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The government has “strongly condemned” chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for “death” to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.
Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of “free, free Palestine” and “death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]” during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.
A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were “deeply offensive”, adding it had issued a warning on screen about “very strong and discriminatory language”. The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.
Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.
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If Zionists had any real leverage they could use to control states Spain and Ireland (and to a lesser extent France under Macron) wouldn’t be outspoken advocates for Palestinian rights. The guilt trip is definitely part of it, but also don’t underestimate the scale or pervasiveness of Israeli propaganda. I mean, unless you’re exceptionally educated on Palestinian history at least half the things you believe about the so-called conflict are probably Israeli propaganda., irrespective of what you feel about Israel. I hate to admit it, but they are good at this stuff. Their major Western ally status gained during the Cold War is also not helping.
I’m not sure what has given Spain their perspective but at least in Ireland there is no amount of propaganda you could throw at us to change public perception here, largely on a moral ground, but we also have that sweet, sweet history of oppression. We were all horrified on October 6th but there’s no justification for the current genocide.
Really fucking tired of antisemitism bring bandied about as the reason for our support too. Children are being shot in the street, losing limbs and being starved as a weapon of war FFS. Antisemitism is a real and nasty thing and the word is being cheapened by the hour.
Very happy to have a larger country along for the ride with us. History is on our side. 🇪🇸🤝🇮🇪
Big ups to you! No “skin in the game” but taking the right side. Disappointed in my own government. Luckily basically every regular person I’ve ever spoken with about it agrees with the take… Just the state…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Spain
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_to_Catalonia
The Spanish are a great bunch of lads
Fada beò an Spàinn!
Well I learned a lot so thanks. Particularly surprised at the levels that anarchism reached there. I’m listening to the 'revolutions" podcast at the moment (highly recommended) and just coming into the Russian revolutions so I can see the seeds of it.
Have you read the book you linked? Any good?
Aye, true progress was being made and that couldn’t be allowed to happen. Germany’s Blitzkrieg tactics were practised on Spain before they began their expansion.
I tried but I have an unfortunate case of bees in my brain so I didn’t finish it. Need to give it another go. The portion that I read was interesting though!
Who’s the revolutions podcast by?
Edit: https://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/revolutions_podcast/ this?
Yeah that’s the lad. The history of Rome is incredible. I only fell into Revolutions because I needed something to fill the gap after history of Rome and his style is very easy listening.
I’m being a bit more picky with the sections I listen to in revolutions but really enjoying it so far.
It’s on Spotify etc if you have that.
They are a great people and a lot of fun. And deeply distrustful of the state for a lot of reasons. And they and Ireland are increasingly taking up the mantle of leaders of the free world. Germany and the US governments are corrupt and shameful.
I love how Orwell - being so iconic today - had to be described as “Author of ‘The Road to Wigan Pier’ etc”
Cheers. I’ll give them a read this evening.
And yeah great bunch of lads the Spanish. Absolutely sound in general.
The most obvious genocide since the holocust. You don’t need to know history to know what israel does now right now is terrible
Hey col, let’s sprinkle in some real antisemitism. Unbelievable.
You’d like to claim that being against Israeli murder is antisemitism and thats never been true. Its dishonest, it’s arguing via a category error, and communicating in bad faith.
Its a cheap facile con that also serves as a slight against the person you are talking to, by using such a stupid argument in a seemingly serious manner.
You’re not as clever as you think. You’re just weaponizing peoples wish for a just system to your own malignant purposes. We all see you.
Ben Gurion famously said of the zionist crimes of the Nakba in 1948, “The old will die and the young will forget.” But we will not forget. This will never be normalized, and Israel will remain a pariah people. That is a danger to global jewry and is itself the true antisemtisim thats happening today. Its being perpetrated by zionists like yourself.
Sure, man. Repeating antisemitic conspiracy ideology is helping the thing.
Maybe some people should stop reading “The Protocols of the elders of Zion”.
A heavy accusation.
