For protection in case some crazy dumbass were to walk around with a gun in the neighborhood, I could feel safer at home. I can feel safer. Already have a PAL.
I know body armour is restricted to people who need it in a professional capacity in my province.
That said, if you know of someone wandering around with a gun, you call the cops to report on a known location and put as much distance as possible between you and that location, at speed or find cover and don’t make yourself a target. Thinking you can be the “good guy with a gun” statistically adds to the body count when cops show up.
Body armour is not something that will protect everything form everything. A deranged shooter can disable you with one shot then casually aim the next.
What a PAL have to do with this bud? Self defence isn’t a valid reason to own a firearm.
Do you have a CO detector? Is not go buy one, you’re way more likely to die from that.
Come back once you have that and I’ll give you something else to go buy to protect your life.
I bet we never get to bullet proof vest
Consider therapy.
Also that’s agains the rules of a PAL.
It’s crazy. I was in the hospital as a teen so I’m forever banned from ever obtaining a PAL for target sport but paranoid people who think you can obtain a gun for self defense in Canada can roam around freely fantasizing about using it against other people 🙃
Sounds like you definitely need some kind of therapy, or lesson in respect.
ok, guy. come on now.
Here in Canada we don’t have gunman walking around in everyday life, if your worried about knives and projectiles, just make yourself some DIY level III and sow it into a sweater if your worried about your neighborhood.
I do think wildbus8979 is being a prick regarding your question but this is the internet. if you want anwsers, just ignore loser like them.
I don’t disagree with you. But if Trump wants to cross the border and shoot Canadians, I may need a vest.
You’ll be able to take one off a dead american at rhat point.
Hopefully never comes to any war
Elaborate.
I made myself clear.
You need therapy if you are so afraid of the world outside, in Canada, that you think you need to be wearing a bullet proof vest. Which already should disqualify you from holding a PAL.
Self defense is specifically NOT ALLOWED under PAL rules. You are violating the requirements of your PAL.
While I applaud your effort to set op straight, you reasoning here is convoluted and incorrect.
In short, PALs only govern firearms not vests. Self defense is never a qualifying reason to get your license or a gun, but self defence to defend yourself or another “from greivous bodily harm or death” qualifies as a reason for reasonable and proportionate force. If armed intruders put you or someone else in that specific situation, you can respond with violence using any means available, from the frozen tuna in your nighstand to the gun in its safe in your closet. As long as your application of force is reasonable, proportionate and defensive.
An hypothetical example for illustrated purposes only: armed intruders break into your home. You barricade yourself in your bedroom and lock the door. When they hit your door, you know hiding isn’t an option so you yell to warn them “ive called the police”. They keep busting down the door anyway. You have seconds left.
At this point, presuming you know they are armed, they have instigated a crime against you and you have reasonable fear for your life it is legal to pull the frozen tuna from your bedside freezer, the taxidermied swordfish off the wall, the baseball bat in the corner or a gun that was previously stored in accordance to Canadian regulations. There are many quick access safes designed for these scenarios. The intruder busts through, scans the room with a gun raised and points it at you. You have every right to defend yourself by whatever means are available.
Vests have some provincial restrictions I’m only casually familiar with. BC restricts them, others do not I think. Anyone can correct me. They are legal to buy, own, wear. Many canadian manufacturers are available. They don’t hurt anything but your back and wallet and offer very limited protection. You see tacticool mall ninjas in vests at gun ranges all the time. No violation here.
Firstly I never claimed that a PAL governed vest I said that OP needs mental health help, not a vest.
Secondly I’m well aware of the proportionate force laws in Canada. That doesn’t change the fact that you cannot own weapons for the express purpose of self defense, period.
Consider therapy.
Also that’s agains the rules of a PAL.
How else was anyone supposed to interpret this?
hes just on a high from being right for once, this person doesn’t appear to be all that likeable and is getting a rare win socialy for his prickly nature. his excuses are just cover.
Body armour rules vary by province. In BC, pal or rpal can buy body armour legally.
To be fair, I think this was a lot more clear than your first comment. Certainly it’s more clear for those of us without a PAL.
