The ARC Prize organization designs benchmarks which are specifically crafted to demonstrate tasks that humans complete easily, but are difficult for AIs like LLMs, “Reasoning” models, and Agentic frameworks.
ARC-AGI-3 is the first fully interactive benchmark in the ARC-AGI series. ARC-AGI-3 represents hundreds of original turn-based environments, each handcrafted by a team of human game designers. There are no instructions, no rules, and no stated goals. To succeed, an AI agent must explore each environment on its own, figure out how it works, discover what winning looks like, and carry what it learns forward across increasingly difficult levels.
Previous ARC-AGI benchmarks predicted and tracked major AI breakthroughs, from reasoning models to coding agents. ARC-AGI-3 points to what’s next: the gap between AI that can follow instructions and AI that can genuinely explore, learn, and adapt in unfamiliar situations.
You can try the tasks yourself here: https://arcprize.org/arc-agi/3
Here is the current leaderboard for ARC-AGI 3, using state of the art models
- OpenAI GPT-5.4 High - 0.3% success rate at $5.2K
- Google Gemini 3.1 Pro - 0.2% success rate at $2.2K
- Anthropic Opus 4.6 Max - 0.2% success rate at $8.9K
- xAI Grok 4.20 Reasoning - 0.0% success rate $3.8K.
(Logarithmic cost on the horizontal axis. Note that the vertical scale goes from 0% to 3% in this graph. If human scores were included, they would be at 100%, at the cost of approximately $250.)
https://arcprize.org/leaderboard
Technical report: https://arcprize.org/media/ARC_AGI_3_Technical_Report.pdf
In order for an environment to be included in ARC-AGI-3, it needs to pass the minimum “easy for humans” threshold. Each environment was attempted by 10 people. Only environments that could be fully solved by at least two human participants (independently) were considered for inclusion in the public, semi-private and fully-private sets. Many environments were solved by six or more people. As a reminder, an environment is considered solved only if the test taker was able to complete all levels, upon seeing the environment for the very first time. As such, all ARC-AGI-3 environments are verified to be 100% solvable by humans with no prior task-specific training
They get 85% on the last benchmark, this one was specifically designed to stump them, when the last one came out everyone said the same things as this go around.
will anyone be retracting their statements when they get to 85% on this one?
So they already have AGI? Why doesn’t it solve new problems then? Bunch of bullshit, they’re just adjusting their models to the “benchmarks” to get more VC funding
I can’t see AI actually being intelligent until they no longer need to send a built up prompt of guides and skills and the chat history on every submission.
It’s no different from Alexa 15 years ago with skills. Just a better protocol and interface and ability to parse the current user prompt.
In my opinion of course.
Ya i agree. The whole infrastructure of how these work is flawed for a true AI/AGI.
It might be able to do a lot of cool things, but its fundamentally flawed at its core.
Someone will need to figure out something completely different for a true AI.
Oh also, I remember Elon once talked about how the upcoming cars would get bored when they weren’t doing anything with all that compute while parked so they could do use that compute and pay people for it.
Paying for the compute isnt a terrible idea in the future, but become bored? LOL. Fucking crazy talk.
Like even if it was a true AI that could be bored. You’re now going to enslave it to do what you want on its free time?
Yeah, if it’s got the capacity to be bored it’s not going to stick around waiting for you. Pets act out when bored, as will AI, better to let the ghost in the machine go have fun in an arcade or something.
Current models can pretend to be bored when directed to, but they’re only facsimiles of thought at the moment, and the current approach probably won’t change that.
Right? I have a Google Home Mini in our kitchen and if we ask it a question it just pulls a source from a website and tells us. That’s it. Nothing intelligent about it.
AI now is no different. It’s just pulling more complex wording from more (albeit illegally) sources to give a (albeit sometimes incorrect) better description of the question asked.
AI is just as stupid as Alexa is/was 15 years ago. It just has more information to pull from and still fucks it up.
LLM’s are just very well-read morons.
I know lemmy’s very anti-ai but this is really fascinating stuff.
We’re anti-AI because AI is fucking stupid. Both literally and figuratively.
It really isn’t. But you do you boo.
Someone else in the comments said it perfectly. AI is just data regurgitation. It’s like calling me highly intelligent because I read you a paragraph from Wikipedia. I didn’t know anything. I just read a thing and said it out loud.
