Democrats are just as racist as the Republicans, they are just better at hiding it, just look at their bipartisan support for the border wall, ICE, and more.
Dems and others hate when you point out there only mad at trump for certain things because he doesn’t do them with decorum or behind the scenes. He just announces it wildly as doing the terrible things most do behind the curtain.
Like Venezuela and Iran. Not mad at attacks on other countries out of nowhere, but upset it wasn’t done after telling congress or letting congress say go for it
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Democrats are just as racist as the Republicans
No way.
There’s a massive difference between being proud of being actively racist (MAGA), defiantly believing it’s not possible to be racist in 2026 because MLK ended racism (garden variety Republicans), forgetting about certain invasions and genocides based on (social) media coverage (which is based on expected viewership for ad revenue, which is based on skin color) (garden variety Democrats), and someone who I would describe as generally “not racist,” i.e. you, I assume if for no other reason than expedience of this discussion.
Pretending all three of the other groups are identical is not productive, intellectually dishonest, and makes fighting or educating them harder.
I believe they meant establishment politicians, not necessarily voters, which I agree with. If you support the same invasions, regime changes, racial profiling and prison slavery, etc, I don’t think you get to claim moral superiority for being smarter in how you conduct yourself.
Your country was built by genociding multiple indigenous peoples and enslaving black people and treating them like property, to this day it’s still very oppressive to both of these demographics, in addition to many other groups deemed undesirable by both liberals and fascists in power.
I still don’t buy it.
You two are saying Bernie Sanders, famously pictured getting arrested for marching with MLK, is as racist as people like Strom Thurmond, who filibustered the Civil Rights Act, Tim Scott who said welfare is worse for black people than slavery, or Vivek Ramaswamy who said white supremacy doesn’t exist?
Ain’t no way.
Being okay with genocide anywhere makes you a massive racist yeah, Bernie might perform radical politics but he’s still a Zionist who betrayed his voters for the last couple of years on his refusal to speak for Palestinians and for decades by arming Israel.
You’re thinking of the world in naive binary Good vs. Evil, handing elections over to the people who, instead of doing a shitty job of fighting genocide (Dem.), would enthusiastically perpetuate it (Rep.).
TL;DR:
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/dccd0d0b-9624-43a4-af69-c71d4839b19c.png
Not to mention that isn’t even the discussion we’re having. You missed (or pretended to miss) the part where we’re talking about comparison.
Which is hotter, tea that is 55C or 60C? If your answer is “They are both hot,” you are being obtuse and I hope you at least realize that, even if you can’t stop yourself.
handing elections over to the people who, instead of doing a shitty job of fighting genocide (Dem.), would enthusiastically perpetuate it (Rep.).
Jesus Christ, were we even living in the same universe during the last 3 years? Joe Biden was unquestionably more enthusiastic about supporting genocide than Donald Trump ever was.
Which one is the guy who announced we’re going to pave over Palestine to open a resort?
Did you think he was going to give the Palestinians American visas and comp their moving fees?
they are just better at hiding it
The page you’re providing covers a long history. It does a great job at trying to push for a new independant party, but does a very poor job at arguing that Right and Left are the same.
Everything before “New Forms for Old Racism: Great Rebellions and the Policies to Sustain Modern Segregation” was in the early 1900’s or older when things were bad as hell. Having only the last 1/3 of the article covers the present day skews the whole thing.
If you want to say right and left are the same, look at actions:
Who propped up DEI? Who dismantled it?
Which side pushed for civil rights acts? Which pushed against them?
Which side desegrated the military?
Which side preformed DOJ investigations into police departments with patterns of racial discrimination?
Which side started The My Brother’s Keeper initiative, aimed at improving outcomes for boys and young men of color.
How about The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act addressing wage discrimination, including racial pay gaps.
or The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act passed by the Democratic House in 2020 (though blocked in the Senate).
or The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act restoring protections against racial voter suppression.
You can find what feels like an unending list of democrat initiatives that dampen racsim, flipping to the republicans you can find a handfull at best.
The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act
The one they wouldn’t do away with the Jim Crow Filibuster to pass? I don’t count things that democrats worked with republicans to block as accomplishments.
The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act “The bill would restore and strengthen parts of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, most notably its requirement for states and jurisdictions with a history of voting rights violations to seek federal approval before enacting certain changes to their voting laws.”
yeah, sounds horrible.
