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If Zelensky announced that they had started building a gigantic gilded statue of the Orange One in Kiev, there would probably be a US guarded no-fly zone over entire Ukraine as soon as the first carrier could get close enough. And they:d be loading Tomahawks and all the other gear Ukraine has requested for transport within few hours.
Yeah she tried to Bribe him and he was like “thanks for that, bye!”. Two absolute morons.
Has the vibes of Putin stealing a superbowl ring, but less power move and more pathetic desperation.
Honestly, the Nobel Foundation has done themselves and the Nobel Prize terrible damage. I, for one, am no longer interested in this sham of an award, or any of the other Nobel prizes. They should be ashamed that were stupid enough or corrupt enough to have given it to Machado in the first place, she was clearly no agent for peace. This just adds to that shame.
Look at it from her side. She can “give” this narcissistic her award (which she actually can’t) and the guy who holds the strings will be pleased and she gets her country back, peacefully.
That’s a great deal for her and Venezuela overall. She is playing him. It’s tactful and tactical. And he’s a pathetic toddler who only responds to praise and participation awards - what a sad sad sad person to have as leader. I hope MAGA sees how pathetic this is but I know they won’t.
its a little naive if anything, hes not going to give anything back. he just takes more if anything. hes a void.
Her success in her mission was always a long shot. Flattery can work on him so it makes sense for her to try
She already succeeded in her mission.
its a little naive if anything
Doesn’t matter: it’s the effort that counts. Plus, he’s a transactional moron.
That is a risk, but she’s got to try something. Doing nothing is how the US got where it is now.
A policy of appeasement certainly can be worse than nothing
It worked so well in the 1930s and 40s!
She’s not “trying to get her country back.” For one, it doesn’t belong to her but to all Venezuelans, the majority of which do not like her. In addition, she has spoken publicly at economic conferences about her plans to sell the rights to Venezuela’s oil and other natural resources to US oil companies. She’s playing a game here, but it’s at the expense of Venezuelans, not for their benefit.
When the US kidnaps your president and installs a puppet, it’s hardly “getting your country back” when the puppet plays along.
She’s not the puppet he installed. She’s trying to bribe him to put her in that position but for now it’s Maduro’s VP Delcy Rodriguez
She’s not the puppet he installed.
No, but she sure as hell has wanted to for a very long time.
She already bribed him by promising access to the oil for political gain.
Which is the stupid part, because the peace prize was her only leverage. It’s pretty clear she’s purely trying to play the book of appeasing him to get him help her, but failed to actually secure that part in some under the table quid pro quo.
Now Trump gets to pick and choose between two people that are willing to sell out their country to appease him, except one is actually in control of said country while the other handed him a peace prize (her only leverage) and hoped for him to ‘do the right thing’.
she gets her country back, peacefully
Its too late for that.
Versus a civil war, this would be a much more peaceful approach.
I mean… I have to say, civil war wise this is possibly worse.
Trumps initial claim of her was that she was weak and she didn’t have the support of her people. Obviously it’s BS… but look at it now.
Imagine being one of the Venezuelan people. Someone just kissed the ass of the guy who just kidnapped your former leader. Regardless of her capabilities… Everyone will know she took power, by overtly sucking up to the guy that’s been bombing their fishing boats, killed 80 people in the process of kidnapping their leader. No matter how you look at it I can’t imagine the people of Venezuela are going to see her as anything but having sold out their country.
You don’t think that a well connected person being undemocratically installed by the government that kidnapped the existing president, stole your oil and murdered dozens of your people be the cause of a civil war?
Seems like you only believe in might makes right.
Not at all, but she did win the last election soo…
Did she?
Kind of weird because she did not actually run in the presidential election. She won her primary but was disqualified before the election.
Now she’s sucking up to someone that has murdered dozens of Venezuelans. Her interview on Hannity is pathetic.
Is Trump in a position to “give” Venezuela to Machado? As far as I can determine the same government that was running it before Maduro’s abduction is running it currently.
That was a choice by the Trump administration. They could have removed the entire cabinet if they wanted to. They probably, and I may be giving them more credit than they deserve, hoped that showing the remaining cabinet what could happen would mean they would do as Trump asked. Mob tactics.
Also they probably thought creating a power vacuum wouldn’t help either because it never does. Ever. Ever ever. History has proved that SOO many times.
They could have removed the entire cabinet if they wanted to.
I think you’re giving them a bit too much credit…
Could they have? I have seen a lot of talk, but the actual plan that Rubio laid out is that they are going to embargo Venezuela until the government does what they want. The same thing they were doing before Maduro’s abduction. It’s been a couple weeks now since that abduction and it doesn’t seem like Trump is any more in control of Venezuela than he was prior to the abduction. Just a lot of grandiose claims.
