I know, Iâm a bit sensitive when it comes to people telling me essentially âyou havenât tried hard enough.â
Anyway, the one childhood friend who was a man-kebab, that dude didnât invite me to his wedding with a removed who was equally or more an abuser of alcohol and they didnât because was vocally for the legalisation of weed.
If you lived here, your worst 3 days is something common for people
Homelessness is common sure. But staying awake for three days while sober, shitting the eherloving shit out of yourself while eating your fingers until they literally bleed and then proceed to paint with your own blood for 70+ hours is⊠common in the US? And you donât think that could be a bit offensive to me, dismissing literal torture I went through? (Sleep deprivation is torture, not to mention anything about closing off the water and not giving me my prescription meds.)
But hey, youâre not victimblaming, just dismissing it. So itâs still not as bad as literally every Finnish person I know.
But staying awake for three days while sober, shitting the eherloving shit out of yourself while eating your fingers until they literally bleed and then proceed to paint with your own blood for 70+ hours is⊠common in the US? And you donât think that could be a bit offensive to me, dismissing literal torture I went through? (Sleep deprivation is torture, not to mention anything about closing off the water and not giving me my prescription meds.)
Yes thatâs literally just something that happens to people. Yes, itâs definitionally torture⊠But itâs normal here. Normally, people paint the walls in shit, but blood is far from unheard of
I feel like a good analogy for you diamissing me like that would be something like you dismissing Wolverine as ânot understanding pain, because he has a healing factorâ.
No, Iâm dismissing wolverineâs pain because it doesnât make his position on politics better.
Iâm genuinely sorry you went through shit. It sounded terrible, I imagined myself in your situation and itâs an actual fear of mine
But I donât know what to do with that. Thatâs not a political argument. I think we both firmly agree that it should not be done to people
Which is why Iâm struggling to understand why you think media has given you an accurate picture of America, and why in the world you think your life would have gone better here
You gave me an anecdote about your country, and said I didnât understand what itâs like there. I agree. I donât understand what itâs like, I never have
Then you insist you understand my country from media. Itâs media⊠Theyâre stories. Even the news is cropped to tell stories. You do have to actually live here to understand what itâs like, no amount of media exposure can communicate what itâs like to live somewhere.
I look at your country analytically, and I see social programs and some meaningful effort to fight inequality. I see better health outcomes, and an attitude that itâs not okay to let people just die on the streets. I want that for us, and more.
I also see problems. But theyâre the problems I see everywhere - itâs like you have stage one cancer and we have stage 4, Iâm interested in looking at what weâre doing differently to see if we have less cancer over here. I also think you should do something about your cancer, Iâm anti-cancer
Iâm not having escapist fantasies about your country, Iâm pointing at some of your laws and saying âsee? It can obviously be done, and it works out betterâ
because it doesnât make his position on politics better.
No, youâre not disagreeing with anything. Youâre plain saying he doesnât feel pain because he regenerates, so he canât understand it. You literally keep writing âyou donât understandâ. Not âI disagree with your positionâ
Your literacy could use some improvement.
I see social programs
You think you do. Based on like 5 articles with variations of âFinland is the happiest country in the worldâ in the title.
You donât even know what Finnish sounds like. Finnish isnât a PIE-language, and I simply can not communicate all the understanding you lack. You seem to refuse to accept there are things you donât know you donât know.
Like how much language affects psychology, and how different it is in Finland from up top in the government and the bureaucracy all the way down to casual interactions of people in their daily lives.
You canât accept that thereâs a massive disparity between the subjects. Knowing and understanding Finland and Finnish just is much much harder than understanding the US. Iâve written this a dozen times, but again, most of our experiences from non-local things come from the media. And we have access to the same media. The difference is that the algorithm that pushes American news to you instead of Finnish ones does so to me as well. Thereâs no Finnish YouTube thatâs separate from the actual one. You refuse to accept that I can actually understand American culture and society, because of how common it is, but that the same doesnât apply towards your knowledge of Finland because of how small and insignificant we are as a country.
I could easily pass a US citizenship test (Iâd prolly recount some of the dates beforehand but Iâm fairly sure I could pass one without preparation.)
However you might not even seen words such as âperustuslakiâ, âVĂ€inĂ€möinenâ, âKalevalaâ, âKoskenkorvaâ etc. You probably just know âsaunaâ and if youâve been interested, then perhaps âvittuâ and âperkeleâ.
But yet you refuse to accept thereâs an asynchronicity to our knowledge about each others societies. Because of some ego thing. Itâs kinda boring tbh, nothing I havenât seen a million times online.
Youâre right. I donât understand Finnish at all.
Iâve never once thought I did, or really ever wanted to.
