• SaltSong@startrek.website
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      5 days ago

      What if I blew up a water tower?

      Or burned down every grocery store in the city? (At night, while no-one was there to get hurt)

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        5 days ago

        Then your act of vandalism/sabotage would have effects that harms people. Is this so difficult for you to understand? SMH.

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          5 days ago

          It’s quite easy to understand. But you said “Property damage is not violence against civilians.”

          Clearly property damage can be violence against civilians.

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            5 days ago

            Yeah, I get the argument that you’re trying to make, but this is a really shitty time to play devil’s advocate.

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              4 days ago

              I’m not playing devil’s advocate. I’m trying to get people on my side of the political divide to stop supporting their ideas with falsehoods. That is one way the right wing is able to attract a certain kind of adherent. They just have to point to things like this, where we say, and support, a false idea that we demonstrably don’t even believe ourselves.

              If our ideas are good, we only need the truth to make them look good.

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                4 days ago

                Falsehoods? Like equating municipally owned water towers and privately owned charging stations?

                You’re 100% playing devil’s advocate and drawing false equivalencies. Trying to sound like what you’re saying matters only works when what you’re saying… actually matters.

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                  4 days ago

                  Falsehoods? Like equating municipally owned water towers and privately owned charging stations?

                  No falsehoods like “property damage isn’t violence against civilians,” when we both know perfectly well it can be.

                  “False equivalency” seems to be another way of saying that you can’t defend your position without illustrating that you define “violence against civilians” based on how much you like the civilians in question.

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                    “False equivalency” seems to be another way of saying that you can’t defend your position without illustrating that you define “violence against civilians” based on how much you like the civilians in question.

                    You’ve just proven my point for me. You’re arguing pedantry in favor of billionaires, literally playing devil’s advocate.

                    Sincerely, fuck off.