- cross-posted to:
- fedimemes@feddit.uk
- cross-posted to:
- fedimemes@feddit.uk
Crossposted from https://slrpnk.net/post/36065731
Attribution is not advertising. Cite the artist. (Cropping out citations is just extra work anyway.)
Image found here:
https://joinfediverse.wiki/Lemmy/en
I’ve already blocked the loser in question.
If for some reason they can’t or won’t be banned, I just recommend the rest of you block them too.
Let them post their credit-stripped memes to an audience of no one.
Oh yeah, I blocked him weeks (months?) ago. I had no idea he’s still being a turd, lol
It’s actually kind of funny how much of an asshole that guy is.
Unfortunately they still ended up with many posts with positive upvote counts, so I think they would still have a plentiful audience of people who see the comic, upvote, and move on without realizing attribution had been stripped out
Maybe Beep should just be banned from the community. Tho the comm needs an active mod. Lawrence has not been online for at least a month.
no, if you ban him you take away our class clown/drama lightning rod.
Is the community even moderated? There’s only one mod listed and they haven’t made a post for a month. Despite the community seeming to need some input from them.
We’d need a system in place to facilitate community takeovers when a mod has long been inactive. I don’t mean the current mod should be removed, just that another mod should be added in cases like this just to be more clear.
.World already has a way to do that.
You just reach out to the admins. They’re pretty chill about it.
That’s good to hear :) Not personally willing, it’s a different league running a popular comics forum prone to heated comment chains vs low traffic hobby forums. I just trying to get the idea out there and maybe encourage someone with thicker skin to step up.
I’d step up to do it myself but reports don’t federate to other instances and this is a way larger, more active community than what I already mod for.
just to be clear, we are talking about attributions to real human people, right? not attributions to faceless companies?
Correct. See my comment here explaining.
Here’s the context for OP’s inspiration.
What’s the temperature on posts that didn’t have the citation wherever the poster found it? Would the etiquette here be to link to that reddit post, or simply not post any content that lacks artist attribution?
I’m thinking specifically the other day something was posted where the only source another user could find was it’s previous reddit post with the citation already cropped out. I checked myself and had the same result.
the etiquette is to find the original yourself, it’s usually not that hard, just reverse image search it, or not post it. why would you feel so obligated to share a comic with no author that someone else made?
it’s easy to be a shitty person without intending to. that’s why we need to police our own actions and be conscious of the effect we have on others. when sharing the already stolen art we are perpetuating a problematic cycle. just because you didn’t start it and many others are doing it, that doesn’t make it less wrong.
sharing someone else’s dumb joke is one of the lowest forms of interaction anyway. i have numerous friends that have devolved into that being the only way they communicate with others. i mostly just don’t talk to them anymore. i really don’t care about the reels they send me. no one should ever feel like they have some kind of right to post someone else’s art.
i also generally hate the anti self promotion rules so many subteddits have. the ones that don’t are objectively better that the ones that do. what would you rather see? one more shared content mill whith the same 50 posts over and over and exclusivity stolen art. or something like r/comics with like 10 artists that all use it as a common platform to share their work.
you may find the content that is currently popular there questionably horny, but that’s more of a reddit demographic problem than an issue with letting artists self promote. in just arguing that i prefer a platform like that where you interact with the artists and new authors pop up and disappear regularly. you also get unique interactions like the artists quickly throwing together a comment reply as a bonus panel.
my point is that this place could be a better community than so much of reddit if we use it as a history book and learn from its victories and mistakes. it starts with policing ourselves and each other towards these goals. not reposting unatributed slop is one of those things we should not be doing if we want a good community.
Pertains to this thread aimed at certain users posting webcomics after cropping or stripping out the artists signatures / credit from the post. The thread had 1,262 upvotes, so it’s gotten a fair amount of attention and seems to be important in the view of many users based on the comments, as upvotes don’t necessarily equate to approval.
One such offender of this behavior responded with this post calling attribution “advertisement”.
There was also another post mentioning the same issue by another user with 299 upvotes.
There seems to be confusion regarding attribution and signatures with advertising watermarks, whether intentional or not.
Attribution as in signatures, are put there in the same way any classical artist might sign a painting. They put their effort into making something that’s important to them, they deserve the credit for their creation. Typically as well, the signatures are unobtrusive as most artists don’t want to detract from their work. They deserve to be left on the post. Even better is if you link to the artists website where the post can be found, or at least to their social media post where you saw it since they get no clicks out of a rehosted image.



Advertising watermarks added by a platform simply because you rehosted an image on its servers and shared it from there serve no purpose and detract from the image. Same thing with social media users adding their handle to an image they didn’t create. These absolutely should be stripped or cropped out if the original unmarked image can’t be found, in my opinion. Additionally providing a link back to sites like Reddit where you saw a post or meme, unless the artist shared it there, is unnecessary, especially when it comes to shitty sites like x or Reddit. You don’t need to give credit to some random account that just shared a meme.