You think you could pass the citizenship test? Youâre delusional.
If you understood the USA, youâd realize youâd be deported before you got to take the test. There is currently no path to citizenship, unless you come from South Africa and/or have money
You think you could pass the citizenship test? Youâre delusional.
No, you are. Just like you could be arguing that I simply canât be fluent in English, despite me having literally better English than most Americans, youâre arguing that I canât possibly pass a test about basic American facts, despite showing you detailed (remember what the word means) knowledge that far surpasses anything asked in the citizenship test.
edit 2 oh yeah i realise people wonât necessarily know the domain si.edu so
Ooh nooo, theese are sooooooo haard. Sure, I guessed that the Constitution wasnât written in the same year as the declaration of independence was, so that was slightly a guess (I just assumed it wouldnât be in the same year and whilst a decade or more seemed a tad long, seemed the most reasonable). I also guessed how many senators there are, but two to a state seemed reasonable. Over four would just mean so much squabbling and one per wouldnât be enough.
And thatâs without me preparing. If I actually prepared even for an afternoon, I would easily pass the US citizenship test. Will you admit that though? No fucking way. Because this isnât about facts or understanding or anything. This is about your ego getting hurt, and because Iâm not sorry about your ego getting hurt, you just keep doing your tantrum and wonât just stop replying (like you probably should for your mental health.) Like Iâve said, Iâve seen this thousands of times over the years, and like I said, this will probably devolve into you spitting one-word replies like âkâ or âlolâ or mockingly saying something like âyou think Iâm gonna read thatâ. Thatâs the way it usually goes. Iâm gonna guess youâre gonna start by denouncing that taking the official US goverment test for if youâre ready to take your citizenship test (that online test) âdoesnât mean anythingâ and you still wonât accept the asynchronicity in our understandings, despite you not even being able to navigate the Finnish equivalent of a test like that, let alone knowing any of the answers. (To be fair, Iâm not as confident I would ace the Finnish citizenship as I am that Iâd ace the American one)
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If you understood the USA, youâd realize youâd be deported before you got to take the test
holy illiteracy batman. Iâve said several times I wouldnât want to step foot in your shithole. This doesnât mean I canât favour some of the things there, does it? Also saying that I have the required knowledge to pass the citizenship test doesnât mean that Iâm even attempting to get to take one, does it?
Which part of âI would never ever step a foot in the United States of Americaâ is hard for you to understand? Which part of having the knowledge to pass the citizenship test" do you think means âI want to travel to the US and take the citizenship testâ?
Youâre just extremely annoyed that I can actually prove that the I could very easily pass the test, as it doesnât really ask anything special, and despite your inane insistence that I just possibly canât understand American culture and society, I keep proving you wrong. You said âyouâre delusional if you think youâd pass the citizenship testâ. Thatâs you assuming what I know about the US. Then I do an official practice test just out of spite, and you keep insisting that Iâm wrong, despite all the evidence showing itâs you whoâs wrong. But like I said a while back, this isnât about facts. Itâs just about you getting emotional over having been wrong.
But to pretend itâs âcommonâ is taking the piss. Either your being extremely offensive or very ignorant. I canât decide which.
But itâs normal here.
No it fucking isnât. Nothing about that is normal. Sure, you can find examples of nastier shit going on in county jails, but to pretend like itâs âcommonâ shows that you have absolutely no connection to actual criminals. Unlike me. (Iâm a professional one, in case that wasnât clear.)
Itâs not even something most people are capable of. I have had a high BP since I was a kid due to a congenital kidney thing. (I had extra organs and then had to go through several major surgeries.) My pediatrician told me at 18 that Iâve the BP of an â80-year old womanâ.
Most people will just fall asleep automatically after aome ~26-30 hours. People have a hard time staying up 72 hours even when theyre doing pharmaceutical grade stimulants.
My body is essentially just overclocked. And thatâs why it crashes as well. I canât get to sleep for days then eventually I might find myself on the bathroom floor on top of broken glass, or in an ambulance or at the ER.
But you, just like Finns, just have to actively dismiss anything I say, even though youâre having to say ridiculous, untrue shit like that.
The average person during an average night in a jail definitely doesnât stay up all night, let alone three nights, let alone literally eating themselves. Have you ever tried biting yourself hard enough to draw blood?
No OF COURSE you havenât, because itâs NOT COMMON OR NORMAL IN THE SLIGHTEST.
Are people locked in an isolated box without access to their medications? Yes.