She’s not playing him. He is playing her. She’s the one begging in this situation, not him.
He not a toddler, he’s about to extort an entire country for oil, and very likely go to war with them. Machado isn’t playing him, shes encouraging him in the hope that she gets a seat at the table.
and very likely go to war with them.
And very likely to face another Vietnam. Deservedly, 10x-over.
He’s doing things based on his memories. 80s were his happy time. He went in for oil but even the oil companies want little to do with that - we’re past peak oil and it’ll cost a fortune to get the oil fields producing an amount that’s profitable and that will also have a big affect on demand cost (i.e. cost will go down so there’s no point in extraction)
Former oil worker and from a family of oil workers. Been through enough cycles to know what to expect.
Trump is a toddler who doesn’t understand simple business ideas anymore, if he ever did. Machado is playing him because she knows he only listens to praise from the last person he talked to. He’s very simple and old.
Plus, more oil on the markets will just push the price down further without increasing sales. Trump is not going to wave a magic wand and make people around the world start burning more oil when everyone else is switching to renewables as fast as they can.
Venezuela overall
Yeah I don’t think being forced to give away your natural resources is a great deal.
Sure this is great “move” if you have no morals or ethics… the notion the Orange Pedo will hand over a country and forget about is laughable… she just wants to be next in the trough and will obey the fellon president as long as she can suck the tit, Venezuelans be damned
no morals or ethics
What morals or ethics? The medal is just a thing. Trading it for an ideal like democracy for your people (ie, a peaceful bid to try to restore democracy to your country) seems a worthy cause indicating all the more that she deserved that prize in the first place.
What morals or ethics? The medal is just a thing.
The cozying up to a convicted felon, rapist, fraudster, pedophile, war monger part?
Machado does not want democracy, she wants to be “appointed”
The cozying up to a convicted felon, rapist, fraudster, pedophile, war monger part?
Like every world leader flattering & gifting the douche (a problem that might resolve itself in a few years) to evade extra hardships from the US? Have you been asleep? That’s classic diplomacy in this sort of situation. Except for the warmongering part, the US’s problems aren’t everyone else’s: the US can fuck themselves for all they care.
No sense in faulting someone working with what they got. They’re in no position to challenge the US.
Machado does not want democracy
They already had an election robbed by falsified results.
Like every world leader flattering…
Exactly and look where that got us. Flattering one of the worse human beings alive today has not slowed him down or even curve his behaviour for the better
They already had an election robbed by falsified results.
Yes and Machado was not a candiate in it… if she were peddling for that last election to be ratified, I would be more understanding but she just wants to be annointed the new puppet head of Venezuela
When the enemy has no morals or ethics, what do you do?
The US has always wanted puppet states in the Americas. Sure, she’d be beholden to the US, for now, but she may be better than the Maduro regime, and the people voted her in too.
When the enemy has no morals or ethics, what do you do?
I feel you want me to say you are supposed to sink to his level? isn’t that what most Americans are complaining the Democrats are doing?
Democrats haven’t sunk to that level at all. Wtf are you talking about. Dems have written strongly worded letters asking for violence to please stop, protested a bit and blown some whistles. Meanwhile MAGA and their paramilitary (ice) have gone around killing people. They are not the same.
Not suggesting violent retaliation, because that is what the right want - they’re trying to provoke violence, but there are other non-violent disruptive behaviours that could be enacted
Democrats haven’t sunk to that level at all.
I’m talking about their movement towards the right. Democrats are far right compared to most actual leftist party in the world
truely the greatest snowflake
it would be really funny if she just let replica made to give him and kept the original :D
I don’t know if having a title such as this constitutes the need for affirmation. Like you need to show people you have an award for something that one should have been done already. (You don’t tell ppl your going to therapy but rather you do the positive outcomes/actions for your community/oneself)
The Foundation couldn’t stop her from doing this, and as far as they’re concerned, it’s still hers. Physical possession is symbolic, and she knew it would get him to calm down. Cynical? Yes. But it if works…
My issue is that Machado should never have got the award in the first place, Trump now possessing it adds insult to injury. The Foundation should be ashamed of what they did.
My issue is that Machado should never have got the award in the first place
Why? At the time she was a persecuted activist challenging a dictator. That’s right up their alley.
she was a persecuted activist
Was she though… ‘cos she seems to be sucking the persecuters’ dicks now… maybe it’s Stockholm syndrome.
The Peace prize foundation has nothing to do with the scientific prizes.
And it has always been a joke, they even gave the peace prize to Kissinger.
And Obama.
