This rally cry (to dismantle DHS) sounds exactly like the kind of popular policy position the Democrats always take when they are out of power. Then, when we give them the power to act, they refuse to implement it (usually in service of some nonsense like “mending”, “coalition building”, or “returning to normalcy”).
Yep, so if voting is still on the menu, we need to vote out the incumbent establishment dems who refuse to remediate these state terror programs.
Schumer and Jeffries won’t even support defunding ICE. Primary these dipshits while you still can New York!
Installing new politicians in the DNC will change nothing until those Junior members are confirmed to not be a threat to the current power structure they’re not given any power that would threaten that power structure
Bro, you can’t vote your way out of fascism. This is tyranny these are not normal times anymore normal things do not always apply for circumstances the courts the laws they’re not gonna save us. The sooner people realize that the sooner we can collectively do something.
Wealthy Democratic Party donors/leaders need the military in the streets putting down populist uprisings as much as Republican ones do. Often they are the same people.
Not even when they get in power.
Dems are already pushing back against people saying ‘Abolish ICE’
Because, let’s face it, democrat and republican are two faces of the same coin.
It’s the same model across the western world. Two party systems dominate because it’s the easiest model for the oligarchs to control us with.
We need a third Socialist Party
Absorbed into the FBI and CIA.
Yeah, that’s about the size of it. Of course the alternative is electing out-and-proud Nazis, so I guess its the choice that we get.
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Abolish ice, abolish palintir, abolish space x and demilitarize the police. Police should have a bachelor’s degree at minimum.
Nationalise SpaceX or force it’s sale. Musk aside, it’s holding up American dominance of the space industry.
the word you’re looking for is NASA. Fund NASA
Rocket bros are calling NASA “legacy Space” when they haven’t accomplished shit compared to them.
Not me.
Fold them into NASA then. Don’t throw away their tech or engineering skill, that’s just a waste.
No fuck SpaceX. And space Force is already nationalized but fuck them too. They all need to be shredded.
We don’t we need to dominate anything. That’s chud think. We need to cooperate in space.
Ok but like those things are also necessary for cooperating in space.
Cooperate how if we can’t get to space for an affordable price? SpaceX is leading at making space available at scale.
Dismantle the DHS? Whoa there. Lets cool it with the antisemitism
It’s given me Nazi Germanic creeps since the moment it was named the Department of Homeland Security.
And how are we going to do that? By asking politely? Waving more signs? Marches?
Actually convincing people to fucking vote is the only peaceful solution.
If you want people to vote for us when there isn’t a Republican in the White House then we need to push for leaders who
- Consistently tell people Republicans are bad people with bad ideas.
- Tell people creating ICE and DHS were Republican ideas and they need to be gotten rid of because Republicans have bad ideas.
- Tell people things were better back in the 90s before ICE existed because we didn’t let Republicans’ bad ideas ruin everything and we could just go back to what we were doing then.
- Publicly disown anyone who tries to campaign with Republicans or says anything positive about them.
Deviating from those things only loses us votes.
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we could just go back to what we were doing then.
Except what you were doing in the 90s directly led to what you’re doing right now. You can’t press freeze on history; that’s not how systemic problems work. The solution to the problems of the present lies in the future (and leftist commie socialism), not the past.
You’re describing their playbook!
Are you like 12 years old or something?
Read: There’s no peaceful solution. Fascism in America has already reached critical mass. Start organizing before it’s too late.
It doesn’t matter how people vote if none of their available options wants to do this.
Articles like this are how you get people to sell candidates that have this position.
I guess it’s just easier to whine about shit though.
If you think you’re limited in your options to represent you in government, then it’s not the land of the free.
It may seem like there’s only two viable options, and those two options will do all in their power to convince people of that, but anyone can be elected if they gain enough support. There are independents after all, and primaries still count for something too, if enough people show up to vote.
People need to vote in the primaries. As bad as turnout in the general election is, the primaries are fucking abysmal.
There are some economic strategies too, but they would involve varying levels of self-inflicted pain. They also need significant coordination to be effective.
loser talk
Yeah, the way it’s phrased it definitely seems like they want to make things worse by blaming voters for behaving like voters instead of focusing criticism on the elected officials who refuse to really attack the Republican party and its policies and end up demoralizing everyone
Well, then please teach me how to talk like a winner. Seriously.
I can’t, but you could take this opportunity to stop posting quitter comments online. Just go away if you can’t help
And if “WE’RE FUCKED NO MATTER WHAT WE DO” is all you have to say, you have nothing to say
He literally posted a solution. Nothing about what he said was quitting, he was telling people what doesn’t work. You know what also doesn’t work? Negative comments on Lemmy. Relatively no one is reading this, and you are are just being aggressive. Relax.
He literally posted a solution
Where?
He said we need to vote
You say we just need to talk like winners on the internet
At no point did anyone in a thread I replied to say we need to vote, I think you’re too upset about this now
Actually convincing people to fucking vote is the only peaceful solution.
