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Please make this the industry expected.
It’s nice to get confirmation, though I really can’t believe it had to be said. Sign of the times, I guess.
If they release one with a headphone jack I’m 100% sold.
Will banking apps and NFC pay finally work?
Doesn’t that depend on google play services? If so, “probably not, but then again it works currently if you install play services on a separate user profile (or on your main, defeating the purpose of grapheneOS to begin with but more power to you).”
Tell google/banks to stop requiring the spyware, they won’t but at least it’s better then telling the secure OS to install just a little spyware just so you don’t need to carry a wallet.
I would still need to be able to use my banking app to check my balance. That’s more than just needing “to carry a wallet.” That’s the difference of more than $450 in mistakes as that’s what happened when i didn’t get a live-update to my account prior to the advent of smartphone banking apps. Fuck 5/3. -a dumpster-fire of a banking organization if i’ve ever seen one.
graphene still sandboxes gplay, even if you use the two profiles for work and home
I think he was saying that installing it on your main user account would be the way that’s pointless.
and i’m saying it’s still sandboxed on the main account leaving a second profile still available for work
I guess I’m confused on how t being sandboxed would stop it from doing it’s tracking thing
It’ll still try, it just wouldn’t have root access. It would just depend on what you allow it access to.
I just got a pixel 10 the moment I heard that Google wants to lock down android and I didn’t want to waste any time. I paid off my Samsung s23 and before even loading my Sim I installed grapheneOS.
I had a motorola G5 before my Samsung but it broke.
At least my Samsung is still intact. I can’t wait to format it and load a prepaid if I need a travel phone.
Holy Hell!
This definitely will be on my shopping list. At the top. I hope they bring to all devices and not only higher end.
This news aligns quite well with the Levovo T series ThinkPad repairability.
Other major tech companies sail towards more and more closed environments.
Does this count for al Motorola phones?
You definitely shouldn’t buy a Motorola now with the hope that Graphene will get added to it in the future. This could apply exclusively to pre-flashed devices, for all we know.
no. most or all of their current offerings are very locked down
When is it gonna come out?
Just take my money!
Oh, they will.
Good, good. Next, tell me there will be a 3.5mm headphone jack, swappable SD card, and user-replaceable battery and we’ll be golden.
I ain’t buying shit if it ain’t got a rotary dial!
There will be a 3.5mm headphone jack, swappable SD card, and user-replaceable battery.
Help, I have turned to gold and cannot move or turn back.
You bastard!
their phones do tend to have that already…
e: at least the lower end ones I’ve had
So interesting to me that it’s the lower end phones that have the features I want
It’s mostly to achieve higher IP ratings, and people with expensive phones also tend to pay for things like cloud storage upgrades and expensive bluetooth earbuds.
Whelp, looks like I’m going to Motorola
Hopefully this initiative sticks, sounds like my next phone (eventually) might just be Motorola/Graphene.
Historically, the problem with Motorola hasn’t been their os, it’s been their hardware, it’s just usually not very good when compared to the competition. And often the price is higher for what you’re getting.
I grant that Motorola may neglect to go top of the line (e.g. there’s no ‘flagship grade’ non-folding phone on offer right now), but price wise, at least in the US, it seems to be in line with other options and the cheaper options are generally motorola.
Is this US or elsewhere? What are the better value competition in the mid-lower range.
As long as they have basic shit like NFC or wireless charging. One of the main reasons I stopped buying them. 2nd was the tablet sized screens.
Motorola was kind of sluggish/selective about those, but they seem to pretty consistently have those features now. Always worth double checking.
Because its grapheneos you will likely have NFC, but whether you have tap-for-payment options will be a crapshoot, especially in North America, unless having an official vendor changes things with grapheneos’s play store integrity issue (which is doubtful).
I never realized you could have NFC and not tap-for-payment support. Is that not how tap-for-payment works?
The apps that enable tap-for-payment ask your bank for permission and some security details to activate using cards for NFC.
