That’s why they’re fuckin doing it.
I hate short replies that don’t add much (so added more than agreed!) but I’ve always enjoyed being anonymous in forums, I’m quite a shy person.
Never was a jerk intentionally or anything just said my bit. But everyone possibly knowing who I was I’d probably say nothing ever. Fuck it I was private before I can be private later. But I’m old and recall before Internet when I had no (or little) interaction.
Like we all haven’t seen data breeches over the years…oh it’s the government that holds the master authentication? Fuck that shit is all. Nothing, from a person who does programming these days, like that is remotely better.
Some countries may be better but we’re all democratic right? Takes a single election till shit stops working as a safeguard, then new ones in make a different law. The whole system was not built for current tech.
Never forget who is behind this https://youtu.be/Yd7j_u-wPoM
I am old enough to remember when the internet was run by hobbyists and enthusiasts, companies were happy to pay “to be online” it wasn’t riddled with ads and profits wasn’t the default reason to create content.
Thems were heady days
You’re kidding yourself if you think companies being online was ever about anything other than potential profit. At first it was just a way to reach a wider pool of customers. Like the yellow pages before. Then, once every company had an online presence, they started looking for new ways to monetize the connectivity.
CEO of Honeypot declares water is wet
something something broken clock and proton. lol
For once Yen and I see eye to eye.
given it’s just because it will hurt his business, but i’m still happy for some W
What is being pushed for implementation is better described as identity verification, not age verification.
I would have little issue with a solution that purely gated services on age in a secure and privacy respecting manner. This OS level garbage is not that, its creating an oligarchy run identity gate to control access to personal computing.
Thank you. Now I just wish somebody at the government level would understand this and the implications of what this entails. Like maybe mention that all their weird online fetishes could be tracked back to them. It’s like this one company doing the “verification “ would be rolling in kompromat.
it’s all by design. they don’t want the general public to put it together that these are identify tracking surveillance system, just a carefree age verification to keep kids away from the baddies 🙄
It’s never about the kids
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Agreed. The model is a good start, the security of it’s implementation woefully inadequate… And I agree this MUST use post quantum cryptography.
Dox-gating (yes I just made that up lol) operating systems will result in people not updating security patches.
I like that word. I may use it later.
i guess a broken clock can be right. lol
This is an easy fix. We just make our own internet. With the usual, blackjack and hookers.
But does it have blackjack and hookers?
I’ll stop interacting online outside of a professional context. So this obviously sucks from an online perspective. It’s will dampen online organization. But hopefully it increases community level interactions IRL. It’ll probably be good for day-to-day mental health.
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That’s the plan. It’s about control.
I’m glad someone else sees it. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills every day lately. People don’t give a single shit, will minimize the danger and do anything they can to give up their rights, time and time again.
A few of us see it, sadly too few to matter.
People in the privacy communities have known this for a while.
But because it’s slightly technical at minimum, and nuanced, and about something not immediately tied directly to people’s financial interest, the average person will never ever know, understand, or care about this.
Whats wrong with you?! Why aren’t you thinking of the children??!
already been accused/harassed on here of being pro-pedo for not being pro age-verification.
it’s always the yahoo idiot opinions that gain political traction, and rarely the common sense ones.
already been accused/harassed on here of being pro-pedo for not being pro age-verification.
it sounds like you should switch instances to one where this opinion (fact) is shared by most.
that’s not how it works. most of my harassment comes from .ml and far left instances. .ml users are especially aggressive and ignorant and eager to call you names. basically pro-authoritarian leftists.
i’m on .world. it’s the most moderate instance in my experience. db0 and blahj are also instances from which i get a lot of harassment.
sadly lemmy doesn’t let you block instances, only users or communities. so my user block list is like 500+ now.
Are you kidding? Instance blocking is almost necessary for surviving on Lemmy. Use a different client. Jesus bro, ya gotta block.
lemmy is a client. piefed is the only one i know that lets you block all users from an instance.
why lie about a group that is strongly anti-age-verification attacking you for being anti-age-verification and off endorsements from another group that is strongly pro-age-verification supporting you for your anti-age-verification opinions?
lemmy.ml isn’t a unified group. it’s individual people who think all sorts of crazy shit, that is often downright contradictory.
the only stance your instance takes is being pro marixist leninist. that has nothing to do with age-verification. if anything it’s pro-authoritarian bent would most likely have it align with mechanisms mass state control of individuals .
The good times are gone, fascism is back.
