And “install” is literally optional
Using Windows for me is a cumulation of annoying little things that becomes too big to ignore. Another thing you can add on that list is fiddling with keyboard layouts if you don’t use the default US one. And be sure to delete them all except the one you want to use, even the sub layouts, because accidentally hitting a key combo could switch it back to the default US one.
It’s a specific pet peeve that I have against Windows. I’ve had so many calls (I do tech support) from people that had their computer suddenly not making the characters they wanted, sometimes only in specific programs, just to discover that they reverted to the default layout by hitting Win + spacebar at some point.
I have no issues doing an offline install of windows 11. Just like running linux at some point you will want to connect to the Internet for proper updates, but it’s entirely possible and not near as hard as this is pretending.
I recently had to install Windows 11 from a USB for a friend building a PC. The last time I did that was Windows 7, and oh boy, has that process been enshittified to hell since then.
Honestly, I think I will refuse to install Windows when helping with future PC builds, just because it was such a pain-in-the-ass. The amount of adware you had to actively refuse, through a maze of dark-pattern designs was borderline dystopian.
I just wish I could run Linux without CLI
And here I am at work with windows and running just things out of command prompt and powershell because it’s much faster and more efficient.
I’ve never had an issue clicking “domain join instead” and creating a local account
True, but from my distro-hopping I learned there are quite a few Linux distros that throw tantrums when you try to install w/o wifi, and some ISOs that flat out don’t allow it. I’m not technically sharp enough to find the link, but this and most of my other problems with Linux went away when I stopped using distros built with systemd.
CachyOS is fast, sure. But have you tried Void? MX? Artix? PCLinuxOS? All very fast, and way fewer tantrums/stability issues. Systemd acts like a bureaucrat that checked out long ago, but keeps the job because of the benefits and does it as spitefully as possible. It’s about what I’d expect from a corp like Red Hat, and one day it’ll ask for your government ID to install.
The Linux community should get serious about systemd and how it talks to newcomers about it. It’s annoying now, and it’ll be a liability later.
You can install them all without WiFi easily by plugging in an ethernet cable. Easy.
I meant to say internet. Tysm for correcting me. I’m truly grateful and humbly request that you take an unchaperoned bath with my teenage daughters.
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then quit using it. take off your leash.
I mean you don’t even have to install, just boot the iso and click try now
Shift + f10 for cmd. Then do “start ms-cxh:localonly” and hit enter. Enjoy local user profile without internet.
start ms-cxh:localonly or one of those rufus unattended things are the only ways i could ever set up Windows anymore, their stock config is some bullshit
mfs will learn powershell to debloat windows 11 and wade through regedit but the intuitive linux terminal is STILL too goddamn scary
intuitive linux terminal
Which one is that? Powershell is way more intuitive than bash and I like bash.
bash is more intuive than pwsh imo.
See my other response on this thread for my reasoning. If you still disagree I’d love some guidance on how to use bash more intuitively.
Is it? I find them both equally unintuitive tbh. You really just have to memorize the commands you frequently use, or keep looking them up.
Powershells commands are “Verb-Noun” and it makes it easy to search for the command you need. For example Get-Help Get-* will give you a list of all the “Get” commands and a brief description of what they do. Get-Verb will list the approved verbs so you know what verbs to search for. All within the shell. If there’s anything like that in bash I haven’t found it. I always have to search the web to figure out what I’m trying to do with it. Which can be annoying if I’m working directly on a headless system. Powershell also has aliases built in for bash and cmd commands so you can use those if you’re familiar with them. I hate Microsoft but it’s one thing I have to give hand to them.
That’s not to say bash is bad. It’s great. It’s just not nearly as intuitive.
In bash if you type the verb, then hit tab it will list the possible options, right? Is that not the same kind of thing?
Tab completion isn’t really what I’m talking about here. Powershell’s intuitiveness comes from the ease of finding the command you need. For instance if you type “copy” into bash and hit tab you’re not going to get anything. That’s because the command for copying a file in bash is “cp”. Now, how do you find that out using only the shell? You can use apropos, but who’s going to be able to figure that out without a web search? I had to try several variations of “find commands in bash” just now to get Google to mention it. Most things in bash are like this, there’s no real naming convention and most of the time the names are pretty meaningless by themselves. It’s a big barrier for people who are new to it or only use it sporadically.
