from their oppressors is rarely as easy, nor as peaceful.
People have died and gone missing. Peaceful days are already over, and anyone who believes otherwise is lying to themselves.
Exactly. If they want people not to form up an armed response to this then they need to use the actual tools that they have to substitute for that. States have armed bodies that are specifically designed to protect the rights of their citizens. If their call to “stay peaceful” doesn’t come with a promise to USE those resources then it means they are on the wrong side.
So people should not protest?
Both. The Civil Rights movement only worked because they had both the MLKs of the world AND the Malcom Xs.
But if there’s not enough agitation they’ll keep provoking…
It’s like telling a kid “the bully just wants a reaction” ignoring that the bully isn’t just calling names, he’s causing serious and permanent harm.
They’re breaking into random houses with no warrants, murdering people on the streets, not allowing local law enforcement to investigate anything ICE does…
What the fuck is the endgame to “don’t react” besides “they do anything they want”?
Right now in 2026, who is going to reign in trump so the people don’t have to?
She’s not saying “don’t react”, she’s saying “this is the only explanation for this behavior”.
She’s not saying “don’t give the bully ammo”, she’s saying “this is bullying behavior”
Please read articles and not just headlines
The people have to do it.
Just in case you need it for a crossword puzzle or something later:
With a g, it means to rule as a king.
Trump reigns right now.
Without a g it’s the control straps for a horse, or using said controls.
Congress ought to rein him in.
Maybe they meant “who’s going to rule over Trump?” and to that I say: the people, when they finally wake up.
Armed goons breaking in doors. No warrants
Murdering observers and calling them terrorists
Disappearing people including Us citizens
Attacking schools.
WE ARE ALREADY IN MARTIAL LAW
If they’re just breaking down doors on anonymous tip, how long till people start ambushing them? They know they don’t have the data to back up a warrant, so they clearly aren’t putting much time checking where they’re invading.
Right but if everyone stays peaceful then the de facto martial law won’t become declared martial law.
And this is clearly beneficial because of all these benefits of being under de facto martial law instead of declared martial law like
- hmm
- well let’s see
- there should probably be some kind of benefits here
Not convinced yet? Well you see there’s also a host of benefits you get from quietly obeying and surrendering your rights like
- getting shot by unaccountable federal officers
- having your door kicked in for exercising your rights to free speech
- emboldening the fascists by showing there’s nothing you are willing to do to defend yourself
If everyone stays peaceful, surely the jackbooted thugs who delight in hurting and killing citizens and immigrants alike will… continue doing that.
Does Minnesota have a castle doctrine?
According to Wikipedia, on paper yes but in practice the duty to retreat has been upheld in case law.
Even if you have a jurisdiction with rock solid castle doctrine, using that as a defense for shooting at law enforcement is a perilous legal strategy.
There’s no way he knows how to spell it. Trump will declare Marshall Law.
He is desperate to suspend the Midterm Election because he knows the Dems are going to win in a bloodbath, and get control of investigative committees with subpoena and arrest powers.
Even during the shamefully feckless Biden administration, they put Bannon and Ron Varo in jail for defying their subpoenas. With a new freshman crop of angry, motivated Dems screaming for MAGA blood, they will be much more aggressive this time around. We may see impeachments not only if Trump, but also Noem, RFK Jr, Hegseth, Thomas, Alito, etc. And with the presidential election coming up, there may be ambitious MAGAs who want their shot at the Big Chair, and will cross the aisle to bury this administration, and clear the decks for their own shot. Trump can’t allow that to happen.
So he will TRY to suspend elections, but that is a BRIGHT RED LINE, that must never be crossed. We have never suspended an election, not even during the Civil War, because it literally means the official end of American Democracy. He cannot be allowed to do that, under any circumstances.
And let’s say he cancels the election. Elections are a state-managed process, so what if the Blues states don’t respect his suspension, and hold their elections anyway? What if Red states balk at having their election rights removed, and decide to defy Trump and have their elections?
What will happens if the House flips, and a new crop of freshman Dem reps show up to be sworn in by the new House Majority Leader. Trump will order Mike Johnson to hold the line, but will he be able to?
We hear loose talk of “Constitution Crisis” all the time, but this would be an actual Constitutional Crisis, one of the biggest in American history.
And let’s say he cancels the election. Elections are a state-managed process, so what if the Blues states don’t respect his suspension, and hold their elections anyway?
Do you legitimately not see what the plan is?
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Declare fraud or whatever by blue state governments.
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Say Blue state governments refuse to work with fed.
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Install puppet leaders in blue state governments to “save the states”
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Puppet leader might cancel elections, but more likely they do all they can to rig it either thru voter suppression and shutting down certain polls, or just ignore actual results and declaring trump gets all the state electoral votes.
What will happens if the House flips, and a new crop of freshman Dem reps show up to be sworn in by the new House Majority Leader.
How is that a question either?
They just won’t bring the House in session to seat the new congress, just like they did with that special election seat.
They’re not using Congress to do things, trump is doing things and they’re obstructing congress from holding him accountable.
“No congress” is their goal. Some people can keep desks, but they’re not doing any type of governing. They want the president and his unelected appointees to just be able to do anything. Fully consolidated power, and we’re fucked because for 30 years neoliberals were pushing consolidation too.
You’re still expecting MAGA to work inside a system when all they’ve done is try to blow the system up. They don’t want any representation.
That’s the point. By making them stick to the Constitution, they have to deliberately ignore it and make up their own rules, and that makes it much harder for even a friendly Supreme Court to agree with them.
Make them dance.
By making them stick to the Constitution
What the actual fuck…
You think they’re being held by the constitution?
That’s not even getting into how the “difficulties” it creates is just SC clerks from Ivy League schools have to work more unpaid hours to write up some bullshit justification…
Of course not, but you don’t just give them an out, make them actually, literally violate the Constitution.
Then dare SCOTUS to defend it.
make them actually, literally violate the Constitution.
They not only are, they have been, consistently…
Then dare SCOTUS to defend it.
They do, again consistently…
You think that is somehow accomplishing something, even tho I just said;
just SC clerks from Ivy League schools have to work more unpaid hours to write up some bullshit justification…
Is anything I’m saying making sense to you?
No, it’s not. I’m supposed to surrender American Democracy because of some imaginary law clerks? WTF?
What you’re saying to do, is what’s been happening and is happening and won’t do anything to prevent it from continuing…
Your plan is “surrender”
But at this point I don’t think I’m going to help you understand anything, and frankly I don’t think it’s worth the effort
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