Want to wade into the snowy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.
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The post Xitter web has spawned so many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)


https://theasterisk.substack.com/p/reflecting-on-a-few-very-very-strange
Cross posting from reddit but hereās TPOT/GHB/CNC stuff
Iām sorry.
Vibecamp: Itās the Scott Aaronson comment section, but in person.
This is genuinely horrifying throughout. It reinforces my conviction that I donāt really want to know or gossip about the details of these peoplesā lives, I want to know the barest details of who they are so that I can set firm social boundaries against them.
A quote the author offers, that stands out to me:
Iād never been particularly ardent about believing it, but this right here is firm evidence to me that existing in a rigid gender binary is mental and spiritual poison. Whoever this person is, theyāre never going to grow up.
I donāt wish to belittle the authorās suffering, but I do hope she is able to reconsider her participation in these scenes where hierarchy, contrived masculinity, and financial standing (or the ability to generate financial gain for others!) are the signifiers of individual participantsā worth.
Honestly i feel like my role in many of my friendships is simply telling people that they donāt have to follow these prescriptions and are allowed to do things outside of them, and that following these prescriptions isnāt some magic pill that is going to fix their lives, and is more likely a poison. So yeah if you started ardently believing that, I would not be opposed.
These people are bitter and sad because they are trying to perform in hypermasculine roles that only exist as fiction in marketing and propaganda. Iām bitter and sad because:
āUā for āyouā was when I became confident who āNinaā was. The blogger feels like yet another person who is caught up in intersecting subcultures of bad people but canāt make herself leave. She takes a lot of deep lore like āwhat is Hereticon?ā for granted and is still into crypto.
She links someone called Sonia Joseph who mentions āthe consensual non-consensual (cnc) sex parties and heavy LSD use of some elite AI researchers ⦠leads (sic) to some of the most coercive and fucked up social dynamics that I have ever seen.ā Joseph says she is Canadian but worked in the Bay Area tech scene. Cursed phrase: agi cnc sex parties
I have never heard of a wing of these people in Canada. There are a few Effective Altruists in Toronto but I donāt know if they are the LessWrong kind or the bednet kind. I thought this was basically a US and Oxford scene (plus Jaan Tallinn).
The Substack and a Rationalist web magazine are both called Asterisk.
I think theres a EA presence at the all the big universities now. Theres a rationalist meet up in Manitoba but nothing here thank god.
I noticed Sonia during the initial media coverage but didnāt know what to make of her. Theres another person on twitter alleging abuse at Aellaās cnc parties, I can dig them up at lunch if you want.
not to make light of abuse but I do just want to entertain the alternate world where people are holding CNC (computer numerical control) parties. I imagine theyād have a lot of caliper talk but since it isnāt about skull measurement itās fine
That would be a much better world (btw ironworkers are great if you ever get to use one).
Manifesting a more ironworker forward 2026 bless ššš
https://xcancel.com/PronouncedWrong/status/2001579301653868976#m Here it is
Transcribing (the nested blockquote is a self-quote-tweet):
That āHereticonā link looks broken; I think it should point to this RationalWiki page.
It looks like this site requites
https://orhttp;//to recognize a link as an external link, otherwise it prependsawful.systems/and treats it as an internal linkI missed that as I was reading, but yeah, the author has pretty progressive language, but totally fails to note all the other angles along which rational adjacent spaces are bad news, even though she is, as you note, deep enough into the space she should have seen a lot of it mask-off at this point.
This article genuinely made me furious on this womanās behalf. It isnāt like most scenes or spaces are great at handling sexual violence, but in most spaces people would not accuse you of trying to silence and hurt men by saying you were groped!