Misses here and there does not mean the whole is a “joke”. Most of the people who received deserved it.
Obama too
Look at who awards the prices. Copied from Wikipedia:
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences (Physics, Chemistry and Economics[1])
Nobel Assembly at the Karolinska Institute (Physiology or Medicine)
Swedish Academy (Literature)
Norwegian Nobel Committee (Peace)
Notably all prices except the peace price are awarded by Swedish institutions.
And, speaking as a Norwegian, the committee members are selected by politicians, some notably being right-wing parties
Currently there’s a big discussion about reforming it due to these reasons, and have the committee more rooted in subject experts. There’s a fair amount of criticism, especially by our red party
They gave it to Machado for her activism against Maduro. They can’t predict the future.
I mean no offense, but do you really not see what’s behind her receiving it in the first place?
Yes, her activism against Maduro. That’s what’s behind it, What conspiracy do you have in mind?
I don’t think you can call the USA’s efforts to undermine South America’s governments a conspiracy at this point. It’s well documented that over the years the CIA have done everything they can to control the region. In this episode of the ongoing South American telenovela, DT wanted the Nobel peace prize. There was no reason to give it to him so instead someone smarter used the US leverage over the committee to create a narrative where the US backed opposition would get some legitimacy and global recognition so that the upcoming coup wouldn’t taste so bad.
US backed opposition
What an insult to Venezuelans. That opposition was homegrown and domestic and a response to Maduro’s refusal to yield power. She was a leader in that opposition and was awarded the prize months before she outed herself as someone supporting a violent coup.
the US leverage over the committee
What leverage is that exactly? Do you not realize how fucking embarrassing you sound right now? This doesn’t exist.
The US’ past in South America is not a license for you to just make up bullshit. We have:
1.) the likely, sensible theory where the Committee saw Machado as a pro-democracy activist against a dictator.
or…
2.) Trump wanted a Nobel prize, forced the Committee to give the award to Machado. And somehow, Machado made him do this to take advantage of him. And she convinced Trump to pull off a coup 4 months later.
Yeah, I don’t like her either, but’s not an excuse to fucking lie like this.
I’m sure there’s a lot of different “factions” opposing Maduro, surely many of them on the actual left, but somehow she comes out on top.
The US’s past and present in South America is quite telling imho. The current administration have made their intentions clear - as opposed to previous administrations who were more diplomatic and secretive, but the goal is ultimately the same.
As for your 2, with all due respect that’s not what I was suggesting. Machado is just a pawn, I’m not saying she manifested this. Now if you think that’s bs, that’s cool, whatever. To me it’s pretty obvious.
They should be ashamed that were stupid enough
Seems like you’re telling on yourself: doing whatever they must to peacefully try to get their country back is a very peace prizey thing to do.
What a cunt.
Norwegian writer Knut Hamsun gave his Nobel Literature Prize medal to Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels in 1943. A strong supporter of the Nazis, Hamsun was convicted of treason in 1947 and spent the rest of his life in mental institutions. It is not known what became of his medal.
https://www.thelocal.no/20180929/1001-ways-to-lose-a-nobel-prize/
what a knut
Nobel piss prize.
Participation trophy
What a fucking child. He can’t even see how embarrassing this is. SAD!
It’s the same as someone who bought a medal of honor at a deceased estate garage sale and thinking that you earned a medal of honor…
Also, as far as ‘cucked’ goes.
It’s an open secret in NYC that he divorced Marla [wife#2, Tiffany’s mother] after he caught her with a member of his security team.
He paid the guy who slept with his wife.
He paid the guy who slept with his wife.
Did he though? Trump is known for not paying the people that work for him
Think Cadet Bonespurs is going to mess around with his personal protection?
She’s manipulating the needy bastard. It’ll work
I want a Nobel prize boo-hoo
I’m going to preface with this with I know it’s not actually going to happen this way so don’t worry about replying to tell me how stupid it is, it’s just a dream.
How wonderful would it be if she coated the metal in anthrax (or some similar instant death substance that’s super sneaky) and then stuck it in that stupid frame, knowing that they would check it for explosives but that Trump would want it so bad he wouldn’t let them keep it for any long period of time and when he’s hiding away in his room feeling cool about himself he opens it up and puts it on and then dies a fast but horrible death? I’d love that. Fast because I just want the fucker dead.
Anthrax isn’t instant or really that fast
What a couple of absolute losers
To be fair her thinking was that if she just give him that hunk of metal and he overthrows the government it would be absolutely worth it.
And to me that doesn’t make me look in a bad way on her.
But unfortunately the joke is on her, he has no intention of doing it (he is fine with regime, he just wanted to get the oil). And he already is showing this by forgetting her name.
