• Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pubEnglish
    3·
    45 minutes ago

    I use Mastodon the exact same way I used Facebook and it works out great.

    It’s just posts and updates on my life and projects, and it just works. Sometimes I get feedback, sometimes not.

    Photo of a meal, my cat, projects, car repairs, shit I see around. It works fine.

  • omarthemediocre@lemm.ee
    21·
    54 minutes ago

    Just a question here as I dont know Mastodont that well. But how do you do vertified accounts? Is there some federally elected institution that will vertify user who requires that sort of vertification? Because to me there is huge amount of fake accounts and copycats and it is as hard to check if they are real as it is to check the spam mail that came from a scamy address. I guess institutions don’t want to be on a platform full of copycats and constantly proving they are the official account. Among other things…

  • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
    8·
    4 hours ago

    I don’t understand why govt institutions don’t just band together and use one of their many already running servers and add a mastodon or similar instance, so they won’t ever need to worry about their shit being taken offline

    Like, get all federal agencies and currently serving politicians to post on the govt-run mastodon, instead of bsky or xitter.

  • jjpamsterdam@feddit.org
    121·
    9 hours ago

    In my opinion it’s not bad to have a diverse landscape with different options. I believe the best course of action for many institutions should be to use both of these options simultaneously. Any organisation with a social media, communications or other type of public relations team should be able to set up a crossposter easily enough.

    • wewbull@feddit.ukEnglish
      4·
      4 hours ago

      In my opinion it’s not bad to have a diverse landscape with different options.

      Not with Comms tools. We had this in the 90s with email and the various walled gardens like CompuServe and AOL. You couldn’t talk to your friends if they were on another system.

      Mastodon is SMTP for micro logging. Different servers is fine, but they all need to talk to each other.

      Lemmy is NNTP. It’s just the same thing reinvented 30 years later and lower latency.

    • schubidubiduba@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      4·
      8 hours ago

      But they don’t. Organisations seem to be unable or unwilling to have a presence on multiple sites, or at most they seem to choose either X+BlueSky or X+Mastodon

  • spinnerter 🇺🇦Fetter Tanzbär🇺🇦@social.anoxinon.de
    31·
    8 hours ago

    @Sunshine „Das einzig Vernünftige wird immer erst dann in Erwägung gezogen wenn alle anderen Möglichkeiten ausgeschöpft wurden!" Es wäre ja auch zu Blöde wenn man das Richtige macht solange man noch die Wahl hat zu Spinnen, sich Illusionen hinzugeben, Zeit zu verlieren und Geld zu verbrennen.

  • Lemminary@lemmy.world
    22·
    16 hours ago

    I still don’t understand what inherent appeal Bluesky has. Is it the familiarity? Maybe the delusional belief that corporations are the designated social media providers?

    • Vimana@feddit.uk
      1·
      4 hours ago

      Disclaimer- I’m pretty new here. Just closed my account on blueshit again. Its getting worse and worse in my opinion. Massive echo chamber of US phsycosis- Mirror of X. Havent learned a single thing, entirely humourless. The only reason I keep trying again is for 2 accounts and one has disappeared. Anonymous is the remaining one. Closed mastadon too as i found myself looking at Lemmie first and spending longer lurking and clicking thru to links way, way more. It’s about content really I suppose. Little effort equals little reward but thats people for you I guess. I’m not looking for agreement but knowledge, info, perspective, open-mindedness & entertainment beyond US fluff. I have hope for Lemmie but can see much room for improvement, growth or development

    • GTG3000@programming.dev
      8·
      8 hours ago

      You don’t need to choose a server with bsky, that’s it. It’s just one big blob of everyone where no one really cares what kind of content or how often you post.

      With Mastodon, you need to pick a server, and then there’s funny things like “oh, you haven’t posted for a while, we’re blocking your account” or concerns that the server you chose may decide you’re not fitting. That and mastodon.social wasn’t available to register for a while as I recall.

      Add to that the fact that your instance may not be federated with whoever you’re trying to share stuff to. Meanwhile with bsky it’s just “do you have bsky yes or no”.

      People care about ease of use way more than whether it’s corporate or not.

      • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
        1·
        4 hours ago

        “oh, you haven’t posted for a while, we’re blocking your account”

        Never heard of any mastodon instance doing that

        • GTG3000@programming.dev
          1·
          35 minutes ago

          I’ve had my accounts blocked like that a few times when Mastodon was relatively new. I guess it’s an instance-specific thing?

          I don’t remember the exact instance any more, since I never went back there, but mastodon.social doesn’t seem to do that.

          • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
            1·
            7 minutes ago

            It’s instance specific. I’ve had a semi abandoned account in one of the NSFW instances since 2022, posted one or two comments, forgot it, remembered about it in 2024 and still logged in.

            I know some instances will cull accounts that are 6+ months old with 0 posts, but that’s a different thing, too.

    • TeddE@lemmy.world
      4·
      9 hours ago

      It’s simple kinda - one has a marketing team. Lots of wonders the power of spin and hype can do for you.

    • vga@sopuli.xyz
      2·
      8 hours ago

      It has Democrat toxicity instead of Republican toxicity. And no Elon Musk. Which is like cleaner and often less stupid, sure, but for a european not very relevant.

      And something something protocol cool cool much. Compared to Mastodon, it has similar algorithmic feeds that Twitter has, which depending on your viewpoint makes it just as bad as Twitter or just as useful as Twitter. This + lack of masses leads to nothing ever happening in Mastodon, or at least that it seems like it. In contrast, those algorithmic toxic wastelands like Twitter, Bluesky and Facebook especially always have something “new” happening in them. Even if it’s just AI slop, the dumb part of your brain gets happy about it.

  • ZeroGravitas@lemm.ee
    782·
    22 hours ago

    It makes sense that they would go where the users are.

    But not having a separate, European instance federated into the BlueSky network, that’s the real wtf.

    • monogram@feddit.nlEnglish
      33·
      21 hours ago

      What if I told you Bluesky federates just as well as WhatsApp does with XMPP.

        • monogram@feddit.nlEnglish
          61·
          37 minutes ago

          Federation with bluesky is just that technically theoretical. Creating a protocol that allows for federation is not enough

          Stimulating others to federate by making it virtually impossible without only billions in the bank for zero profit sounds great 🤡.

          It smells of green federate washing. A way to point legislators/ populous that bluesky is different, really, I swear, trust me bro 🤡 .

          Instead of writing white papers Lemmy/Mbin/GoToSocial/jackal started with writing detailed documentation in how to run your own. In the scope of reality (not theory) 🤡

          • ZeroGravitas@lemm.ee
            2·
            5 hours ago

            I’m not even going to pretend that BlueSky is more open than any Fediverse tool designed with federation in mind from the ground up. BlueSky is certainly not Mastodon or Lemmy, but it’s not Meta AI-pushing crap like WhatsApp either.

            Let’s do a thought experiment. What if we would get a Wikipedia like NGO with proper funding setting up a EU based BlueSky instance? It won’t be the decentralized dream of Fediverse, perhaps, but it could still prove useful. I think Twitter was successful because of its unified, global reaching platform appeal, not in spite of it, and the fact that users flock to BlueSky tells me that appeal is still there. Having a bit more decentralization in that mix just makes it better, but Mastodon shows that decentralization is not sufficient to give a platform a wide appeal.

            As context: I’m one of those people that donates annually to Wikipedia, but I have no interest or capacity in managing a decentralized federation server in my basement. Lots of kudos to the people that do!

  • LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
    548·
    21 hours ago

    Considering Mastodon sucks from a UX perspective i don’t blame them or users. Mastodon seems to be a great case of Open Source and decentralized being so fervently followed that people ignore the absolute real problems with it thus ensuring it will never become any type of mainstream.

    Actually trying to find interesting content on Mastodon is fuckin awful, bluesky learned what i liked and hands me new awesome artists pretty much daily. Combine that with the whole having to select an instance and remember how to use it and cross instance posting and blah blah blah and your average person is not even going to look at Mastodon

    • 0x0@lemmy.zip
      313·
      21 hours ago

      I have no issues finding content on mastodon, just search and follow hashtags.

      • ahornsirup@feddit.org
        202·
        20 hours ago

        And most people prefer content algorithms. Or maybe a better way of phrasing it would be they’re used to and expect content algorithms. Having to actively search for and follow topics is not only yet another hoop users have to jump through (good UX has as few steps as possible to get you where you want, a good chunk of users jumps ship at every step) it also requires that they know which hashtags are being used for the content they want to see beforehand, which might be difficult for you if you relied on content algorithms before.

        • 0x0@lemmy.zip
          21·
          8 hours ago

          Weird how a marginal effort immediately puts people off.
          WALL-E and Idiocracy vibes…

          • omarthemediocre@lemm.ee
            2·
            1 hour ago

            This is how society has always been I will continue to be. That is why your self-custody bitcoin wallet will never replace debit card and your non nerdy friends will never use Linux. The barrier of entry is the difference between mainstream and fringe.

        • LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
          6·
          19 hours ago

          Not only that have you seen user-generated content? There is absolutely no consistent tagging whatsoever. That is like the worst way to find things because everyone will tag things differently assuming they even tag it at all

    • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
      133·
      16 hours ago

      Considering Mastodon sucks from a UX perspective i don’t blame them or users.

      This narrative is tired, particularly with Mastodon.

      All open source projects that aren’t violently ruthless about pursuing profits are going to lag behind tech companies approaching social media from the perspective of a cigarette company that also is selling the capacity to rich interests to distort, artificially elevate or silence perspectives.

      Should we all push for a more accessible fediverse? Of course, but what is your perspective bringing to the table that does anything other than restate the incredible material inequality in resources between the two things you are comparing?

      On the contrary I think the UX of mastodon is impressively boring and functional compared to the ever enshittifying slop and paper thin future promises served up by multimillion and multibillion dollar social media companies.

      • Lemminary@lemmy.world
        2·
        16 hours ago

        I agree that the UI is largely functional first (with no bugs since I started using it, which is hella cool), but it’s a bit unfriendly to new users. For example, it breaks from convention when replying to a comment, and the themes need a better separation between posts, and it needs to expand on existing features. All it needs is a little TLC, but it’s been almost the same for over a year. I’ve only noticed subtle changes on Lemmy UI and none on Mastodon that have any impact.

        • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
          3·
          15 hours ago

          Don’t get me wrong, I am not trying to overly defend the Mastodon project in particular, I use Mastodon, I have for years but yeah there are lots of issues with it.

          …but the difference between Bluesky and the Fediverse is that RIGHT NOW, ALREADY you can use a different microblogging software written and maintained by different people with different ideologies and different objectives that will still interact and interconnect with Mastodon pretty well most of the time. Not only that, but Mastodon (and I assume other microblogging fediverse softwares) already have multiple different themes and the customization options are simply up to how many people are willing to get their hands dirty… and the sense of customization isn’t a marketing bullet point it is a deeply held ideology that is expressed in the very architecture of the fediverse, Bluesky on the other hand can only gesture in the vague direction of these things without rocking the boat of venture capital investors too hard. They have not still as far as I am aware ruled out using ads, according to the CEO of Bluesky (which Mastodon doesn’t have a CEO notably).

      • LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
        2·
        16 hours ago

        And that is fine if you feel that way, but it’s not going to match the majority of people and it’s going to prevent the platform from ever achieving any type of mainstream status.

        I personally do not agree with you, I find the ux to actually hinder usability. I do use Mastodon, because otherwise forming an opinion on it would be stupid. I regularly still struggle to find content I’m interested in on Mastodon, searching all the different instances is a pain. Hashtags are not adequate most content is never even tagged, even the stuff that is tagged might not be tagged in a way I expect because everybody tags things differently. This makes searching for Content I’m interested in very difficult.

        I have to actually invest a pretty sizable amount of my time on Mastodon just trying to find something on Mastodon I want to interact with. Compare that with something like blue sky I open the app and the algorithm has already figured out what I like just from me liking stuff as it appears that I’m pretty much instantly greeted with a wall of nothing but stuff that I’m interested in in some capacity.

        It’s coming from a corporation that just wants to make money but the end result is that they gave me something that I was actually interested in immediately without me having to jump through a bunch of Hoops and that’s just objectively a better user experience

    • Lemminary@lemmy.world
      1·
      15 hours ago

      Because Money 🤑 And Profits 😎 And a new Yacht! 🏖

      What’s that, you can’t afford groceries? Fuck off, poor.

    • vga@sopuli.xyz
      1·
      9 hours ago

      They probably do, but that just means that they hate Mastodon and have never heard of Lemmy.

    • cecilkorik@lemmy.caEnglish
      305·
      22 hours ago

      As long as we’re throwing fediverse wishlist items out there, I wish the Lemmy core developers/founders didn’t have such gross political views.

        • cecilkorik@lemmy.caEnglish
          7·
          17 hours ago

          They run lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, they claim to be Marxist-Leninist and communist, they have profile pictures of both Mao and Fidel Castro respectively. They seem like generally reasonable people on a personal level but they do a lot of apologism of awful regimes under the typical guise of “just asking questions” and “free speech” and frankly I have no patience left for that kind of garbage.

          • vga@sopuli.xyz
            1·
            9 hours ago

            Is it a fact that they run lemmygrad also? I thought it was just some truly crazy people in there.

  • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net
    92·
    17 hours ago

    Particularly considering Facebook (I will die before I call it meta) blocked major Islamic Indians on their platforms as well as the biggest Islamic news outlet in India. Standing up your own instance on mastodon/lemmy/friendica/Pixelfed is the best way to avoid getting shut down by billionaires who kowtow to fascists.