We closed all the mental asylums and people who need help often end up in prison, and then they piss off guards and get locked in a solitary confinement
Itâs normal not to mean it happens to a lot of people, but itâs basically always happening to someone. Itâs normalized. The people donât care. Occasionally a journalist will report on it or a politician will mention fixing the death rate of a prison, but itâs all just posturing
I had no trouble believing you, because it lines up with everything I know about the psychology of prisons. Iâve seen pictures like yours before, usually in English obviously
Do you not understand the gap between âno one believes it happenedâ and âno one cares enough to do anything about itâ?
Jesus youâre stupid. I keep telling you youâre wrong, and why. Then you just pretend you didnât hear it, that none of the inane silly bullshit you said was as inane as it actually was.
You understand significantly less than you think you do, and I understand significantly more than youâre even capable of understanding. Youâve shown that again and again and again, also while literally pretending like the experience I went through is something normal in the US. And you donât base that off of ANYTHING other than your childish avoidance of admitting your ignorance.
Iâve seen this act literally thousands and thousands of time this will end with you spamming one liners and writing things like âoh you think Iâm gonna read all thatâ while still pretending you understand better than I do, when pinĂ€ et suhu sedes uomeakaan.
Where were you when the second plane hit? What were you doing and thinking?
Iâve also kept it from the conversation this far to make you seem more ridiculous. Have you ever been to Finland? Have you ever even been in Europe, or even just out of the country?
Do you have Finnish relatives youâve been mailing and seeing since you were a kid? No?
Have you ever been in prison?
Again no.
Time and time again you show your ignorance yet think itâs somehow better than my actual knowledge. This is why Trump won. Youâre so easily misled by utterly shit rhetoric because you literally donât even have literacy to understand the BS youâre spouting.
Remember that Iâm choosing this language because *YOU" donât speak any others. Hell, youâre probably not even functionally literate in English either, seems like.
Holy fuck youâre pretentious. And no, English is not my only language, Iâm well traveled and Iâve lived abroad.
You. Donât. Understand. America.
You know things lots of things about it. That isnât the same thing. Youâre not even very informed about life here, youâve latched onto strange details from media and totally missed the kind of sociological analysis youâd need to begin to compare it to life in Finland
America is an escapist fantasy for you, itâs a place where you lived a different life, where you were recognized as extra special and your childhood wasnât painful
Itâs not a real place to you. Itâs an emotion
Youâre just like those weeaboos who move to Japan thinking it would be like an anime
I havenât claimed that you donât speak but a single language. I implied as much, and you got all bent out of shape that you know more languages. Again comparing, when the comparison is not even remotely close.
I imagine, (and again, imagining something doesnât mean asserting it) that your second language skills are comparable to my Swedish or German. That is I can do customer service in Swedish but not hold a long conversation, and could perhaps order for myself in German, but not actually work with the language.
But I speak English fluently. Hell, arguably better than my native language. I for sure have a wider vocabulary in English, as thatâs just the nature of the language, as English has more than a million words but Finnish some 100 000 and my English vocabulary exceeds 100k as per the test I previously mentioned.
You keep saying I donât understand, but not accepting or admitting what you fail to understand.
Youâre not even very informed about life here
Again, pulling shit out of your arse, just because.
Just because you donât like admitting that you might have a poorer understanding than someone else. I may be wrong, but i would bet my left testicle that we could get tested by clinical psychologists and linguists and I have a wider understanding of US and English (+my native language and knowledge) than you do of the US and English against any given other country.
Where have you lived for, how long, what language do you speak as fluently as English? (Although your reading comprehension in English could use a bit of improving.)
So, based on *what" exactly do you think Iâm not very informed? Specifically, that is?
onto strange details
See this is what I meant with your literacy. I speak your naive language better than you, lol, and you canât accept I can understand the basics of the secret society that is 'Murica.
detail
/ËdiËteÉȘl/
noun
1.
an individual fact or item.
Iâve literally prattled on a list about the general and largest problems in the US. Literally the opposite of âdetailsâ.
America is an escapist fantasy for you,
I wouldnât fucking set foot in the US even if you paid me ten thousand dollars. Literally. I would not. I wouldnât risk it. A million or a couple and weâre talking.
Just because I understand things which are better in the US doesnât mean I think the US is better to live in. Iâve kept this the whole time, yet you keep insisting âyou donât understandâ, when you canât point to anything in detail which I donât understand and whilst constantly telling you Iâve been extremely critical of the US for the past 25 years.
Speaking of⊠you still havenât answered where you were on 9/11? Iâd argue if you canât even remember that, you canât understand America. /s
I donât actually argue that. But I definitely could if I were to argue as badly as you. Because betting that youâre under, idk, 30 isnât really a huge bet. I accept I can be completely wrong and youâve just ignored on accident, but itâs also likely youâre in your twenties and literally weâre a baby/didnât exist when 9/11 happened. But I wonât. Since itâd be silly of me to assert what you know or donât.