Sounds like something democrats made sure didn’t pass.
They prefer their filibuster over protecting democracy.
Democrats are just as racist as the Republicans
That’s just not true. They are obviously not even close to the same. They are both racist (and even both very racist), but actively engaging in white supremacy IS WORSE and I shouldn’t have to explain why. You can argue that they are both bad, but I think the side that is okay with a former police officer chasing a black man down with his truck and shooting him might be worse.
I get that you want to equate these two, that any amount of racism is somehow just as bad, but it just fucking isn’t, and I’m tired of this “both sides” bullshit when one side has active lynchers in its midsts and brandishes at the sight of a black person. Make an argument that calls out the “tough on crime” narrative that passively destroys the lives of racial minorities, but don’t call them the same. That’s such a weenie position.
They are both racist (and even both very racist), but actively engaging in white supremacy IS WORSE and I shouldn’t have to explain why. You can argue that they are both bad, but I think the side that is okay with a former police officer chasing a black man down with his truck and shooting him might be worse.
Make an argument that calls out the “tough on crime” narrative that passively destroys the lives of racial minorities, but don’t call them the same. That’s such a weenie position.
Curious what you think “tough on crime” means and how it’s separate from “white supremacy” and the police killing black people. How is “tough on crime” passive? Do you think the effects of “tough on crime” on the lives of racial minorities were not intentional?
Yeah, considering I went over how there are Republicans that have actively lynched people for their race, I think I covered that pretty well, but let’s pretend I didn’t because not everyone can understand things the first time.
Tough on crime is passive because it is not about saying white people are superior, a thing Republicans do. It is also not actively telling people that Muslims are worse than dogs, a thing Republicans do. While the mechanisms of the state actively target minorities to a significantly higher degree, this is passively racist because it relies on underlying connections to tie minorities to crimes.
See, the sad part about your argument is that Republicans platform and actively defend the people who shoot minorities and actively defend the people who do so. Motherfuckers out here pretending the people who shoot up black churches and synagogues are anything other than Republicans, are hilariously bad faith. Anyone who thinks the Democrats are somehow just as racist as hate crime doers and defenders has shit for brains. That’s active racism, and yeah, it’s fucking worse.
Unless you think killing minorities and telling people to kill minorities is better than just saying “we’re tough on crime”. Do you think that?
This analysis only makes even a slight amount of sense if you actually don’t know what “context” or “a system” are. These two forces are not in opposition, they’re on the same side. It’s the same racist system being sustained in two slightly different ways and a critical aspect of that is the (fake) appearance of opposition which you have completely bought into. You’re also pretending a lot of democrats aren’t literally impossible to tell apart from republicans even within your framing, which isn’t the case. For example, Joe Biden.
Actions speak louder than words. The Democrats may say they oppose these things, but functionally they do absolutely nothing to actually oppose the Republicans. What has the Democratic party done to oppose the Republicans beside be pathetic and bend the knee to their every whim? People still get deported under both parties, as stated in the above post, so functionally racism is still government policy regardless. When people make the point the parties are the same, the point we’re trying to make is that electoralism under the American system will accomplish nothing. Only be standing against the party duopoly(which mind you, is effectively a one-party state) and pushing for regime change can racism be stamped out.
Also, both parties still bomb West-Asians just as much. So they’re also equally racist in that regard.
This is just the epitome of the white liberal misunderstanding of racism and how it functions. Yes these things are the same. This is why people refer to “active racism” as you call it, as “going mask off”.
The polite veneer that Democrats place over their support of racist policies is the reason MLK and Malcolm x cautioned against the “moderate whites”.
without putting children into detention camps
Unfortunately this is not true. Obama’s administration put families in detention camps and separated them. It was not used with such fervor, but it was wrong then, too
We protested this. There were court cases, and the Flores Settlement Agreement essentially ended the policy. But it took public outrage to enact change.
When did Hillary marry Obama?
I see you unaware of how the word ‘and’ functions in a sentence.
Absolutely fair, but I did delete my comment about 30 seconds after making it after noticing the mistake.
Weird, it’s still visible on my end
Must be federated weirdness.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Dems are the “good cop” to the republican “bad cop”. They both want to fuck you over in the exact same way. One just pretends to be nice to you.