There. Right there. In the comment. Right there in the comment where he said, “Actually convincing people to fucking vote is the only peaceful solution.” That’s the part.
You must be confused, or replying to the wrong comment. Either that, or someone’s playing the edit game
Either way, hope your day gets better
That’s literally what you’re saying.
Try providing actual plans.
This sort of commenter frustrates me. I understand that they don’t want to see negativity in the comment section, but they never offer any sort of positivity, just reprimand.
You’re assuming these commenters are acting in good faith. They typically aren’t.
I’m saying there’s no value in adding doomer loser noise to the signal.
Adding a positive is positive, reducing a negative is also a positive. I’m reducing a negative by asking these helpless bleating losers to be less unhelpful and vocal.
I’m happy and open to having a positive and constructive conversation, but they don’t start with rude challenges
Still not providing an actual plan.
When you get one, post it.
And I consider phrases like ‘doomer loser’ pretty rude.
ok
Adding a positive is positive, reducing a negative is also a positive. I’m reducing a negative by asking these helpless bleating losers to be less unhelpful and vocal.
Lol, telling someone who is claiming the solution is to convince people to vote a loser is positive?
I mean that’s just the truth… You can’t make changes to the organization of the executive branch without securing the support of both the executive and Congress.
Maybe instead of loosing your shit about people being looser doomers, you might just want to read a book about civics.
You’re commenting on an edit, so I can excuse your tone, but you’re late to the party
I can’t
Seems like loser talk.
Democrats will never dismantle an organization that they gain so much from. Prior to this year, the largest increases in federal funding to ice and the department of Homeland security have come from Democrats. Who else is going to do the record number of deportations for Democrats if it wasn’t for ice and Homeland security? And I’m sure I don’t need to remind anyone that the one currently running things for Trump was running things for Obama.
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Shouldn’t it be primary season for the mid terms now? Are there any left, or at least progressive, candidates running anywhere?
If you’re in the US, look for DSA candidates in your area.
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Republicans one-party state FTW?
They didn’t mention the 2nd part:
Dismantle the Democrats. Liquidate the Republicans.
That’s a tremendous omission.
Big think: the people wouldn’t just vanish. The parties are their people. After we dismantle & liquidate them, wouldn’t the same parties reemerge? Something crucial seems missing.
Wait what? Kristi Noem ran DHS under Obama? What am I missing?
Tom Homan
Kristi Noem’s DHS is what we were warned we would get eventually. They were right.
The people screaming at Democrats for 20 years for not trying to roll all that police state Bush era shit back WERE RIGHT!
DHS?
It’s time to dismantle the USA.
Its at this point a failed state and it should just fall apart in 50 independent countries. About half of them (I’ll leave it as as exercise to the reader to figure out which ones) will turn into Canada type counties with healthcare
The other will turn into 3rd world banana republics that won’t be able to feed their own population while having constant coup’detats going on. After a few decades the world will intervene and install normal functioning democracies in those countries after outlawing religion there.
A woman can dream
The world will interfere and fix them? Like who? Russia? China? Like everyone else intervened and fixed the middle east?
I hate to break it to you, but the problem isn’t the usa.
The problem is the rich.
Nah american people have all tbe power to do so as is
I wish so bad.
It’s time to dismantle the US Government, prosecute sex offenders, pedophiles, corrupt politicians and start over.
It’s time to dismantle the US Government
He forgot to say what he would do to the billionaires.
It’s time to dismantle the government in general. The government (through ICE) are stifling people’s liberties. It’s time that the proletariat has a say. Seriously!
It’s a war-time consolidation of power that has been irredeemably infiltrated & turned against the country’s own residents. It can easily be dismantled l, with power distributed to competing agencies keeping each other in check, like it was for 200 years.
But then who will protect us from those 20 guys with box cutters?
You remember, the ones they used as the excuse to establish the ministry of the interior.
The day I can’t vote is the day I take arms.
That might be a little like “not using the fire extinguisher until the fire has spread into the living room.”
Too little, too late. Trump is talking about suspendeding the midterms. Might be time to show some guns.
I think this mentality breaks down in the reality of the system we currently have. They are constantly working to make your vote mean less. The structures of our constitution effective gerrymander the states’ influence on national levels through the senate. Similarly, the electoral collage is built to favor the right. And after all that the higher courts have been packed by republican, effectively giving an override to functionally any law in the form of sloppy logic from a broken supreme court.
All of that to say, if you draw the line at specifically your ability to cast a vote, regardless of the voice you actually have, you’ve essentially decided so long as there is the theater of democracy you will do nothing to help save it.
Fuck Trump, Fuck ICE, Free Palestine!
Actually we’re long overdue, the time to dismantle the DHS was the same day it was created.
Repost, reblog, re-tweet, re-truth (if you’re into that sort of thing).