Ah thank you for the context. As someone that only occasionally sees a comic post and doesn’t visit the community specifically, I hadn’t noticed the uproar. I appreciate the effort in your explanation.
Hopefully the mod returns and makes the needed changes. Maybe appoints another mod or two.
If attribution can be given by linking to the original artist or otherwise annotating that the post did not have attribution and none could be found, that might be acceptable.
But this post is in reference to a prolific poster who is deliberately removing attibution they think is “ads” which includes the artists signatures, watermarks, and social media attributions. That user has been deliberately removing said attributions recently because they “want ad free art”.
I wasn’t aware of that context, I haven’t seen whatever post where that was said. Obviously that’s the take of an imbecile, signing one’s own art far predates anything akin to modern advertising.
Imagine cropping Michelangelo’s signature haha. Whomever that was is a buffoon.
Yeah. I figured you weren’t aware (same for a lot of people who downvoted the original comment).
Op is not consistent about cropping signatures or removing credits. A lot of their older posts didn’t have credits removed.
I’d like to think there’s a possibility that their post was a joke for April Fools but posts before April 1st and after it kind of refute that. They also continue to double down or feign ignorance like I’ve seen on other posts to avoid being called out or to try to shout down people who call them out for their own behavior. Both their post and comment history are telling.
You figured correctly. In fact I just looked and while I had seen the ‘motion’ post, I just gave it a vote and went on my merry way. Didn’t notice there was an upheaval going on.
I skimmed through a fair amount of the offender’s comments, and I could sort of see someone making a mistake and lashing out in refusal to admit they messed up, but as you say, the doubling down makes it seem they actually believe it.
The community mod sure is in for a surprise when they return. Hopefully it gets sorted out quickly.
Thank you for the additional detail.
That’s probably what should happen.
At the very least, an attempt must be made. If it is not possible to find proper attribution, then a mod should decide if it stays up on a case by case basis.
Posting content stripped of attribution in the first place should be frowned upon in general. On the other hand, someone who sees the post may be able to help find attribution.
What about the artist of the pants webcomic that doesn’t put his credit in all his work?
If the artist puts their signature leave it, it was meant to be there just like anyone who signs traditional art. If they didn’t sign it, that’s ok because that’s how they wanted their work to be.
In either case it is always good to link back to the artist/author’s website where the comic can be found, or social media post in some cases. Not only does it help by driving traffic to that artist/author, but also sometimes they include bonus panels, or alt-text that gets missed when posted here.
Good to know thanks
Well, this is odd. This is the first-ever post (here or anywhere else on the FV) in which I can see the post and thread, but the comments are invisible to me. Meanwhile, they are indeed visible if I view without a cookie (private window).
I don’t know of any blocks or settings I’ve made that would cause this… 😕
EDIT: I’m most likely wrong in that. A block I’d set up for a different purpose is probably causing this.There have been some issues with piefed not federating comments. The piefed devs says the issue is fixed but I’ve still been noticing issues with my piefed account, so I’m just back to using my older lemmy account. I’d post to the piefed meta about the issue so the devs can take a crack at fixing it
Edit: but also this thread only has two comments that Incan see, yours, mine and another one. This was crossposted to the fedimemes community too. Maybe just confirm you are looking at the same thread before proceeding
Confirmed. What really set me off is that the comment counter I see currently sits at 25, but checking now, those are ‘imported’ comments seemingly coming from “Fediverse memes@feddit.uk.”
Going through my blocked /c list, that particular one doesn’t seem to be blocked, but I do have a lot of meme communities indeed blocked. I think then, that’s likely what happened. I got tripped up by thinking in the ‘block post’ mindset, unintendingly blocking comments I otherwise wanted to see.
Okay, I think mystery solved. Thanks for your feedback on that!
I’m confused. Was the community blocked? How many comments do you see now?
The community was (very likely) blocked that produced a bunch of the tallied comments here, that’s all. Blocked in my personal settings.
So now the comment counter sits at 37, and I can see many more of them that were later produced in this version of the thread, but still not from Fediverse memes@feddit.uk. I think what caused that is that the post probably originated there, then was cross-posted here. But PieFed (and maybe Lemmy) evidently has a feature which pulls in comments from places where a single thread was cross-posted, leading to the root of this issue.
Make sense?
That makes more sense yeah. Glad you figured it out
Lemmy has been a cesspool of uncited posts since its inception, what makes you think it’s gonna change now just cuz some clown keeps snipping off artist/creator names on memes and comics.
I go to a channel for anime art and I open a post and the “source” is fucking Xcancel or Danbooru, an image board, both of which have fuck-all to do with* actually supporting* the artist. Thankfully, I know how to navigate that site to find the actual source, or at the very least the artist’s socials. But the average user likely doesn’t.
I do hope that changes, but it’s kinda too late in the game to start calling it out, when most of the stuff on Lemmy is already uncredited.
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