Rotating villain strategy
In 1992, Bill Clinton spoke from the mecca of American white supremacy to launch his “tough on crime” agenda.
No but you don’t understand, suddenly now that the media is telling me how bad ICE is, I care about this. When a blue president is in office the media doesn’t talk about it, so I just assume everything is okay again.
Not talking about things = progress!
Under any previous administration they at the very least respected the law. This administration has given them carte blanche to ignore the law and infringe on the rights of citizens (who they aren’t even supposed to be interacting with). More importantly they weren’t fucking murdering citizens in the streets back then either. This ICE is not the ICE of 2 years ago, not by a long shot. The media is barely even saying how bad ICE is because they fear authoritarian backlash. The world is saying it because we have eyes and ears.
So Genocide Joe was following the law when he put kids in cages and adults sometimes in inhuman conditions?
Or did you all choose not to see it as long as they or your forever fascist cops only targeted minorities?
O how those libs suddenly got angry when they shot 2 white people.
Both cases world news.
Can you name 1 of the 35 that got killed by ICE in 2025 or the many others before?
All already in custody, no gun, no car.
You can’t because none of you cared.
They were Mexican, Colombian, Vietnamese,etc…
You and your shit racist banana republic can get fucked.
Glad you got Trump and I hope he makes it a lot worse for you and destroys your shithole.
You all deserve it.Its always been this ICE. Hell Tom Homman has been around the entire time. The border patrol in general has always been racist openly so since it’s Inception.
ah yes when they were forcefully sterilizing women a few years ago, it was within the bounds of the empire’s law and that makes it all okay 😇
go to hell, like actually
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Facts don’t care about liberal feelings. Glad to know you don’t care about inhumane treatment when your team does it.
Nazis hate us so much and it warms my heart🥰
Is this supposed to be a rebuttal to them or just an announcement you don’t want to acknowledge the information?
Both, I think. Fascism is good when blue team does it.
My concerns aren’t that they are doing it in an unlawful way, my concern is that they are doing it period.
Inserting a layer of bureaucracy into the process doesn’t make it in anyway better or okay.
This is .ml comrade
Yeah because the ICE surge has nothing to do with deporting immigrants. It’s about fear and control.
Pepperidge Farm remembers:
Janet Reno did the right thing.
Didn’t they send him back to Cuba? I forget how that all played out.
Yes, where last I read, is still with his father as an adult, happy and productive.
That’s good to hear
Until the bombs start dropping or they starve, I guess.
He would be a right-wing podcaster Trump humper if he stayed in the US with those dickhole relatives. His life was being saved in that photo.
Oh ya, I remember her greatest hit
TF does that have to do with this conversation?
Most of the laws that are allowing trump to pull this immigration shit were passed by Democratic administrations. Bidens big strategy was to mock Trump for not deporting as many people as he did.
But yeah, is the leftists fault that brown people aren’t voting for Democrats.
Democrats lose: “It was the left’s fault for not voting for us! We need to be more conservative in our policies!”
Democrats win: “We did this without the left, we have no need to pass legislation that appeals to them.”
Yup. They were just better at being shit. Or nation has no right to deport anyone from the Americas. If someone is fleeing their nation, the US is probably the reason why in the first place.
They’re still courting the mythical “Republican centrist” that just needs a little push to vote Democrat. They’ve learned nothing.
They are not courting as much as speaking what they think
The Republican centrist lives in Meinongs jungle together with the married bachelor and the last unicorn. They sit around a round square table having tea every eighth day of the week.
Yeah, I never understood why these establishment corporate Democrats respond to Republican criticism by acting more like Republicans. Those psychos have big mouths, but that doesn’t mean that what comes out is worthy of attention.
Democrats need to learn to say Shut The Fuck Up and Get The Fuck Out, when MAGAs start whining, NOT listen to them.
They have the same donors as the Republicans.
And they go to the same pedo islands. One big club etc etc
Yeah, I never understood why these establishment corporate Democrats respond to Republican criticism by acting more like Republicans.
They act more like republicans in response to any sensory input.
Freedom of movement should be a universal human right
Borders should be controlled and monitored so much as to stop human trafficking as well as nefarious intentions.