I actually didn’t know body armour had any relation to a PAL. I thought the body armour restriction was its own thing.
You’re blowing this way out of context, and starting off very rude. I hopefully would never need to wear it.
Also I don’t even have a gun or plan to use one. Its to protect my vital organs, at least a bit of extra percentage, if ever an emergency situation called for one.
Its also one person less for police and military enforcement to have to worry about protecting.
To say if there is someone ramped in my street shooting, maybe because of war, or maybe a deranged shooter, whatever else, and to say I can’t put the armor on because it’s self defense – go fuck yourself.
You’re blowing this way out of context
go fuck yourself
You aren’t making a great case for getting suggested answers from volunteers.
not sure we need to get to that level just yet we don’t have gunmen just walking around here like in the us, just look up a DIY kit for Level III and that should be enough for a long distance strays or sudden not gun projectiles from accidents or knives and the like while keep things flexible if you use the right recipe and make it properly.
few of my friend have some in they’re hunting vests encase they get shot or get clipped for being behind someones sight line past its target, would it stop one of the big rifles rounds, probably not, would it stop it if it went though a tree first at a distance, maybe? it was a big enough maybe that we thought it’d be a good idea.
A gun protects you from someone breaking into your home with a gun…
Body armor is just to try and ensure you live long enough to use it.
If someone actually broke into your home, you’re probably not going to know until they’re inside, and unless you live in a mansion, they’re gonna find every bedroom quickly, before you have the time to wake up and start strapping body armor on 20% of your body.
If you’re talking about a random person walking the streets, not being seen gives you a better chance than even hypothetical full body armor.
Don’t get me wrong, I have body armor. And depending what you want I can give advice. As far buying Canadian tho, a lot of “domestic” body armor companies in every country just import from China, put a couple stitches somewhere, and slap a “built in _____” label on it. Often that’s all they change and mark the price up 100%. Like, it’s just industry standard to lie about that, has been for over a decade.
But what you’re saying you need it for, you don’t really need it.
A gun protects you from someone breaking into your home with a gun…
A gun does no such thing
What protects you from an intruder with a gun then?
Like, I think you mean “protect” like 100% safe.
Nothing is 100% safe in that scenario, obviously that includes having your own gun.
Like, a condom protects you from STDs and unwanted pregancies…
But not 100% of the time.
It’s mitigating risk, almost no safety measure we have is 100% effective for anything.
Like, an old gypsy woman says you’ll die in a plane crash, so you never board a plane to live forever then a crop duster randomly crashes into your house.
Nothing is safe 100%, and nothing can protect you 100% from anything
If guns mitigated risk, the us would look very different
No guns is 100% better. There’s no debate shit is better up North.
Unless the government is the one you’re afraid of sending masked men with guns into your home…
I hope you guys never have to make the same level of risk assements.
But apparently body armor isn’t even legal in Canada to start with, so this is all off topic anyways so I’m just gonna peace out.
Take care!
It is legal for the most provinces, but most also require a PAL as well.
In my case, I’m not looking to use any gun, just to have the ability do the best practical minimum and protecting my protect my vital organs some.
Like you said, it’s not 100%. Ok.
I hopefully never need to wear it. It’s more in case if ever an emergency situation. And one less person for police and military enforcement to worry about.
It just doesn’t cover as much as people think and really expensive unless you get surplus vests which can be cheap.
Take some first aid classes instead, knowing what to do and having the supplies to help will make you feel better and is more likely to be useful in and out of your home, and for things other than gun violence.
If you own your home, for the price of a new vest you can get an exterior grade door installed on a closet/bathroom/basement and have a super cheap safe room that would work way better at not being shot at all.
But think about the chances of someone being in your home with a gun, and just shooting you a few times only in the vest. As morbid as it is, why would they just stop instead of finish shooting you?
Like, even just jumping out a window and running would be a better option than a vest. If you can’t do that because of a family, what is one vest solving? We’re back to a safe room being better.
This is this best response here!
Thank you for that. Well shared and practical response.
Having a small super safe room does sound ideal!!!
Canadaians own guns you doofus
You may not understand any part of the conversation, but you’re upset and want people to know both things…
I want people to know the truth? Yes