Conversely, typing “copy” into powershell and hitting tab you will get a number of options which shouldn’t take much for a beginner to locate copy-item from there or you can find it via the previous methods I mentioned.
I genuinely think you may just be more familiar with PS. I use “Get-Printer” all the time, but it’s not like I was able to discover that command or syntax without web searches. Same with “cp” in bash. I had to learn it and use it, but I’m never going to forget it now. Something that seems inconsistent/unintuitive to me in PS, is some commands specify an object with:
-Name ="the name"Other times it’s like:
Name "the name"I keep a notebook handy for things that I use as frequently as several times a week.
Searching commands online is a perfectly valid way to find things, especially if you don’t know how to discover them within the shell. My point is that powershell is fantastic for that and bash is not. Years ago, I read maybe 1/3 of a powershell book and it was enough to set me off and figure most things out on my own from there. It’s rare I have to go online to find something. I’ve read/watched quite of bit of bash content over the years and I can’t say the same. I still struggle with it or have to go back and check my notes all the time. I am more familiar with powershell but I’ve been using bash quite a bit longer. For me that highlights what I’m talking about here in terms of intuitiveness.
As for the inconsistency issue, I’m sure there are inconsistencies in either shell but I’d need more information to explain this one, the only time I can recall something like what you’re referring to would be commands where -Name is a parameter, vs something like a -Filter parameter where you entering name as what you’re filtering for but that would need more than -Filter Name “name” to work(I think). For the most part I find powershell to be very consistent once you understand what’s going on. Bash as well, but it’s harder to get to the “understand what’s going on” stage.
Powershell is just json with jq abilities
But it is intuitive. There’s no arguing that.
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My main gripe is the clicking.
Clicking clicking clicking.
I’ve got keybord navigation down to an art-
But sometimes you have to click.
You have to move your hand from your… Keyboard, let’s say, and switching to mouse, and that split second matters because it throws everything out of rhythm, causing friction where none is needed.
Clicking, clicking, clicking.
That’s my main gripe.
The clicking.
I am Anna, and this is my testimony.
Commit your testimony to an archive.
You could even name it… Anna’s archive.I’m not a comic book villain. Do you seriously think I’d explain my masterstroke to you if there were even the slightest possibility you could affect the outcome? I registered that domain 35 minutes ago.
RUFUS will build you a Windows installer that automatically bypasses the Microsoft Account requirement.
It also lets you bypass TPM 2.0 and lets you remove a lot of bloatware so it doesn’t even get installed in the first place.
The lower half of this meme is getting old to the point of being a bad joke. No-one does this except normies and people who buy pre-built systems that come with Windows already installed.
The point isn’t that an easy option for the bypass exists, but that a bypass is required at all. It shouldn’t be.
A clean install will need a USB installer anyhow. So build it with RUFUS and enjoy the lack of a manual bypass.
So… Every business ever, then?
The other one I’ve noticed is that they’ve stopped shipping necessary drivers with the install iso now, so if you do make the decision to install fresh, enjoy using the nipple on your Lenovo laptop because the trackpad and network driver didn’t come with the iso.
I’m so unbelievably tired of being a windows admin
Source: I did the windows install song and dance this morning
So tired of keeping like 10 different ethernet dongles, 5 of one model and 5 of another, because half of the new laptops can’t even connect to the internet with the windows install ISO due to lack of drivers.
Sometimes one of those 2 models will also refuse to work with the windows ISO, so ig fuck you if you’re trying to install windows on more than 5 computers at the same time.
Oh and of course you still need to do the bypass even if you don’t have drivers for the network card. Ig also fuck you too if you don’t know about it, because you’re never gonna install windows on that laptop.
So tired of keeping like 10 different ethernet dongles, 5 of one model and 5 of another, because half of the new laptops can’t even connect to the internet with the windows install ISO due to lack of drivers.
Welcome back to the Win95/98/SE/XP era. Where everything old is new again.
Actually insane how far we’ve regressed in Windows land
It really feels like Ubuntu in 2008 whereas current Ubuntu or any other Linux Distro is infinitely easier to deal with nowadays.
MS has just fumbled the ball at every turn.
MS has just fumbled the ball at every turn.
It has been intentional. They know what they are doing.
No-one does this except normies and people who buy pre-built systems that come with Windows already installed.
So the majority does this, then?
Still true that bypassing TPM means major upgrades are disabled and requires manual install by iso?