Human trafficking across borders only exists in the first place because the borders exist
Don’t worry, the checkpoint outside your house is just to make sure you don’t have any nefarious intentions
Should probably put a checkpoint outside my bathroom. It is a dark and insidious place where many nefarious goings ons take place.
Look at this neo-liberals. This is why those on the left hate you just as much as the conservatives and MAGAt. When it gets down to brass tacks, your leaders are barely better than they are. We’re tired of arguing with you as much as them as well.
And people yell at me for saying we need to light the Dems on fire with the GOP…
From the person who brought you “Pokemon Go to the polls”…
Way to miss the point. Deportation is not always bad. You can have it in a targeted and humane — and righteous — way without terrorizing US citizens and invading American cities and without funding a masked Gestapo apparatus.
But you were hating that woman first before reading her statement. Please proceed.
You are stupid and you are wrong. Just to preempt it because I know it’s coming: this is not an ad hominem. You’re not wrong because you’re stupid, you just happen to be both.
Who do you think laid the foundations for the ICE Gestapo? Was it perhaps the “Deporter-in-Chief” and his party, who repeatedly approved massive funding increases, expanded detention capacity, normalized local–federal cooperation, and stifled every serious attempt to dismantle the apparatus once it existed?
Hillary bragging about deportation numbers isn’t some abstract endorsement of “targeted and humane” enforcement. She’s boasting about participation in a system that already relied on mass detention, racial profiling, family separation through removal, and routine due-process abuse. The only difference is that under Obama and Clinton it was wrapped in technocratic language and better PR.
Your chauvinist ass is treating racially targeted state violence as acceptable so long as it’s quiet, bureaucratic, and doesn’t visibly impact white citizens or comfortable middle-class communities. Obama-era deportations didn’t feel like “Gestapo tactics” to you because they were overwhelmingly inflicted on undocumented and non-white migrants, out of sight and off camera. Raids, cages, deportation flights, and shattered families were already happening. You just didn’t care, because it wasn’t framed as a crisis for white Americans.
It’s peak liberal chauvinism. Migrant lives are disposable, but the moment enforcement becomes louder or uglier, suddenly it’s a problem.
Also it is objectively, morally and in every other conceivable way correct to hate the Clinton’s, Obama, the Bushes and Reagan alongside basically every high level American politician. They are a cabal of pedophiles who have immiserated the world on an industrial scale for decades.
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The fact that you can’t process a basic argument about institutional continuity yet feel confident calling someone else stupid is wild. Kids were already in cages, detention capacity was already expanded, and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Department of Homeland Security were getting pumped with funding year after year under Obama, you think that had zero relationship to what came after? Infrastructure doesn’t materialize out of thin air just because you discovered the word “fascism” in 2017. Pretending the machinery was harmless until someone you dislike used it more aggressively just makes you look like you have the memory of a goldfish and no object permanence. Or does it only count when white people get hurt?
Not always bad? Wtf is that nazi crap?
Kicking someone to a place where they don’t want to / cannot live is not bad?
Even if you kick someone out for “right” reasons (which is already not proven to exist) it is still bad, that is the point, if it was something nice it would not be used as a punishment.
The only right reasons: They’re a human trafficker and you’re kicking them out into the middle of the oceans.
Are you insane? Maybe I need to explain at a kindergarten level on the internet to people like you.
-Immigration should be allowed and is allowed.
-ICE in its current format should not exist.
-People are “illegal” because the current administration has made it hard to emigrate through normal channels.
With those obvious pieces in place: Do you think that someone that’s a murderer or tax cheat or rapist or Nazi or Pedohile (pretty much the entire Republic卐n party) should not be deprorted?
Do you think we should arrest them and give them due process and then deport them if warranted OR do you think we should do whatever the fuck it is the current assholes are doing?
You don’t own anger. I also feel it and hate this fucking current state my country exists within.
Pretending I’m a (checks your comment) “Nazi” because I pointed to this crazy politician’s words being misconstrued to fit the .ml screeching is surely an answer to the question with which I started this reply.
With those obvious pieces in place: Do you think that someone that’s a murderer or tax cheat or rapist or Nazi or Pedohile (pretty much the entire Republic卐n party) should not be deprorted?