Youâll notice I still havenât even asserted you donât understand Finland properly. Iâve said I imagine you donât, and that you clearly donât understand that you donât understand that I do understand. You canât possibly understand what I understand or not. Just like I canât understand what you understand completely either, as reading minds isnât a thing. You can assume thoughts though. You havenât. You just keep screeching âyou donât understandâ without being able to point to the âdetailsâ you pretend I âlatch ontoâ.
Your image of Finland is much more of a fantasy than my idea of the US, thats clear enough.
Itâs getting to the bit where youâre gonna get so mad that deluding yourself wonât work anymore.
Jesus Christ⊠Youâre a piece of work. I didnât feel a need to defend my understanding of language until you slipped in jabs multiple times. Because my ideas stand for themselves
Youâll notice I still havenât even asserted you donât understand Finland properly. Iâve said I imagine you donât, and that you clearly donât understand that you donât understand that I do understand. You canât possibly understand what I understand or not. Just like I canât understand what you understand completely either, as reading minds isnât a thing. You can assume thoughts though. You havenât. You just keep screeching âyou donât understandâ without being able to point to the âdetailsâ you pretend I âlatch ontoâ.
Iâve said multiple times. I DONâT UNDERSTAND WHAT ITâS LIKE TO LIVE IN FINLAND. It would be insanely arrogant to claim otherwise, and not once in my life have I done so. Iâve had online friends who live there, my step dad has gone there at least once a year for like 40 yearsâŠI know plenty about your culture. But Iâve never experienced it
And itâs equally arrogant to think you understand my country.
But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people⊠Iâve given them rides. Iâve never thought of a program to do so, not out of lack of compassion, but because the Nordic countries have a better attitude towards the homeless and social programs. Thatâs exactly what I want for my country. Thatâs what Iâm pointing at.
And of course you know more words in English. All languages have a speed at which they are spoken, and a set of vocabulary. All human languages have about the same information density, English has one of the largest vocabularies. I find Spanish poetry amusing, because of how it doesnât translate well⊠It has one of the smallest vocabularies and highest words per minute
As for details⊠Whatâs your obsession with skipping grades? Thatâs not a real thing. We have magnet schools and gifted programs⊠Skipping grades is basically not a thing. It causes socialization problems. I slept through my classes through college, because I was bored.
You barely understand America at a surface level. I say that purely out of your weird beliefs. You talk like an America-phile, fetishizing my county with little understanding of how any of it works.
The smartest thing youâve said is that youâd never come here. Because with your history with weed, youâd be locked in a box until they deported you. And I think thatâs horrible.
No, you donât, and unlike me, youâre unwilling to learn. Iâve been trying to teach you the difference, but you just keep saying I canât possibly understand. You canât reason that in any way, yet you assert it.
Iâve told you how those systems and laws you admire donât work here. Iâve told you the extent to which Iâve chased these things and Iâm telling you, the pathological avoidance is nation-wide. In the US, lawyers can actually profit from suing the state, so IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Not to everyone, not all the time, not even remotely. But like with âwhole grades accelerationâ, IT ACTUALLY DOES EXIST AND HAS MOTIVATIONS FOR WHY PEOPLE WOULD DO IT.
One course in law I took had the professor tell us how all of us probably had assumptions based on having seen so American TV. And we did. Suing is completely different. Justice systems are completely different, down to the core.
Can you even tell the key differences between common law and civil law systems without Googling?
Iâve never thought of a program to do so, not out of lack of compassion
There isnât one. Youâre making shitty assumptions, yet again. I could explain why I was driving around drunks and homeless people, despite them not getting driven around because theyâre homeless and/or drunks. But did you ask? No. You make shitty assumptions about some cloud cuckoo land where people donât frown the homeless or substance abusers. Itâs fantasy.
Nordic countries have a better attitude towards the homeless and social programs
Again, you simply display your ignorance.
If youâre in New York and laying on the street, no-one will stop, ânot my problemâ theyâll think. In rural Kansas though, in a small village where eveyone know each other, they probably would. Itâs called âthe bystander effectâ. And social programs can do that to whole nations. You simply arenât willing to open your mind to the possibility that someone thinks so differently from you that you canât understand it.
And because at the same time I assert that it doesnât work the other way around, because I do understand the American frame of mind, I understand them both, you get all mad and start having a tantrum.
Despite the simple fact that I could pass for an American easily and could pass American citizenship test but you wouldnât even be able to take the Finnish citizenship test and even if they allowed you to take it English, you wouldnât pass.