The US has always been an electoral oligarchy. It paints itself as a democratic republic to claim that it has consent of the people it governs, but the governed are given no real choices. Would you like to take a right hook or a left hook? Sorry, not getting hit wasn’t an option.
We need to start demanding our cities and states use a ranked sortition approach. Put a lottery option on a ranked voting ballot and make politicians beat the lottery if they want to claim they’re a legitimate ruling class.
But it’s in a new wrapper. Now it says “Good for humanity” on the label, still the same shit tho…
They’ve always done it “for the children”. Same wrapper.
So if you don’t accept this “age verification patch” to your OS (and you know they won’t stop with that), I assume that any attempt to connect to a website that does this check will fail and you won’t be able to connect to it, right?
Well, I am just FINE with that. If I can’t connect to a website, I will treat it like any other broken website and move on to another one. This is how the Internet routes around damage.
Totally valid idea, you just need to hope that there are enough people with you to give that decision weight or you’ll eventually run out of alternatives.
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…and extend the ability of governments and especially corporations to control what you see and hear. From ads to what “facts” they want you to see.
Lawmakers who are pushing age verification: “Win - win”
if they want to censor and monitor the internet, its time to start building on a new one that’s private and encrypted by default: https://reticulum.network/
I agree with the notion, but I’m mildly concerned with the fragmentation of solutions. We already have I2P, Yggdrasil Network, Gemini Network, the cjdns ecosystem, just to name a few. You can just run nodes on all of them at once, but that restricts accessibility to those who have the raw compute (and bandwidth) necessary, which isn’t exactly conducive to what I’d consider a truly “open” internet, especially in the third world.
I think fragmentation is great. Shows there’s varied interest in the space and allows them to evolve. Let the best one stand the test of time!
A quick overview of the difference in the tech stacks:
Network Can run without IP? Can run without ISP? Primary Physical Medium Reticulum Yes (Identity-based) Yes Radio (LoRa/HF), Serial, Wi-Fi Mesh, Ethernet Yggdrasil No (Uses crypto IP) Yes Wi-Fi Mesh, Ethernet cjdns No (Uses crypto IP) Yes Wi-Fi Mesh, Ethernet I2P No (Overlay) Mostly No Existing Internet (TCP/UDP) Gemini No (Application) No Existing Internet (TCP) Isn’t reticulum supposed to be really bad as traffic increases?
I LOVE reticulum, the idea anyway. I2P is a great idea too. I run an I2P node just to contribute.
I started up reticulum on my Linux box, added sideband to my Android, setup an rnode. it was marginal. Text chat worked 90% of the time, I got a single image to come through, then never again. Something about it was either broken, or something I was doing was incompatible, but there weren’t enough logs for me to figure it out.
I’m down with the while second internet over encryption, but none of them are straight forward enough I could get anyone outside of my extreme tech circle to consider it.
Either that or don’t play by their rules. If I refuse this patch and I can’t connect to a website because of this check, I’ll will just treat that wesite like any other broken website and move on to another one
This is interesting, I think people should be aware of and check out i2p as well. I actually don’t use it (because there’s not that much of a community yet 😭) but I run a i2p router to support the network, that bitch does ~15TB a month in bandwidth. I think the main use of the network is torrenting currently.
But with governments and tech companies getting so oppressive hopefully i2p and other similar systems can flourish into the new free net.
Same, but with Yggdrasil. We need to keep these encrypted layer networks going and spread them through the fediverse to gain popularity. 1000% SCREW Better OR Worse. Mirror your site to all of them!
You can run XMPP on yggdrasil and i2p, torrents, host all manner of things, it’s quite impressive.
I didn’t read the whole doc. How would this prevent kill switch network if the government can just tell internet service providers to shutdown the network?
Reticulum is a backbone mesh. It speaks on all communication interfaces. Bluetooth, Wifi, LoRa, Serial.
Conceptually, if you can see your neighbors wifi, you could mesh. Suburbs could be pretty well connected. I doubt it’ll scale past a small suburb, though. If someone has a high tower, you could LoRa line of sight to anywhere. The upside is, if you have a faster connection that LoRa, it can use it. If you just have LoRa, you can chat or maybe send small images or low quality voice chat.
Well in theory it can communicate over other networks. Like radio
Because reticulum don’t use providers to reach other like on internet. It is working fine if there are enoug individuals nodes.
Edit : auto completion carnage.
Can you rephrase that? I’m not sure what “you nice it is used well enough” is supposed to mean.
My bad, auto completion and not rereading me did that.