In North America, banks won’t give that permission/security info to any android app but google pay, and only if the play store verification thing says the OS is fully secure - and google pretends grapheneos doesn’t hit those security metrics.
So yes, NFC is how tap-for-payment works, but unless NA banks implement it themselves, or trust a 3rd party that isn’t google to implement it, grapheneos phones are blocked from using the tap-for-payment functionality.
That’s… Fucking stupid. But it’s to be expected from greedy, overly powerful tech corporations I suppose.
NFC is just the technology that tap for payment uses, but there are other use cases for it.
Best shot is that EU will make it possible, as they distance themselves from US tech right now.
Its an issue that, currently, banks have to resolve by either developing (see certain EU banks that have done so) or supporting an NFC card management app that doesn’t require the highest level of the google play security thing to function.
I doubt EU legislation can fix this, and I doubt Canadian banks will care enough to do anything to support anything beyond apple pay and google pay.
Tap to pay is whatever but I do use NFC for some home automatons.
What you use for home automation if you’re into open source and security?
I use the term home automation loosely. Mostly I use it for initiating Tasker scripts at home with a single tap.
Do you have tasker on grapheneOS?
I can’t imagine grapheneos shipping on a phone without NFC.
…I wish I had the money to play with homeassistant for random things.
I quite like my Razr. I’m sure if they’re aiming to be a true alternative to the mainstream OSs, they’ll be including many of the mainstream features
I’m skeptical they will bother with the Razr, seems like a lot of work to intelligently use that external screen and Graphene probably doesn’t have the interest to do that. Would be happy to be proven wrong.
I think they supported the pixel fold which has the same sort of second flippy screen thing. I think the multiple screen stuff is just in the aosp base.
I’m old school, I remember when NFC was used for stuff like domotics
One of the largest complaints of Pixels I’ve seen is that they’re too expensive. These will cost twice as much.
I don’t think I have ever heard that for the a series. That if fact, I have always heard that it is just about the best price-value on the market, the downside being that it is google and no SD card slot (which is common now). They use the flagship chip in it still, right?
What? When I was buying my last phone prev gen Pixel cost me 1/3 of what I would have to pay for a Fairphone. It’s the exact opposite, less popular phones with long support are way too expensive compared to Pixel.
I agree, and yet that is the complaint I hear over and over. I don’t understand it, but it is.
Damn, Motorola may really make a comeback with this!
Well yeah. I doubt the GrapheneOS team would allow anything less.
Omg omg. What to do. My old Pix does not fit me anymore. For last 2 month I planned to get new Pix 10 XL. And just out of the blue, this. Should I wait another year for a new Moto?! That’s tempting. Although the first gen of new moto devices might be buggy etc.
Before it was Pixel, the Nexus phones were sometimes made by Moto. I’d wait. They were great phones, and I’ve used moto on Android recently when the pixel prices went too high for my budget at that time. Was very happy with it, and got a lot of use out of it. I don’t expect buggy when graphene support switches.
Moto have been making phones for as long as there has been phones. Software issues would get fixed. I don’t think hardware issues are likely.
The biggest risk is Google being evil and cutting both of them off from the Android source code or refusing to sign the releases. Google already refuse signing releases for GrapheneOS on the pixel.
Google already refuse signing releases for GrapheneOS on the pixel.
Do you mean how you get a special boot screen implying you’re doing something sketchy?
Google signing things is not something we want. We want phones that don’t care if your OS is signed by Google, and banking apps that trust you to pick an OS.
Buy a fairphone
Lemme know when fairphone has a re-lockable bootloader to allow for choice of OS.
One of the main thing id size of phones, pixel has a series which are comparitevely smaller but I dont know if Moto has any small phones. If only moto make a small phone too, it will be awesome
They have folding phones that’s are smallish
I’d rather a 6 inches and under small phone than a folderble.
Nah man i am out. Folding phones dont feel practical to me.
