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      see to its own affairs primarily. but it’s still important to say it out loud.

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        but it’s still important to say it out loud.

        Why? Is there a risk that someone in power might not know it? This is not news, it’s PR.

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            Normalisation will happen based on whether someone is going do something about it, not whether we talk about it.

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              That’s not right. The Overton window shifts based primarily on political discourse. Politicians saying things has an (often measurable) effect.

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                Overton claimed that politicians typically act freely only within the “window” of those seen as acceptable. After his death, his Mackinac Center for Public Policy colleague, Joseph Lehman, further developed the idea and named it after him.[7]

                The most common misconception is that lawmakers themselves are in the business of shifting the Overton window. That is absolutely false. Lawmakers are actually in the business of detecting where the window is, and then moving to be in accordance with it.

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                  The core claim I’m making is that political discourse is the primary means of moving the Overton window. Now politicians operate within it, sure. And they form a part of the discourse, too. And if you think politicians aren’t interested in the power of shifting the Overton window then I wonder how you interpret the existence of propaganda for example?

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                Just that professional speakers can be very good at using lots of words while saying very little, which can also serve the purpose of doing nothing.

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                  that’s a good thing to be concerned about, i agree. words and actions must go together. lets make sure we let our governments know that we want them to cut off the US.

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              that’s a bit reductive. there’s a time for action and a time for words. also important for recording what is happening.

              it’s no one elses job to save America from itself. we just need to decouple and look after our own interests and be prepared to act if America crosses the line with us (cf. Greenland.)

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                I think we had enough of time for words. Will there ever be a time for action? If not, then maybe we didn’t need as many words.

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                  i get it. i’m frustrated too. but while the US admin are fascist assholes, they haven’t done anything to us YET to warrant too hard of a response.

                  what we should be doing is aggressively decoupling. no more US weapons, stop favoring US companies, independent EU tech stack, local defense buildup, things like this.

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    The main win here is the message being sent. We can echo and amplify this message and have the conversations via social media or in person.