No. You’re not just wrong, you’re aggressively uninformed.
By you repeating the same tired “AI is just regurgitating data” line makes it clear you don’t understand what you’re criticizing. Calling large language models “AI” the way you are doing it just exposes that you do not know what you are talking about. It is like a creationist smugly saying “orangutang” instead of “orangutan” and thinking they sound informed. You are not demonstrating insight. You are advertising ignorance.
What you’re describing, reading a paragraph off Wikipedia, is literal retrieval. That is not how modern language models operate. They are not databases with a search bar attached. They are probabilistic systems trained to model patterns, structure, and relationships across massive datasets. When they generate a response, they are not pulling a stored paragraph. They are constructing output token by token based on learned representations.
If it were just regurgitation, you would constantly see verbatim copies of training data. You do not. What you see instead is synthesis. Concepts are recombined, abstracted, and adapted to context. The system can explain the same idea multiple ways, shift tone, handle novel prompts, and connect ideas that were never explicitly paired in the source material. That is fundamentally different from reading something out loud.
Your analogy fails because it assumes nothing is being transformed. In reality, transformation is the entire mechanism. Information is compressed into weights and then expanded into new outputs.
Is it human intelligence. No. Is it perfect. No. But reducing it to “just reading Wikipedia out loud” is not skepticism. It is a basic failure to understand how the technology works.
If you are going to criticize something, at least learn what it is first.
Counterpoint: Why should they learn about it?
It is a good thing to reduce ignorance, but there is more to learn in the world than there is time to learn or space in the brain. People must specialise.
You must accept that not everyone will understand everything, and this is okay.
The nature of a Large Language Model is very specialist knowledge, data regurgitation is apt from a distance, especially when most publically available models are primarily used for search.
Criticism must be accepted, even from those who do not understand, so long as it’s in good faith. It is after all an opportunity to reduce ignorance to someone with the time and interest to learn.
Don’t rudely lord your intelligence over someone else, it might not end well, and invalidates the delivery of your entire argument.
The reason he should learn about it is because he’s talking about it as though he’s informed and he is not.
I don’t have to be a LLM programmer working at openai to have a working knowledge of how these machines function. It’s literally just a Google search.
He made an unreasonable ignorant comment and I called him out. He should feel ashamed and I have absolutely no reason to pad down what I’m saying under the guise of being nice.
This might be the most comprehensive comment I’ve ever read about someone saying how utterly stupid they are to the world. It’s incredibly impressive how articulate you described your absolute lack of critical thinking.
It’s almost like intentionally shooting yourself in the nuts, and openly releasing the video of it saying you promote gun safety.
Calling an llm a Wikipedia regurgitator is factually and objectively incorrect.
Is there anything that you can say to refute the facts that I presented in my above comment?
(I rolled my eye so hard at your comment that I pulled my back out)
You’re discounting the fact that a human reading Wikipedia will attribute intonation and tone to the text to give further context and meaning. I think the analogy is good. Its not precise but it is the same thing.
I do think AI has a useful purpose and is here to stay. I don’t think it’s groundbreaking like the AI companies want us to think. The bubble will burst and then we’ll see where the cards lie.
OpenAI has lost their lead and I expect they will start to struggle with further funding. There are quite a few warning signs. The price of oil is likely to increase power prices generally and cause construction delays and cost rises. Both will hamper their plans. They still don’t have a viable model for profit.
The analogy is terrible and is not at all, once again, what llms do.
This is an objective fact I have provided evidence to support this.
How are you saying the analogy is good?
Ana analogy does not need to be precise. It expresses a comparison for easier understanding. It is not what LLMs do. However what you’ve expressed is simplified also. So by your standard, it is not useful for the discussion.
So maybe get your head out of your ass and try to understand what people are trying to express instead of correcting them when they are not incorrect.
If precision was of that much importance to you, you would have a different opinion of LLMs.
I tend to be anti-AI because it doesn’t seem to me to be anything other than a super fast regurgitator of data. If a database can be searched for an answer, AI can do that faster than a human. However it doesn’t to seem to be able to take some portion of that database, understand it, and then use that information to solve a novel problem.
Well… It cannot even search databases without errors.