Why should they be deported? You’re begging the question that deportation is the solution to those problems in the first place. You’re also saying this like the point of ICE was ever to catch violent criminals, when it has always been an agency that exists to catch people who haven’t otherwise been processed by the criminal justice system. The violent criminals who happen to be immigrants are already caught and processed by the regular cops who are tasked with dealing with those crimes.
Does deporting anyone actually solve these problems? If they are criminals worthy of detention, would not holding them here work just as well?
I’m not thrilled with the concept of borders, as you might tell.
The only problem you have with fascism is sometimes it accidentally hurts the good people huh
Look, it’s okay if an innocent person is killed from the death penalty. We just need to teach the real murderers that much harder. /s
listen, I’m not going to be an absolutist. When the USSR was dealing with saboteurs and fascist infiltrators there were a lot of innocent people who got singled out by villages that just didn’t like them. I bet a lot of them were just neurodivergent. It bothers me.
But if we’re doing A versus B testing it’s pretty clear what number is bigger and smaller ya know
This is not even in the same universe as what I said.
No but I understand you painting me in that light makes it easier to see the world in black and white and therefore easier to dismiss what I actually said.
Which deportations are good and righteous as you say? What part of ICE has ever been good? Why do you think the solution for immigrants being in your country without papers is to use violence against them, instead of just… letting them apply for paperwork easier?
I will have a good time on lemmy.ml the day I get a reply with enough meat on it I can just reply from my inbox instead of looking at context to see what they’re talking about
In before they go to powertripping bastards because terrible comments were removed?
In the context of US imperialism, yes, deportation is always bad. This country has no right to close its borders.
I have you tagged as .ml moron. I see you lived up to that.
Guess I forgot to block you before.
You go defending fascist policy and then have the thinnest skin lol
Fascists can not stand to interact with even one opinion they disagree with. All discussion must be a circlejerk, even when they go into other communities and spew their horseshit
Fucking yikes.
You might wanna check out what immigration looks like on the easiest setting: https://pluralistic.net/2026/02/06/doge-ball/
This is a photo of my second O-1 (“Alien of Extraordinary Ability”) visa application. It’s 800 pages long:
The next one was 1200 pages long.
Not to demerit this person but O-1 (or EB1) is not the easiest setting at all, they need to demonstrate their “extraordinary ability”, hence the many reports he needs to provide. Easiest setting would be employment based EB2 or EB3
Easiest pathway is CR1(Spousal). Just have to be married to an American for two years. For an employment based green card the timeline is 3 to 4 years (best case scenario, often much longer depending on your country of origin) and you’re almost definitely going to be working for an American company that’s eager to exploit your labor.
Being married to an American, especially in this day and age, is a unique hardship I wouldn’t wish on most but I think it can be stomached for 48 months. I can understand why from a Canadian perspective, in 2026, it would be unpalatable.
Nowhere did I argue that immigration is easy or that the PedoNazis haven’t made it extremely difficult so they can criminalize and target minorities.
People are eager to attribute things to my comment without actually reading the comment. What gives?
Smh people just can’t stand to see a girlboss fascist (who had slaves in the 1980s) succeed
You’re a clown
What the fuck. Are you daft? This confused and made me laugh. A rare combination.
Slaves. In the 1980s. Arkansas governor’s mansion. Look it up.
Imagine going to bat this hard (and failing) for Hilary fucking Clinton lmao
Especially when can just look at contrapoints
After what she did to Libya, why wouldn’t I?
That’s fair. Hillary. Minton is a piece of shit politician but she is not even close to the other pieces of shit that are actually in the Epstein Class.
It’s important to hold politicians accountable. However, twisting their words to fit our argument against fascism is simply playing their game. Doesn’t make us better and we sure as hell don’t win by doing it.
The US public are quite happy with the way things are going at present and even if the Democratic leadership getting back in would do anything they will use the very same mechanisms that have been put in place over the many years of little changes here and there.
If the majority of US citizens where not happy with how things where and what’s happening the government would be in complete shutdown with real strikes from every state … but it is not. This is the real United States.
Hopefully this doesn’t blow your mind but I agree with you.
“humane concentration camps” Here, right here, is how the anti-vegan discourse creeps into fascism. This might as well have been a vegetarian talking about how their eggs “don’t require chick killing”.
This is a stupid metaphor that doesn’t match anything I said.