And of course you know more words in English
Why of course? Because while English has a wider vocabulary, it doesnât have more words, simply because of the agglutinative nature of Finnish multiplies the amount of words. But just like with every other mistake, youâll just stop caring about that and wonât be able to address the fact that you were actually wrong about something.
Here, conjugating âa dogâ
But you simply canât accept the fact that I have a viewpoint which is wider than yours. Not in life in general, but for the differences in Finnish and American cultures and society, most definitely
Oh wow quite a few broken thoughts there.
I know, Iâm a bit sensitive when it comes to people telling me essentially âyou havenât tried hard enough.â
Anyway, the one childhood friend who was a man-kebab, that dude didnât invite me to his wedding with a removed who was equally or more an abuser of alcohol and they didnât because was vocally for the legalisation of weed.
Homelessness is common sure. But staying awake for three days while sober, shitting the eherloving shit out of yourself while eating your fingers until they literally bleed and then proceed to paint with your own blood for 70+ hours is⊠common in the US? And you donât think that could be a bit offensive to me, dismissing literal torture I went through? (Sleep deprivation is torture, not to mention anything about closing off the water and not giving me my prescription meds.)
But hey, youâre not victimblaming, just dismissing it. So itâs still not as bad as literally every Finnish person I know.
Yes thatâs literally just something that happens to people. Yes, itâs definitionally torture⊠But itâs normal here. Normally, people paint the walls in shit, but blood is far from unheard of
I feel like a good analogy for you diamissing me like that would be something like you dismissing Wolverine as ânot understanding pain, because he has a healing factorâ.
I can see the logic in that, but I just donât agree with the sentiment
No, Iâm dismissing wolverineâs pain because it doesnât make his position on politics better.
Iâm genuinely sorry you went through shit. It sounded terrible, I imagined myself in your situation and itâs an actual fear of mine
But I donât know what to do with that. Thatâs not a political argument. I think we both firmly agree that it should not be done to people
Which is why Iâm struggling to understand why you think media has given you an accurate picture of America, and why in the world you think your life would have gone better here
You gave me an anecdote about your country, and said I didnât understand what itâs like there. I agree. I donât understand what itâs like, I never have
Then you insist you understand my country from media. Itâs media⊠Theyâre stories. Even the news is cropped to tell stories. You do have to actually live here to understand what itâs like, no amount of media exposure can communicate what itâs like to live somewhere.
I look at your country analytically, and I see social programs and some meaningful effort to fight inequality. I see better health outcomes, and an attitude that itâs not okay to let people just die on the streets. I want that for us, and more.
I also see problems. But theyâre the problems I see everywhere - itâs like you have stage one cancer and we have stage 4, Iâm interested in looking at what weâre doing differently to see if we have less cancer over here. I also think you should do something about your cancer, Iâm anti-cancer
Iâm not having escapist fantasies about your country, Iâm pointing at some of your laws and saying âsee? It can obviously be done, and it works out betterâ
No, youâre not disagreeing with anything. Youâre plain saying he doesnât feel pain because he regenerates, so he canât understand it. You literally keep writing âyou donât understandâ. Not âI disagree with your positionâ
Your literacy could use some improvement.
You think you do. Based on like 5 articles with variations of âFinland is the happiest country in the worldâ in the title.
You donât even know what Finnish sounds like. Finnish isnât a PIE-language, and I simply can not communicate all the understanding you lack. You seem to refuse to accept there are things you donât know you donât know.
Like how much language affects psychology, and how different it is in Finland from up top in the government and the bureaucracy all the way down to casual interactions of people in their daily lives.
You canât accept that thereâs a massive disparity between the subjects. Knowing and understanding Finland and Finnish just is much much harder than understanding the US. Iâve written this a dozen times, but again, most of our experiences from non-local things come from the media. And we have access to the same media. The difference is that the algorithm that pushes American news to you instead of Finnish ones does so to me as well. Thereâs no Finnish YouTube thatâs separate from the actual one. You refuse to accept that I can actually understand American culture and society, because of how common it is, but that the same doesnât apply towards your knowledge of Finland because of how small and insignificant we are as a country.
I could easily pass a US citizenship test (Iâd prolly recount some of the dates beforehand but Iâm fairly sure I could pass one without preparation.)
However you might not even seen words such as âperustuslakiâ, âVĂ€inĂ€möinenâ, âKalevalaâ, âKoskenkorvaâ etc. You probably just know âsaunaâ and if youâve been interested, then perhaps âvittuâ and âperkeleâ.
But yet you refuse to accept thereâs an asynchronicity to our knowledge about each others societies. Because of some ego thing. Itâs kinda boring tbh, nothing I havenât seen a million times online.
