If a police officer does something wrong. It does not matter what the evidence shows or what happens. All police everywhere stand firmly together and protect their brethren. We literally have police offers who have undeniably murdered people and yet other police still stand with their class and demand better treatment.
If workers had that level of solidarity things would be so much better. Instead we cheer when someone gets fired who “deserved” it.
The police are used to keep workers in line… That’s why they get it easy.
It’s not solidarity. It’s that rulers and local leaders rely on police enforcement to keep the whole thing going.
My dad was part of the police union as part of the DoC of our city, whenever we would discuss unionization efforts elsewhere he would go all against the idea, and then defend his union status, but then again without hypocrisy my dad probably wouldn’t have much at all, and being almost 70, he’ll never change, just another Fox News MAGA casualty.
You don’t need anything else when you’ve got hypocrisy.
Their role in society is very different from workers. They protect the interests of capitalists. As such, they’re allowed to have solidarity, because it does not affect the ruling class negatively. Not so for the proletariat.
Im sure pretty much all gangs do.
Gang life looks cool, and sounds cool online or in music. In reality isn’t far from it. Members often snitch, cheat, lie, steal, snake. Turns out people… People.
Am I in the right community? How is this an unpopular opinion?
How is it even an opinion??
It’s an Opinion rather than a Fact because:
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It’s impossible to objectively measure solidarity.
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As a result, it’s a subjective opinion whether or not Group A has more vs. less solidarity than Group B.
To your other point, OP wants to circle-jerk for clout and doesn’t care that their post doesn’t fit. Evidently, the vast majority of people are on board with that.
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It helps that they have a stupidly overpowered union.
which technically isnt a true union, just a gang/mafia that browbeats the govt to give what it wants, or they dont enforce any laws.
… What do you think a union is? It’s collective action to get your demands or they don’t get what they want
A union protects labor from power. A police union is power that needs to be protected from. It’s just like if all the corporate bosses started calling themselves unionized… and yeah, they all work together for their own personal interests. But that’s not what a union is.
Yes and No.
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The FOP has tremendous political pull (because Ds and Rs both generally are pro-police, whether at literal or metaphorical gunpoint or not).
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Not every agency has a union, let alone one that’s affiliated with the FOP.
It’s kinda like saying the guy who does your plumbing has a stupidly overpowered union because some plumbers are affiliated with the Teamsters.
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The Police Union is the only union the Right likes.
Unions are quite common in trades and that field is heavily populated by right-leaning people who are very much for those unions.
Which is crazy, since they vote for people who want to dissolve unions.
yup, and theres is a reason why its mostly white people in trades, thats why telling people to get into trades is rarely appropiate when its dominated by these people.
What does that have to do with whether right-leaning people are for or against unions?
thats an unacceptable level of solidarity. Its like people who would hide their insane family member who likes to dismember people.
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I disagree with this take, so take your upvote. I’m all for unions, and I agree that more unions would help improve the world for more people. But if the police unions teach us anything, it’s the dangers of an overly powerful union.
But if the police unions teach us anything, it’s the dangers of an overly powerful union.
Yes and No.
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The FOP has tremendous political pull (because Ds and Rs both generally are pro-police, whether at literal or metaphorical gunpoint or not).
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Not every agency has a union, let alone one that’s affiliated with the FOP.
It’s kinda like saying the guy who does your plumbing has a stupidly overpowered union because some plumbers are affiliated with the Teamsters.
Ok, but there’s plenty of evidence in the news of objectively bad police officers either escaping punishment for crimes or simply moving to a department in a different state. Between the unions and the “brotherhood mentality,” police in the US have become almost untouchable. That’s definitely a Bad Thing, and the union certainly plays a part in that. I never said it was only the union. I was simply replying to the OP.
That’s got little to nothing to do with the power of police unions and everything to do with the power of unions and defense attorneys.
Either an employee should or should not have a defense against an accusation of wrongdoing from their employer.
Either a defendant should or should not have a defense against an accusation of wrongdoing from the state.
If you answer “should not” to both, I would argue you are authoritarian, including if your excuse is, “Well, we should be able to peel back certain legal protections for certain groups I don’t like.”
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The police aren’t working class…
They aren’t “management,” either. If you’re argument is that they’re employed by the municipality, so are teachers. What about their union? I would argue my point still stands.
Police is the strong arm of the bourgeoisie. They are the weapon wielded against the working class. That is why (even though they work for a wage) they can not have class solidarity and should not be considered part of the working class. They are de facto agents of capital and their “unions” are usually used to shield them from being held responsible by the working class instead of class struggle against the bourgeoisie.
Other municipal workers are usually not de facto agents of the bourgeoisie and can therefore be considered part of the working class. Their unions are real unions because they are part of the class struggle.
It’s a product of their inherent selfishness and sociopathy. They don’t care about others, they care about themselves and they want to be protected when they inevitably rape and/or murder someone. Same thing happens in powerful circles in the West (remember Epstein and everyone before him?). This wouldn’t work for society, we actually need people who “love their neighbour as much as they love themselves”… but we’re at a high point for vanity and self-centeredness so it’s gonna take at least a couple hundred years in the West to veer into that direction, probably.
But people who suck at their jobs deserve to get fired, whether they’re cops or not. Keeping them in that job just because they’re “one of us” is irrational.
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You posted this to the wrong community (this is /c/UnpopularOpinion, not /c/PopularOpinion) but I’ll take your bait:
If a police officer does something wrong. It does not matter what the evidence shows or what happens. All police everywhere stand firmly together and protect their brethren.
This is a blatant lie and you know it, otherwise zero cops would ever be arrested.
That said, I agree with the spirit of your post in the sense that laborers typically have little to no solidarity, and police generally have at least a measurable degree of (often feigned) solidarity.
We have a massive, well funded and organized operation working 24/7 to keep us divided. It’s purpose is to remove solidarity and it’s doing a fantastic job at it. I don’t know how to counter it :(
Blatant hyperbole.
