• Paddy@chaos.social
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    9 days ago

    @comfy All this hate because the car lobbyists know that just a few cities moving away from car-centric infrastructure will show Europeans how much more liveable cities can become.
    And to protect their huge profits, they will do everything they can to force people to continue living in overcrowded, dirty, noisy, brutalist hellscapes designed for cars only. And make them pay for it with their taxes, through subsidies and the constant cost of renewing the car infrastructure.

    Go Paris!

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      10 days ago

      Depends, most poor people doesn’t live in city center but at its border. So they use lot cars or rer.

      The rental price is crazy high there.

      They need to divide rent price and create more public transport to connect the outside city to its center. So it’s a very difficult project, so urban planner sketched ideas to decentralize paris from its center.

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        Nah. Only 4% of the trips of people inside Paris are made by car. If people inside Paris can do it, then so can people from outside Paris. Leave your car outside of the city and use the methods of transport that 96% of Parisians use. There is no right to car travel.

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          10 days ago

          My main point was the living cost. I lived in Paris center in 8m2 for 400€. And paid the navigo pass around 70€ or even more.

          If you want to plan an ecological city, you don’t only need to reduce cars but create affordable public transport that connect city border to its center. And the article explain badly the challenge.

          Ecological planification can’t bypass social and economy. I was just arguing that you can’t do an ecological city if you don’t reduce rent in Paris’s center.

          The problem Paris face is its “gentrification”

          The city center is the most expensive one compared to living in rural area with a garden and few basic shop. And everything is less expensive outside Paris.

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            I lived in Paris center in 8m2 for 400€.

            Is this correct? 8 square meters? Was just a bed and a toilet next to it?

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              18 hours ago

              Yes. Toilet were collective. They were located outside my flat and digusting. I cleaned them with 1 liter of bleach. Maybe i exagerate but that was the first time of my life i used so much bleach.

              Here is the plan.

              Left side

              • 1 bed
              • 1 table + 1 chair

              Right side

              • 1 small kitchen
              • 1 shower
              • 1 wardrobe

              Between in the middle of left and right side, a small walking corridor of 45cm. With this, you can calculate the surface : 2meters x 4 meters

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    10 days ago

    Freedom is not “being able to drive anywhere.” Freedom is being able to go anywhere with just your own body without a giant metal cage around it.