Youâre right. I donât understand Finnish at all.
Iâve never once thought I did, or really ever wanted to.
You think you could pass the citizenship test? Youâre delusional.
If you understood the USA, youâd realize youâd be deported before you got to take the test. There is currently no path to citizenship, unless you come from South Africa and/or have money
No, you are. Just like you could be arguing that I simply canât be fluent in English, despite me having literally better English than most Americans, youâre arguing that I canât possibly pass a test about basic American facts, despite showing you detailed (remember what the word means) knowledge that far surpasses anything asked in the citizenship test.
edit oh yeah from https://americanhistory.si.edu/citizenship/test/results
edit 2 oh yeah i realise people wonât necessarily know the domain si.edu so
Ooh nooo, theese are sooooooo haard. Sure, I guessed that the Constitution wasnât written in the same year as the declaration of independence was, so that was slightly a guess (I just assumed it wouldnât be in the same year and whilst a decade or more seemed a tad long, seemed the most reasonable). I also guessed how many senators there are, but two to a state seemed reasonable. Over four would just mean so much squabbling and one per wouldnât be enough.
And thatâs without me preparing. If I actually prepared even for an afternoon, I would easily pass the US citizenship test. Will you admit that though? No fucking way. Because this isnât about facts or understanding or anything. This is about your ego getting hurt, and because Iâm not sorry about your ego getting hurt, you just keep doing your tantrum and wonât just stop replying (like you probably should for your mental health.) Like Iâve said, Iâve seen this thousands of times over the years, and like I said, this will probably devolve into you spitting one-word replies like âkâ or âlolâ or mockingly saying something like âyou think Iâm gonna read thatâ. Thatâs the way it usually goes. Iâm gonna guess youâre gonna start by denouncing that taking the official US goverment test for if youâre ready to take your citizenship test (that online test) âdoesnât mean anythingâ and you still wonât accept the asynchronicity in our understandings, despite you not even being able to navigate the Finnish equivalent of a test like that, let alone knowing any of the answers. (To be fair, Iâm not as confident I would ace the Finnish citizenship as I am that Iâd ace the American one)
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holy illiteracy batman. Iâve said several times I wouldnât want to step foot in your shithole. This doesnât mean I canât favour some of the things there, does it? Also saying that I have the required knowledge to pass the citizenship test doesnât mean that Iâm even attempting to get to take one, does it?
Dumbass. I think your English is fine
Thatâs not why youâd be shoved in a box. But you would be, because my county is a collapsing empire. Your opinions and knowledge donât matter
You would be shoved into a box. Thatâs just objectively true.
Which part of âI would never ever step a foot in the United States of Americaâ is hard for you to understand? Which part of having the knowledge to pass the citizenship test" do you think means âI want to travel to the US and take the citizenship testâ?
Youâre just extremely annoyed that I can actually prove that the I could very easily pass the test, as it doesnât really ask anything special, and despite your inane insistence that I just possibly canât understand American culture and society, I keep proving you wrong. You said âyouâre delusional if you think youâd pass the citizenship testâ. Thatâs you assuming what I know about the US. Then I do an official practice test just out of spite, and you keep insisting that Iâm wrong, despite all the evidence showing itâs you whoâs wrong. But like I said a while back, this isnât about facts. Itâs just about you getting emotional over having been wrong.
Yeah in a country of hundreds of millions.
But to pretend itâs âcommonâ is taking the piss. Either your being extremely offensive or very ignorant. I canât decide which.
No it fucking isnât. Nothing about that is normal. Sure, you can find examples of nastier shit going on in county jails, but to pretend like itâs âcommonâ shows that you have absolutely no connection to actual criminals. Unlike me. (Iâm a professional one, in case that wasnât clear.)
Itâs not even something most people are capable of. I have had a high BP since I was a kid due to a congenital kidney thing. (I had extra organs and then had to go through several major surgeries.) My pediatrician told me at 18 that Iâve the BP of an â80-year old womanâ.
Most people will just fall asleep automatically after aome ~26-30 hours. People have a hard time staying up 72 hours even when theyre doing pharmaceutical grade stimulants.
My body is essentially just overclocked. And thatâs why it crashes as well. I canât get to sleep for days then eventually I might find myself on the bathroom floor on top of broken glass, or in an ambulance or at the ER.
But you, just like Finns, just have to actively dismiss anything I say, even though youâre having to say ridiculous, untrue shit like that.
The average person during an average night in a jail definitely doesnât stay up all night, let alone three nights, let alone literally eating themselves. Have you ever tried biting yourself hard enough to draw blood?
No OF COURSE you havenât, because itâs NOT COMMON OR NORMAL IN THE SLIGHTEST.
