• starman2112@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    9·
    19 hours ago

    What do I do?

    Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

    If there’s a hell, there’s a special place in it for “Christians” who fervently oppose the literal words of their deity

  • anugeshtu@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    20 hours ago

    Ask Jesus if he’s also a legal good citizen American fighting for the true American kingdom

  • oortjunk@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    22·
    1 day ago

    This is why I laugh loudly and from the belly when the old “atheists have no spiritual guide to frame morality” chestnut rears its head in any conversation.

  • neuroneiro@lemmy.worldEnglish
    64·
    21 hours ago

    I almost got into a fight with a Christian the other day. He’d insulted a woman for no reason & I called him on it.

    He then followed me around the store. When I loudly told him to get the fuck away from me he said he wouldn’t. I ended up asking him to step outside.

    While I would have gladly beat the shit out of him, the problems it would bring just aren’t worth it, especially not because of this douche.

    I could tell he was expecting a fight so when we were nearing the door I told him to come around the corner & talk.

    You know how you can tell when really dumb, obviously lonely, bigots start shaking when the adrenaline hits? It was clear he was ready to explode so when I started to talk in a calm voice he seemed super confused.

    I told him that it was a dick move to insult the woman. He responded brilliantly with “Well at least I don’t use the F WORD!” as if language pegs people as sinners. I explained, calmly, that using that language is part of my commitment to authenticity & that the way I used it, saying get the fuck away from me, was not considered fighting words. Thinking on it, that’s probably the opposite of fighting words.

    My minor in Religious Studies came in handy &, this might piss some of you off to learn that I’m now a polytheist. I’ve always been an amateur scientist & was agnostic until about 5 years ago. A few concrete spiritual experiences with several different deities or messengers of different spiritual systems I’ve had led me to understand that, for me, God or a higher power or whatever works for you is the universe, our collective consciousness, & basically everything.

    Most of the experiences were with Egyptian Gods but also Aztec & Finnish Paganism. & actually Christian which was definitely not expected. But the gist is that I have my own personal spiritualism & personal relationships with these messengers & actually know my shit.

    Don’t worry, I’m not going to push it on you. I only suggest you find what works for you & let other people choose their’s.

    So I, of course, asked what Jesus would say about insulting some rando.

    I watched his eyes roll back leaving a tiny crescent of iris, the space between his scraggly eyebrows, with this one weird extra hair that was just begging (BEGGING) to be plucked, crinkle into a search for any remaining crumbling bits of frontal, let alone prefrontal, cortex, & his mouth drop open.

    It was pitiful really.

    Watching this grown-ass man try to figure out what to say that could show he was right & just keep thinking “Nope, not that one. Noooo, that doesn’t work, nuh-uh, damn!” etcetera, etcetera, etcetera was akin to watching the slowing struggles of a duck hit by a car &, despite rushing them to the emergency vet 5 blocks away, they pass right before your eyes.

    Yeah. That sucked.

    So I interrupted the creaking, rusty mechanical gears’ fruitless attempt to conjure up something, anything, by explaining that Jesus told us to love each other with agape, which is basically love for humankind itself & all its members.

    His response made clear that he hadn’t read his scripture. I was nearly dumbstruck when he actually said:

    “WELL, WE’RE ALLOWED TO CORRECT THEM [other people]!!!”

    Nearly.

    I realized he was a Fox News Christian who worships talking tv heads more than he understands the true words & meaning of what he claims is his religion.

    I explained the general meaning of:

    • Matthew 7:3–5 (NIV): “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? … First take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

    Basically, before you shit on someone else, check to see if you’re going to get shit on & maybe take steps to prevent that from happening to you any more rather than impose the same thing on another person.

    It went on. He tried to argue a couple times & was an easy mark. In the end, I think I got slightly through enough to get him to feel kinda confused to learn that Jesus wasn’t an asshole elitist. He was obviously surprised when I held out my hand & thanked him for talking outside. I like to blow their mind that way.

    I do NOT believe a person should subscribe to a religion. Doing so just closes you off to the rest of this incredible world, makes a person subservient, & instills the views & interpretations of the priest or pastor, or whoever leads a congregation.

    But if you, for some terrible reason, decide to do so, do what I told my fifth graders when teaching writing.

    READ THE FREAKIN’ PRIMARY DOCUMENTS!!!

  • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    21 hours ago

    Yes, this person really could use some help understanding Christianity. It might be an interesting eye opener for him.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    44·
    2 days ago

    I’m curious what the replies to him were.

    The scribe quoted “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind” and then, “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

    “You have answered correctly” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

    The scribe then asked “And who is my neighbor?”

    Jesus replied “It is whoever you are hoping I don’t say it is.”

    • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
      13·
      2 days ago

      with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind

      That’s the problem right there.

    • cub Gucci@lemmy.todayEnglish
      239·
      2 days ago

      While I love this humanitarian part about loving everyone, the important part is that who is being excluded here.

      Because obviously maga wants to exclude foreigners, everyone else here wants to either exclude maga folks or religious folks.

      So the question to you, my friend, are you really ready to start loving maga folks or are you trying to set up a standard that even you are unable to reach?

      Or maybe you are even worse – a real scum of the earth trying to expose contradictions in others, and using them as a proof for your moral superiority

      • Senal@programming.devEnglish
        33·
        1 day ago

        Thats an interesting not-quite-straw-man .

