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    Ok, good. I’m glad that happened. Because now my suspicion is more solid. Not that this happened but we have new information.

    They don’t give a flying fuck about your “papers.” I don’t recommend walking around with a birth certificate or social security card. Your passport is questionable too.

    Why? Because they will take them, and say you had none anyway. Suddenly you are no longer who you say you are to any things that need them.

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    I encourage all Americans to arm themselves (and really humanity as a whole) and always have but I think Native Americans especially should arm themselves or face a possible repeat of history. Trump is threatening to Invade Greenland and Canada over resources and attack Venezuela to prop up the Petrodollar. There’s zero chance he’ll respect treaties with Native Tribes if there’s mining that can be done on the Rez

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      Wow, really?
      Quotas were introduced in the Stalinist USSR at one point in the 1930s, I think. Before that, you had to prove that you were innocent to have a shot at escaping imprisonment. Before THAT, authorities had to prove you did something wrong (they almost always found something, though).
      Both of these early approaches were simply too inefficient to man the gulags and run the country into the ground, I guess.

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      I live in NM. It’s going to all out war when ice comes here. There’s tons of natives that live here.

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        I wonder if they might not even try. When like 1/3 people are dark skinned and the vast majority of them are citizens it’s going to waste so much of their time. Until they drop the pretenses anyway and just start blatantly and deliberately deporting citizens.

        But at that point, to paraphrase trump. They’re gonna find out why abq has a neighborhood called the war zone.

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          I fully foresee them trying to “re-colonize new Mexico” by harassing all the browns and moving white people there

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        Ice isn’t in all of the US yet ? are they being deployed state after state or something ?

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          There aren’t actually that many of them and this is a physically large country. They have been focused on cities that are more aligned with the Democrat party.

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              The biggest city in Minnesota is Minneapolis, where most of this is crazy bullshit ICE news happening. Trump won the Presidency by beating Democratic Party Harris from California and Walz from Minnesota. Harris does not have any political positions so she is kinda out of the news. But Walz is Governor of Minnesota.

              Let that sink in for a few minutes and when you look at the news again… vicious is probably tame, this is outright evil. even if you arnt a religious person, this is the worst on its way to something of historically nightmare

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                Ok thanks for all the context. so this is also petty personal revenge. Fucking hell

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          The us is too big and they’re afraid of resistance. If they spread out to all states at once, we could stop most of it by outnumbering them in most places.

          Also they’re focusing on Blue cities to try and provoke protests for their propaganda and plans for marshal law.

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          are they being deployed state after state or something ?

          Only a handful of cities, but their funding is something like $60 billion dollars, the equivalent of two or three branches of our military combined. I don’t think ICE has the staff to go after whole states at this point, because there are many stories in the media that seem to indicate they are hiring every stupid motherfucker who puts in an application. They send a ton of people to small geographical areas so that, theatrically, it appears that they are more powerful and numerous than they really are.

          There are various means of resistance happening in local communities. Here in Kansas City, Missouri, for example, our city council just banned ICE from receiving an permits or zoning for mass detention facilities here in our city.

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            And that’s why Trump is pushing for civil unrest/war to use the insurrection act. He desperately needs the military. Not only is ICE not big enough, but it’s full of untrained cowards. As soon as the first bullet flies, some will fight, but the vast majority will either go flight or fawn. This existence is so stupid.

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      Dude, this guy knew well before you did. He’s very likely not a trump voter. You’re thinking of Trump voters… They are creatures, not people. This guy is a person.

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      i can’t make sense of this comment in this context, which is to say a Native man sharing the story of his arrest, and your statement which suggests he deserved it?

      the leopards comments are moving from unhelpful to actively harmful, from my point of view. you’re participating in the further dehumanization of one of the most historically oppressed peoples in this country.

      edit typo

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        People have been saying to carry all your identifying papers around with you in case you get stopped.

        Others have correctly pointed out that ICE does not care about what papers you have with you and they will arrest you regardless.

        There’s your context.

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        Pretty sure that comment is about ICE and how they are doing all the things MAGA supporters said they wouldn’t do. And likely still believe they aren’t.

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    I think it’s safe to say the literal best thing to do when confronted by ICE is to try and leave, they will just ignore any identification and it’s better to not be caught alone, have some people near you and work on cardio if you can; of course this doesn’t help much with the door-to-door shit, so having emergency+legal contacts is also very important

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      Yes because historically Native Americans have had success defending their land against violent imperialist invaders.

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        There aren’t any reservations in China. So… But in all seriousness if anyone is interested in the history of native conflicts with the US government, Blood Struggle is a pretty good starting point. Several tribes fought the US military to a standstill and occupy their ancestral lands (or at least a significant portion of them). Navajo Nation is larger than the Netherlands.

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      Miller wasn’t only talking about Greenland when he said “To control a territory, you have to be able to defend a territory".