Are people locked in an isolated box without access to their medications? Yes.
We closed all the mental asylums and people who need help often end up in prison, and then they piss off guards and get locked in a solitary confinement
Itâs normal not to mean it happens to a lot of people, but itâs basically always happening to someone. Itâs normalized. The people donât care. Occasionally a journalist will report on it or a politician will mention fixing the death rate of a prison, but itâs all just posturing
I had no trouble believing you, because it lines up with everything I know about the psychology of prisons. Iâve seen pictures like yours before, usually in English obviously
Do you not understand the gap between âno one believes it happenedâ and âno one cares enough to do anything about itâ?
Jesus youâre stupid. I keep telling you youâre wrong, and why. Then you just pretend you didnât hear it, that none of the inane silly bullshit you said was as inane as it actually was.
You understand significantly less than you think you do, and I understand significantly more than youâre even capable of understanding. Youâve shown that again and again and again, also while literally pretending like the experience I went through is something normal in the US. And you donât base that off of ANYTHING other than your childish avoidance of admitting your ignorance.
Iâve seen this act literally thousands and thousands of time this will end with you spamming one liners and writing things like âoh you think Iâm gonna read all thatâ while still pretending you understand better than I do, when pinĂ€ et suhu sedes uomeakaan.
Where were you when the second plane hit? What were you doing and thinking?
Iâve also kept it from the conversation this far to make you seem more ridiculous. Have you ever been to Finland? Have you ever even been in Europe, or even just out of the country?
Do you have Finnish relatives youâve been mailing and seeing since you were a kid? No?
Have you ever been in prison?
Again no.
Time and time again you show your ignorance yet think itâs somehow better than my actual knowledge. This is why Trump won. Youâre so easily misled by utterly shit rhetoric because you literally donât even have literacy to understand the BS youâre spouting.
Remember that Iâm choosing this language because *YOU" donât speak any others. Hell, youâre probably not even functionally literate in English either, seems like.
Holy fuck youâre pretentious. And no, English is not my only language, Iâm well traveled and Iâve lived abroad.
You. Donât. Understand. America.
You know things lots of things about it. That isnât the same thing. Youâre not even very informed about life here, youâve latched onto strange details from media and totally missed the kind of sociological analysis youâd need to begin to compare it to life in Finland
America is an escapist fantasy for you, itâs a place where you lived a different life, where you were recognized as extra special and your childhood wasnât painful
Itâs not a real place to you. Itâs an emotion
Youâre just like those weeaboos who move to Japan thinking it would be like an anime
I havenât claimed that you donât speak but a single language. I implied as much, and you got all bent out of shape that you know more languages. Again comparing, when the comparison is not even remotely close.
I imagine, (and again, imagining something doesnât mean asserting it) that your second language skills are comparable to my Swedish or German. That is I can do customer service in Swedish but not hold a long conversation, and could perhaps order for myself in German, but not actually work with the language.
But I speak English fluently. Hell, arguably better than my native language. I for sure have a wider vocabulary in English, as thatâs just the nature of the language, as English has more than a million words but Finnish some 100 000 and my English vocabulary exceeds 100k as per the test I previously mentioned.
You keep saying I donât understand, but not accepting or admitting what you fail to understand.
Again, pulling shit out of your arse, just because.
Just because you donât like admitting that you might have a poorer understanding than someone else. I may be wrong, but i would bet my left testicle that we could get tested by clinical psychologists and linguists and I have a wider understanding of US and English (+my native language and knowledge) than you do of the US and English against any given other country.
Where have you lived for, how long, what language do you speak as fluently as English? (Although your reading comprehension in English could use a bit of improving.)
So, based on *what" exactly do you think Iâm not very informed? Specifically, that is?
See this is what I meant with your literacy. I speak your naive language better than you, lol, and you canât accept I can understand the basics of the secret society that is 'Murica.
detail /ËdiËteÉȘl/ noun
Iâve literally prattled on a list about the general and largest problems in the US. Literally the opposite of âdetailsâ.
I wouldnât fucking set foot in the US even if you paid me ten thousand dollars. Literally. I would not. I wouldnât risk it. A million or a couple and weâre talking.
Just because I understand things which are better in the US doesnât mean I think the US is better to live in. Iâve kept this the whole time, yet you keep insisting âyou donât understandâ, when you canât point to anything in detail which I donât understand and whilst constantly telling you Iâve been extremely critical of the US for the past 25 years.
