• Silver Needle@lemmy.ca
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    5 天前

    Maybe everyone should be barred from owning a business. Like, let’s end the present state of things. Just don’t make it dependent on cultural/racial categories lol

    Also this comic doesn’t prescribe a stance on Chanel’s beliefs. That’s funny.

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      The comic does, you’re only missing the very clear subtext here because you don’t have the context for the joke.

      As a fashion designer, Coco Chanel’s perspective on accessorizing is, to paraphrase, “look at yourself in the mirror before you go out and pick an accessory to take off and leave at home.”

      The fact that they’re being encouraged to disregard a Nazi fashionista’s signature accessory advice and to be “extra” instead is a very clear rejection of Chanel’s beliefs.

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      Also this comic doesn’t prescribe a stance on Chanel’s beliefs. That’s funny.

      Do you honestly need the comic to explicitly spell out their stance and/or hold your hand through reading between the lines to figure it out yourself? I think this is more of a reading comprehension problem rather than a failure on the artist’s part, no offense.

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            The quote being discussed is not the one in the comic. It’s that she Chanel said to take off the last accessory you put on before you go out, basically saying people out too many on. It’s still obvious it’s against Nazis, in my opinion, but knowing this tells you that they’re ignoring her advice because she was wrong about plenty of other things, why should we assume she’s right about this?

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              You can still infer that the Nazi said something similar by looking at their expressions, the way they phrase things, and what they are surprised by.

              The blonde is not surprised that the Nazi is quoted as an authority on fashion, but is surprised by the Nazi being a Nazi. The blue-haired person treats the Nazi quote as sufficient evidence to assuage the blonde’s doubts.

              If anything, you’re interpreting this too narrowly. The blonde isn’t anxious about the Nazi’s opinion, but about the people that will see them at dinner. The comic suggests not just that the Nazi can be disregarded as a Nazi, but that the public perception of fashion is poisoned by Nazi standards and deserves to be defied.

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              Well it certainly adds dimension to the joke, but I wouldn’t say it wholly encompasses it.

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            The same joke with Hugo Boss would amount to “Nazi bad”, which is true but not terribly funny.

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              I wasn’t talking about it not being Coco Chanel, but not knowing her. I didn’t knew her and found it funny because I assumed she was an important person in fashion.

              It the joke was made with someone unrelated to fashion it would be worse.

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                Hugo Boss was a fashion icon and a literal nazi, but the joke wouldn’t work with him either. It works because it’s a bait and switch: when the girl asks “you know what Coco Chanel said…”, you’re expecting the famous “Before you leave the house, look at yourself in the mirror and take one thing off.”

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        I think this is more of a reading comprehension problem rather than a failure on the artist’s part, no offense

        It’s not. If I was a Nazi, I could post this comic with glee.

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            If you think that anyone who is “more” than just a conservative is stupid or at the very least badly read, then boy do I have news for you. You are underestimating how many ultra strategical 4-D chess players exist within the reactionary political scene. You are one Matrix room away from meeting them. I know this because I’ve made such acquaintances (unfortunately). You are underestimating the mental calculus needed for re-implementing systems of forced labour and expansionist militarism. I personally doubt that 99.5% percent of people could take on someone like Stephen Miller on the level of rhetoric and planning.

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              What exactly is your point, here? Are you suggesting a comic about gay women and jewelry is by a Nazi? What are you getting at?

              And btw, ‘collaborator’ in this context is usually a negative connotation unless she’s talking about a Nazi fashion project.

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                What exactly is your point, here? Are you suggesting a comic about gay women and jewelry is by a Nazi? What are you getting at?

                None, You suggest I ought to positively have one, but I can just say whatever I want. I never said that it was by a Nazi, I was if anything hinting at its ambiguity.

                And btw, ‘collaborator’ in this context is usually a negative connotation unless she’s talking about a Nazi fashion project.

                That woman wasn’t just a collaborator. She was deep in the shit. Also what do you mean by negative, the comic is just stating a plain fact. You make it negative, a Nazi would make it positive.

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                  Someone ”being a collaborator" is a negative phrase, just like being Infamous is being famous for bad things. No one calls someone a collaborator positively. “In collaboration,” or “we collaborated” are innocent. “A collaborator,” usually an accusation of being complicit in a crime.

            • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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              “You can tell how smart someone is by how they play this board game”

              Of course you think that, you’re twelve

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      The comic flippantly disregards Chanel’s advice re: accessories based on the premise that because she was a Nazi collaborator her opinions, and those influenced by them, can and should be ignored.

      If that is too nuanced for you to be able to determine a stance then there’s no hope for you.

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        i mean, i only kind of like fashion (i just like halloween a little bit a lot too much and also putting outfits together and thrift shopping and going to the discount rack maybe okay) and i’ve been an art model (not a fashion model except the one time because i’m a teensy bit deformed even though i’m gorgeous), a few of my relatives either are or have been fashion models. also art models. so yeah i’m just now realizing there’s charcoals of my bait and tackle and numerous buttholes out there somewhere that’s fun. i hope they put them someplace classy, like over the toilet. i just don’t know why i didn’t bother to keep one for myself. probably the numerous buttholes part. uh i think i might have forgotten one of these thank you damn cat ) anyways my point is this is the first time i heard of Chanel’s accessory advice. Now i gotta get me some summer scarves and go all extra thank you for the inspiration my wife will… actually probably kind of like it.

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        based on the premise that because she was a Nazi collaborator her opinions, and those influenced by them, can and should be ignored

        Mao said that I should shit when I need to. Should I now hold my shit in because Mao made crazed mistakes or was emblematic of a movement that was not exactly comfortable to those in the states and most of europe? What a stupid fucking line of reasoning.

        If that is too nuanced for you to be able to determine a stance then there’s no hope for you.

        Regard the reply to your first paragraph. I made it even more “nuanced”, bullshit appeal anyway.

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          Whether or not you agree with it has nothing to do with the fact that the author’s position is pretty clear.

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            I never said that I agreed or disagreed. How you read any disagreement or agreement into my statement is beyond me and whether or not I agree is not at all a relevant point that needs to be brought up. The author’s position is “pretty clear” because the comic is posted in liberal spaces where virtually everyone dislikes Hitler. Social context makes it obvious, but it’s not at all strictly obvious from the logic of the joke and hinges mostly on how “you look great” is interpreted. I point that out and people lose their shit because they interpret messages anywhich way they feel is comfortable and when they’re not able to categorise a statement, potentially because it is rather neutral but contains structured statements in regards to the content of the post, it just makes it seem hostile to them when it’s not in its content.