• 𝔼𝕩𝕦𝕤𝕚𝕒@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    41
    ·
    edit-2
    2 days ago

    Cooking? Follow your heart. Sure you can add more butter! A bit of garlic! Shit throw a bay leaf in no one knows wtf it does! Throw in some vodka no one will know, maybe a shot for the chef too, fuck it this is your kitchen!

    Baking? You will follow the fucking instructions like checklist and double check it like submitting an SAT for college approval and the oven will be testing your answers, because unlike your SAT theres no multiple choice or “fill in the blank” only the harsh reality of a zero on your paper and that you didnt add enough butter and now your bread is so blackened and hardened the children are trying to take it from you to build a portal to the Nether.

    I don’t make the rules I just have try again to make my stupid cookies.

    • CentipedeFarrier@piefed.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      I bought a high precision scale that does grams to three decimal places and can handle about a pound (because I don’t know that I won’t need that and if I’m getting something nice, might as well go all in), and switched all my baking to weight-based recipes for exactly this reason. It’s the only way I could get my bread maker to produce a halfway decent loaf without collapsing, but it makes a lot of other things more consistent as well.

      Thankfully, I haven’t any offspring to use my failure to summon forth the end the world, but it did make decent croutons.

  • CXORA@aussie.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    33
    ·
    edit-2
    2 days ago

    Honestly this fear is overblown. Unless you’re making pastries, baking is relatively straightforward and forgiving. Breads, cakes and flatbreads love you and want you to have fun. Experimenting with vegan substitutions, gluten free baking and scaling batch sizes helped me feel much less intimidated by recipes, you learn what role the ingredients are playing and how to adjust if you add too much, too little, or too not the right thing.

    • ryathal@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      15
      ·
      2 days ago

      Baking is pretty forgiving, so many old baking recipes are written with add flour until it looks right as part of the recipe. If your baking sucks it’s most likely super old ingredients or you did something stupid like substitute strawberries for butter.

    • Rooskie91@discuss.online
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      2 days ago

      I think people forget that bread and pasteries used to be cooked in wood fired ovens with no temp control.

    • Tonava@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      Yeah I regularly bake stupid crap, just throw some ingredients together and make some cookies or pie or some eldritch monstrosity. In my experience it’s difficult to actually make something inedible unless you add something that’s already gross

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      Yeah, there’s just more things to understand with baking. Yeast doing biology, acid/base chemistry, plus the whole “do everything at the start and hope you balanced things right because you can’t tweak as you go if it starts getting dry or the flavour balance is off”.

      Or maybe I’ve just gotten lucky with my close enough measurements and substitutions so far.

    • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      IDK, I’ve been having a hell of time trying to make my pizza doughs rise. On the other hand, cookies have been piss-easy, hardest part is that cookie dough is sticky af.

      • iusearchbtw@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        2 days ago

        either your yeast is dead or you’re killing it with water that’s too hot, hard to see why else it wouldn’t rise

        • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          2 days ago

          I always use water straight from the tap (unheated) and I’ve tried several brands of soft and dry yeast. And it’s not like it doesn’t rise at all, but it’s rising much more timidly than what I’ve seen elsewhere and after baking it’s definitely too flat.

        • SpikesOtherDog@ani.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          2 days ago

          Water could be overly chlorinated as well. They could try bottled water or let their municipal water sit out in a mixing bowl for 24 hours.

        • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          2 days ago

          And which is the right water temp? I’ve always used water straight from the (cold) tap. I don’t think it’s overly chlorinated, but it’s very hard water if that’s relevant.

          • pedantichedgehog@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            2 days ago

            110-120 F. I also have hard water in my area and I’ve successfully made yeast doughs. I recommend “blooming” your yeast first even if you’re using instant yeast, which just means mixing your yeast, a bit of sugar (like a tsp per 1 packet of yeast) and the water together and letting it sit for about 10 minutes.

  • chaitae3@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    2 days ago

    The first rule of baking is: accurately follow the recipe.

    The first rule of cooking is: the better the ingredients, the fewer processing steps are necessary.

  • Broadfern@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    11
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    I love baking precisely because it is a science.

    The creativity comes later in the proportions of things like how much icing/filling to make.

    • Jesus_666@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      2 days ago

      Yeah. Baking is chill because the ingredients are effectively standardized and fungible so if you just follow the steps it’s hard to screw up. You usually only heat the baked good once and that happens in isolation.

      Meanwhile, cooking is anarchy. Just because one piece of chicken breast took five minutes on medium heat doesn’t mean that the next one will. You constantly have to monitor and adapt to changing conditions and everything from ingredients to measurements to the very steps of the recipe itself is up for negotiation. And you have to do half the steps while heating the meal and if you ever take too long for something you burn it and it’s ruined.

      When I bake I’m relaxed. When I cook I’m in nonstop crisis management mode.

      • Ephera@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        2 days ago

        I’ve found that cooking with lots of veggies, kind of towards East Asian cuisine, is a lot less crisis management.