Speaking of⊠you still havenât answered where you were on 9/11? Iâd argue if you canât even remember that, you canât understand America. /s
I donât actually argue that. But I definitely could if I were to argue as badly as you. Because betting that youâre under, idk, 30 isnât really a huge bet. I accept I can be completely wrong and youâve just ignored on accident, but itâs also likely youâre in your twenties and literally weâre a baby/didnât exist when 9/11 happened. But I wonât. Since itâd be silly of me to assert what you know or donât.
Youâll notice I still havenât even asserted you donât understand Finland properly. Iâve said I imagine you donât, and that you clearly donât understand that you donât understand that I do understand. You canât possibly understand what I understand or not. Just like I canât understand what you understand completely either, as reading minds isnât a thing. You can assume thoughts though. You havenât. You just keep screeching âyou donât understandâ without being able to point to the âdetailsâ you pretend I âlatch ontoâ.
Your image of Finland is much more of a fantasy than my idea of the US, thats clear enough.
Itâs getting to the bit where youâre gonna get so mad that deluding yourself wonât work anymore.
Jesus Christ⊠Youâre a piece of work. I didnât feel a need to defend my understanding of language until you slipped in jabs multiple times. Because my ideas stand for themselves
Iâve said multiple times. I DONâT UNDERSTAND WHAT ITâS LIKE TO LIVE IN FINLAND. It would be insanely arrogant to claim otherwise, and not once in my life have I done so. Iâve had online friends who live there, my step dad has gone there at least once a year for like 40 yearsâŠI know plenty about your culture. But Iâve never experienced it
And itâs equally arrogant to think you understand my country.
But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people⊠Iâve given them rides. Iâve never thought of a program to do so, not out of lack of compassion, but because the Nordic countries have a better attitude towards the homeless and social programs. Thatâs exactly what I want for my country. Thatâs what Iâm pointing at.
And of course you know more words in English. All languages have a speed at which they are spoken, and a set of vocabulary. All human languages have about the same information density, English has one of the largest vocabularies. I find Spanish poetry amusing, because of how it doesnât translate well⊠It has one of the smallest vocabularies and highest words per minute
As for details⊠Whatâs your obsession with skipping grades? Thatâs not a real thing. We have magnet schools and gifted programs⊠Skipping grades is basically not a thing. It causes socialization problems. I slept through my classes through college, because I was bored.
You barely understand America at a surface level. I say that purely out of your weird beliefs. You talk like an America-phile, fetishizing my county with little understanding of how any of it works.
The smartest thing youâve said is that youâd never come here. Because with your history with weed, youâd be locked in a box until they deported you. And I think thatâs horrible.
No, you donât, and unlike me, youâre unwilling to learn. Iâve been trying to teach you the difference, but you just keep saying I canât possibly understand. You canât reason that in any way, yet you assert it.
Iâve told you how those systems and laws you admire donât work here. Iâve told you the extent to which Iâve chased these things and Iâm telling you, the pathological avoidance is nation-wide. In the US, lawyers can actually profit from suing the state, so IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Not to everyone, not all the time, not even remotely. But like with âwhole grades accelerationâ, IT ACTUALLY DOES EXIST AND HAS MOTIVATIONS FOR WHY PEOPLE WOULD DO IT.
One course in law I took had the professor tell us how all of us probably had assumptions based on having seen so American TV. And we did. Suing is completely different. Justice systems are completely different, down to the core.
Can you even tell the key differences between common law and civil law systems without Googling?
There isnât one. Youâre making shitty assumptions, yet again. I could explain why I was driving around drunks and homeless people, despite them not getting driven around because theyâre homeless and/or drunks. But did you ask? No. You make shitty assumptions about some cloud cuckoo land where people donât frown the homeless or substance abusers. Itâs fantasy.
Again, you simply display your ignorance.
If youâre in New York and laying on the street, no-one will stop, ânot my problemâ theyâll think. In rural Kansas though, in a small village where eveyone know each other, they probably would. Itâs called âthe bystander effectâ. And social programs can do that to whole nations. You simply arenât willing to open your mind to the possibility that someone thinks so differently from you that you canât understand it.
And because at the same time I assert that it doesnât work the other way around, because I do understand the American frame of mind, I understand them both, you get all mad and start having a tantrum.
Despite the simple fact that I could pass for an American easily and could pass American citizenship test but you wouldnât even be able to take the Finnish citizenship test and even if they allowed you to take it English, you wouldnât pass.
Why of course? Because while English has a wider vocabulary, it doesnât have more words, simply because of the agglutinative nature of Finnish multiplies the amount of words. But just like with every other mistake, youâll just stop caring about that and wonât be able to address the fact that you were actually wrong about something.
Here, conjugating âa dogâ
But you simply canât accept the fact that I have a viewpoint which is wider than yours. Not in life in general, but for the differences in Finnish and American cultures and society, most definitely