• يا ليتني كوري شمالي @lemmy.ml
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    Democracy is only as good as the voters. The average Chinese is better educated and a better citizen overall than the average USAmerican. Thus the difference in results. My experience with Chinese and USAians confirm this, even if anecdotal. I could have just missed the bad Chinese and was overexposed to bad USAians.

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    19 hours ago

    Waiting for Liberals to actually have a thought out response to the excellent resources the MLs of this community provide.

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    China is still the world’s leading polluter, in a time where those so-called “scientists” most definitely know what they’re doing contributing to global climate change like they are. No country is innocent, but making no attempt to not be first isn’t a defensible policy position.

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      6 hours ago

      China is still the world’s leading polluter

      This is a rhetorical sleight of hand that conveniently glosses over the actual history of polluting nations.

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      The PRC is leading the world in green energy production, electrification, and combatting desertification. They are the largest polluter because they are the largest producer, if you compare pollution based on consumption then the west is by far the larger polluter.

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      China is the one of the most populated country in the world. It produces about 30% of all manufactured goods many of which is consumed by rest of the world. So yeah there is going to be some pollution. If we take about on a per-person basis countries like the U.S. still emit more. Moreover, China is the largest investor in renewable energy and China alone accounted for roughly 40% of the world’s renewable energy investment.

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      18 hours ago

      previously:

      China is the world’s biggest emitter of carbon gases**

      Yeah, because it’s the second-largest population in the world and it’s producing & exporting the world’s products. You don’t get to de-industrialize, import your products, and then chastise your producers for using more energy than you, when they’re using that energy for you.

      China is also the largest green energy user and producer of green energy technology, which it also exports.

      The Economist: China’s clean-energy revolution will reshape markets and politics

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        Lol. Sorry, one is absolutely perfect and must not have any problems spoken about. Let’s do some more you vs us bullshit (not that I am from either).

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          Lol you’re doing the angry 12 year old thing of throwing up your hands and going “Oh so China must be an absolute perfect heaven on earth, huh?!”

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            The way I see it talked about, that seems to be how a lot of people think. Every time a flaw about China is brought up there will always be someone with paragraphs upon paragraphs of denials. No matter how big or small the flaw.

            Which reeks of people paid to post biased propaganda, and if they’re not being paid that’s just pathetic for defending a government as vehemently as they do.

            I also have not once seen a person simping for China accept a specific criticism.

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          Do you think, perhaps, that there could be a middle ground between “as awful as the US Empire” and “absolutely perfect and must not have any problems spoken about?” Do you think the position “US Empire is awful, China is good but not perfect” can exist, or is that too nuanced?

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          There is no genocide of Uyghurs. Uyghur genocide atrocity propaganda akin to claiming that there’s “white genocide” in South Africa, Christian genocide in Nigeria, or that Hamas sexually assaulted babies in Operation Al-Aqsa Flood.

          In the case of Xinjiang, the area is crucial in the Belt and Road Initiative, so the west backed sepratist groups in order to destabilize the region. China responded with vocational programs and de-radicalization efforts, which the west then twisted into claims of “genocide.” Nevermind that the west responds to seperatism with mass violence, and thus re-education programs focused on rehabilitation are far more humane, the tool was used both for outright violence by the west into a useful narrative to feed its own citizens.

          The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.

          I also recommend reading the UN report and China’s response to it. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.

          Tourists do go to Xinjiang all the time as well. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this.

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              I think you should reread my comment and sources, as they already counter that article. Do you think I haven’t read that wikipedia entry already? It’s the first thing people jump to when trying to prove a genocide, despite being full of holes and referencing Adrian Zenz, or sources relying on Adrian Zenz. Have the basic decency to check out the sources I linked.

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                8 hours ago

                You’re getting downvoted because your points have been thoroughly debunked, and we refuse to accept your fantasies as material reality.