The Guardian newspaper, New York Times, Oxford research, Mondoweiss all cite the quote without any note of it being controversial, so your calling it a conspiracy theory is itself the conspiracy theory, unless you have some proof? Show us all your proof of your libelous accusation that is of similar standing to those 4 sources?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/may/12/israel1
https://mondoweiss.net/2013/06/the-young-palestinian/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/books/review/the-hundred-years-war-on-palestine-rashid-khalidi.html
https://oxfordre.com/literature/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780190201098.001.0001/acrefore-9780190201098-e-1211
It also is exactly the same sentiment Ben Gurion expressed in so many venues and written letters in very similar wording. Are you denying that this is what – and how Ben Gurion (aka David Gruen before he moved from New York city to Palestine to found Israel) thought? Does your reflex toward revisionist history stretch so far? And you are pivotting from one lie to another aren’t you, because I see you have nothing to say about your previous accusation about “antisemtisim” huh. Well thats fine, I accept your apology as long as you don’t let those lies and slanderous accusations happen again.
Back up your self serving fantastical claims or dont make them. No one here has time for lies.
Wich quote? Did you even read the (now deleted) comment, In answered to?
There is something going on though right?
There absolutely must be Zionist Jews in influential positions in American and probably the UK who have the interest of Israel above the interest of their country. There is loads of funding for pro Israel groups.
The whole antisemitic propaganda thrown at Labour is real questionable.
Pro Israel groups have been caught rewriting history on Wikipedia.
Without being able to talk about it how do we know what’s real and what’s a conspiracy?
Like just talking about things that are true isn’t wrong. The whole banking system is too much. But what is right?
Ridiculous, there is no need to invent a conspiracy. Isreal and the UK have aligned economic and military interests. There is no jewish shadow banking syndicate pulling the strings, there simply an understanding that the UK benefits from a state like Israel existing in the middle east and that if it didn’t exist the UK’s ability to project military force would be worse off and UK businesses would be worse off.
Rich people just love Fascism and here’s an ethno-Fascist nation for some of them, claiming that their ethnicity makes them superior to everybody else, so of course they’ll tend to support them.
It’s not at all surprising that the moneyed elites amongst the Jewish People would side with a regime that says they’re inherently superior, same as the German elites sided with the Nazis. I mean, back in early Nazi times even the British moneyed elites were very drawn to Nazism and its ideas of racial superiority (there’s even a photo of young princess Elizabeth being taught by her uncle - the then King - how to do a Nazi salute) up until the point Germany actually invaded Poland.
You see the very wealthy supporting supremacists of their ethnicity all throughout History, no “conspiracy” necessary.
Historically, quite independently of ethnicity you’ll find it’s the well educated middle classes that most resist the pull of chauvinism, and that seems to be exactly what we’re seeing amongst the Jewish People now that the self-proclaimed representative of them all as full revealed itself as a Genocidal project.
I didnt say there was a shadow banking industry, in fact I said the opposite.
Completely missed my point.
With the way the leader of Israel was killing journalists. It really did make the Jews control the media conspiracy, actually true, pretty funny if you think about it. But yes, that statement did have the airs of racism
Then better stop the genocide before antisemitism gets normalized. It will increase the longer this continues.
How does banking factor into the genocide in gaza, or did you just reach for whatever jewish stereotype came to mind first?
It’s extremely easy to criticize Israel without being anti-Semitic and yet you failed spectacularly and have shown zero self reflection after getting correctly called out on it. Pathetic.
What streotype did he use?
Oh, I’m not criticizing Israel. That’s a done conclusion. I’m questioning why politicians in other countries go along with this. As far as I can see, and that’s clearly shown, there’s very good lobbying, information campaigns and lots of money. Even the Eurovision contest was full of money and influencing. I’m assuming influence alone can’t do this, certainly not after protests. That leaves money. Who has a lot of money, meaning trillions, and reason to use it as leverage? Certain banks. Of course that’s forbidden to say, but that omerta thing going on is now part of the stereotype.