        Pointing out that someone isn’t following the teachings they are claiming to follow doesn’t require the accuser to be an adherent to those teachings.

        I could call a self professed vegan a hypocrite if I saw them eating a steak, regardless of whether or not, I myself were a vegan.

        • Krudler@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          1 day ago

          Tu quoque fallacy.

          “You said drinking is bad for people but I saw you drinking the other day”

        • cub Gucci@lemmy.todayEnglish
          122·
          1 day ago

          Oh no no no, you can call everyone a hypocrite today. This doesn’t change things a bit. This leads to a spike in moral superiority in your bubble and that’s it.

          • Senal@programming.devEnglish
            20·
            1 day ago

            If you’re struggling with the distinction between pointing out hypocrisy and a claim of moral superiority then you’re going to spend a lot of time being confused and/or upset.

          • FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.worldEnglish
            8·
            1 day ago

            Has anyone told you that you’re stupid recently?

            Just in case they haven’t, I’m going to take this opportunity, right now, to tell you that you’re stupid

            • oortjunk@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              5·
              1 day ago

              100% Seconded. It’s…odd to have to chime in on something like this but I really agree. Exhibitional stupidity, paraded proudly, like a peacock whose feathers were ill-informed words. Sadly, the internet is referred to as a medium; shitheads like this are neither rare nor well-done.

              • FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.worldEnglish
                52·
                1 day ago

                It’s quite literally impossible to stress how much you don’t matter

                If someone told me tomorrow that you killed yourself because of this interaction, I’d be struggling to recall it, let alone care

                Have a short and lonely life, loser

      • bitjunkie@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        1 day ago

        If you throw the social contract out the window, I’m no longer under any obligation to apply it to you.

      • Tja@programming.devEnglish
        7·
        1 day ago

        Who is excluding maga? I want everyone (including maga) to have Healthcare, education, workers rights, etc. I wouldn’t go as far as “loving” but sure as he’ll not excluding them.

        • cub Gucci@lemmy.todayEnglish
          14·
          1 day ago

          I use “excluding” here in the meaning where you imagine that life without maga would be better. “If only tens of millions of the us American hadn’t voted for the orange turd”-thinking vs “if only the us was white christian”-thinking.

          • Zink@programming.devEnglish
            2·
            19 hours ago

            Excluding people because of their conscious choices and actions is something that basically every human organization and government does on a daily basis.

            Excluding people because of racial/religious labels is something bigots do and it is often illegal for the organizations mentioned above to do it.

        • cub Gucci@lemmy.todayEnglish
          14·
          1 day ago

          Quite the opposite.

          I haven’t been accused of anything. I’m not religious nor maga. I have my own set of contradictions that I’m happy to share with anyone.

      • FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.worldEnglish
        52·
        1 day ago

        How about you do something right now to find out how St Peter would judge you?

        I think it’d make the world a better place

      • kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        9 hours ago

        Shrug, I used “link” instead of “image” and that is how Summit formats it. It looks exactly the same both ways for me so I didn’t know it would break for others.

  • julysfire@lemmy.worldEnglish
    52·
    2 days ago

    Even the old testament has plenty in this. For example:

    Exodus 22:21. “Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt."

    My point being they don’t even know what the book they claim to praise so much even says.

    • jdr@lemmy.mlEnglish
      13·
      1 day ago

      That doesn’t count because I’ve never been to Egypt

      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        51·
        1 day ago

        Tribalism seems to be an inate part of human character.

        Not to say it’s a good thing, just that we all have a tendency at a level which is not rational to find comfort and safety in the similar and familiar whilst distrusting and be uncomfortable with the dissimilar and unfamiliar.

        You see this shit at all levels of human groups, not just “nations” and “races” but even “small town hostility towards strangers”.

        IMHO, NOT being a Racist (genuinelly so, not the performative shit of some people who think they’re not Racist because, say, they support specific races which are a minority where they live because in their social circle that’s what you’re supposed to do and yet at the same time implicitly distrust people from other specific races for which there is no social approval - for example, “supporting Jews” whilst thinking that “Muslims are violent”) is actually an active thing were one has to spot one’s own internal tendency to make prejudicial assumptions based on people’s appearance (both positive and negative assumptions - people’s race neither makes them inherently better nor inherently worse) and stop oneself from making such assumptions or at least from acting on them.

      • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.todayEnglish
        5·
        2 days ago

        They are more concerned if they will become pariahs in their own group. They aren’t really asking what the right thing to do is, they are asking “will this get me in trouble?”

  • melsaskca@lemmy.caEnglish
    9·
    1 day ago

    Well, it’s a simple question. Where do your loyalties lie? Like one of your guitar guys (Johnny Mellencamp) said back in the 1980’s…‘You’ve gotta stand for something or you’ll fall for anything’.

  • Wispy2891@lemmy.worldEnglish
    68·
    2 days ago

    What’s wrong, it’s exactly what the book says:

    11 And Jesus said unto them, “Verily, blessed are the rich, for they have earned their righteousness, but away with the poor, for they are a burden upon the realm. And if a stranger cometh from across the border, seek not to break bread with him, but demand first his papers and cast him out into the wilderness. For I say unto thee: Worship Mammon above all else, for Compassion yieldeth no return on investment.”