        You can chop your veggies in whatever pace you want, before you start heating anything. Just put them into individual bowls until you’re ready.

        But you even can start boiling some water and then later throw in rice+lentils, and it doesn’t require much multi-tasking either, because rice+lentils doesn’t need much attention while cooking.
        You can generally just set a timer and once that goes off, pause chopping veggies to turn off the heat. Your veggies can’t get burnt while you do that either, so you can also take however long you need with that. 🙃

        • redhorsejacket@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          2 days ago

          Are you boiling your rice and lentils together? Does that work? What variety of lentils? Rice? This could be a game changer for my “too lazy to do more than boil water” nights.

          • Ephera@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            2 days ago

            I do, yeah. I also saw this sentence on Wikipedia earlier today, so I don’t think I’m alone in that:

            [Lentils] are frequently combined with rice, which has a similar cooking time.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lentil

            And I mean, if you time it right, I imagine you can cook any combination of rice and lentil varieties together.
            Well, except beluga lentils, as those turn the water black, which dyes the rice into a rather unappetizing color. 🥴

            But if you’re lazy, then I’d generally recommend split lentils. They get their hull removed, which makes cooking them much quicker. You’re also normally supposed to pre-soak lentils and pour the water out, to make them more nutritious and less farty, which you don’t have to do for split lentils.

            In the shops, you will usually find “red lentils” and sometimes “yellow lentils”, which are split lentils. If they look not quite round and a bit frizzy, then they are split lentils. Like this:

            Split red lentils

            And then, yeah, white rice, Basmati rice or Jasmin rice is usually close enough to their cooking time. But both, rice and lentils, don’t need insanely precise cooking times anyways, so a few minutes difference is usually still no problem.

            Non-split lentils and brown rice or wild rice also have similar cooking times.

            My personal staple is Basmati + split red lentils.

            Note: I’m not a huge rice expert and had to actually read up on some of the differences just now. If something seems off, I’m probably just dumb. 🫠

            • redhorsejacket@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              2 days ago

              What’s your go to seasoning blend for a basic dish? Sorry for the game of 20 questions, but lentils aren’t the staple in my region that they are elsewhere. I want to be more versatile in how I use them (and other legumes). I’ve got red beans and rice on lock, and I made a mean pot of frijoles charro last night, but, to date, lentils are basically nothing more than a way to bulk out ground meat recipes like taco meat or sloppy joes. I could stand to learn how to enjoy them in a more naked form, so to speak.

              • silico_biomancer@lemmy.nz
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                edit-2
                2 days ago

                Mujadara/megadara is a classic lentil+rice dish. I love it. At its core, it’s burnt/heavily caramalised onions, brown lentils, rice, salt. Cumin is a must imo, along with a pinch of cinnamon. Add a pinch of baking soda to the onions 2 mins into cooking them, and they’ll caramalise way faster

              • Ephera@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 day ago

                Unfortunately, I too am from a region that does not really value lentils. We have a singular lentil dish that’s really popular here, but hardly anything beyond that.

                The dish also hardly uses seasoning. 🫠
                Very basically, you cook some brown lentils and separately, make a roux. Then combine the two. Add salt, a bayleaf and a splash of vinegar. Eat with soft noodles.

                As for non-regional recipes that I’m aware of:

                • Lentil curry is great. You can basically just make a normal curry and replace whatever protein you’d use with lentils.
                • The Indian cuisine has tons of dishes under the term “dal”. I believe, that word does just mean “split lentils”, but you will find lots of recipes with that term anyways.
                  To my knowledge, what many(/most?) of these recipes also share is that they overcook split lentils until they disintegrate and you’re left with a creamy base, which you can then pimp with all kinds of spices.
      • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        2 days ago

        Probably why I love cooking. I enter a flow state and I get constant sensory feedback in sizzle level and aroma and color. The closer cooking gets to baking (making rice, cooking a roast, etc) the less fun it is.

        Granted, I’m probably biased by a culinary upbringing, years in a restaurant kitchen, and some variety of undiagnosed AuDHD, but I thrive in constant crisis management mode. It’s just so much fun. Baking is so boring, and there’s so little room for improvisation.

      • smiletolerantly@awful.systems
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        2 days ago

        Yes… But also you do need feeling/experience/skill. For example, one of the bread recipes I’m still often making, I’ve been using completely unchanged since I started learning how to make bread. The ingredients (flour, water, yeast/sourdough, salt) and their amounts have not changed.

        Yet the result today is far better and more consistent than back then.

        That’s because time, room temperature, humidity,… are just as important. And before you say “that, too, is chemistry”: yes, it is, but these are not variables most people can accurately measure or influence in a scientific way.

        Instead, you quickly develop an intuition for how these things relate and come together.

        A skill, so to speak.

  • RebekahWSD@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    ·
    2 days ago

    The only dough that knows my fears was the hamantaschen but every since I started only using King Arthur flour, they’ve never failed again.

    Not sponsored

    (But if they want to sponsor me, I’m open to this)