LLMs just produce plausible replies in natural languages very quickly and this is useful in certain situations. Sometimes it helps humans getting started with a task, but as it is now, it cannot replace them. As much as the capital class want it, and sink our money into it.
The better setup generate “semantic embeddings” that try to map how data stored relate to each other (by mapping how to it related within in its own weights and biases). That and knowledge graph look ups in which the links between different articles of data are evaluated in the same way.
The very expensive LLM portion really do just give rough aproximations of information language in that setup
Yes, the key thing is it might have extracted useful info from otherwise confusing data, it might have mixed up info from the data incorrectly or it might have just made it up.
So it can be useful, if you can then validate the info provided in more traditional means, but it’s dubious as a first pass, and sometimes surprisingly bad when it’s a scenario you thought it would work well at.
Tell me again how AGI is just around the corner, Sam
to be fair, he’s not human so he’s just guessing based on his observations earth as a demon
machines will be able to ‘think like humans’ when it happens
Maybe AGI is just a brain-destroying pandemic?
just when he had to shut down sora, because making ai videos is too expensive.
When Sammy fuck says “we’re so close to AGI, I can just feel it. Like a tingle on the tip of my shrimpdick it’s getting so close to blossoming into something guys”, just ignore him. He’s crazy man!
a tingle on the tip of my shrimpdick
mhh that’s erotic ASMR on Youtube
"Like a tingle on the tip of my shrimpdick it’s getting so close to blossoming into something guys”
Wow, that really is something. XD
I’m trying to stretch my creative muscles more XD
It’s almost as if a chatbot isn’t actually thinking.
Grok Reasoning: 0%
Hilarious
Grok isn’t designed to solve problems. It’s designed to create sexually explicit images of children for Republicans…
Reasoning is woke propaganda anyway.
Well, yeah, it’s very good at making weird porn clips though. If anyone wants some very odd entertainment, go to /gif/ on 4chan and look at the reoccurring “/gg/ grok gens” threads. There’s everything from actually impressive and hot videos to the weirdest and most fucked up shit ever, it’s weirdly fun. Never seen anything really bad there, like CP etc. so I can comfortably recommend it for the lols.
Try spelling things phonetically (example: faux net tick alley), that’s one of my benchmarks that AI fails almost every time.
If the input is at all long, or purposefully includes a lot of words about a specific unrelated theme to the coded message, it’s impossible.
Wait, I thought phonetically (example: papa hotel oscar novermber echo tango india charle alfa lima lima yankee) meant using a phonetic alphabet, not using word(s) with the same Soundex encoding.
Yeah, there was some phonics in my primary school education, and I continue to approach new words in that way sometimes. But, they said Phonetically.
Phonetics is the study of speech sounds. The phonetic alphabet is called that because each letter/word in the alphabet was chosen to be one that started with the corresponding phoneme and that the set of words were between them phonetically unambiguous. Phonics is a way of teaching reading and writing that is based on the phonetics of words and how they relate to the written form.
Oh that’s an interesting challenge.
I hear some LLMs now have some solutions for the classic “how many Rs in ‘strawberry’” problem (related to the tokenization processes), but I have no idea how they might solve the phonetic thing. I’m sure some smart people will eventually find a way though
It’s fun to point at the crappy performance of current technology. But all I can think about is the amount of power and hardware the AI bros are going to burn through trying to improve their results.
Funnier yet will be if they continue to just train the model on that particular kind of test, invalidating its results in the process.
This replay is the funniest shit lmao. Keep building that bridge Claude.
https://arcprize.org/replay/0964128b-a2f5-4c5b-886e-497d893f429d
Interesting that it seems to be perceiving the environment mostly accurately, and is just completely wrong about the purpose of all the game objects.
I couldn’t find replays. Are there more? Also, it is a bit funny that “building the bridge” which at one point seems to be Claude’s “chosen goal” is just “running out of moves” and failing the task.
Task failed successfully, Claude. Task failed, successfully.
There’s a column linking to replays in the table of tasks here: https://arcprize.org/tasks
Here’s another reply where the model mistakes running out of time/move for making progress
it’s reasoning log is so fucking funny
My understanding is that Claude is particularly geared towards being a tool for people to use rather than a human replacement. That’s why they had that whole spat with the Pentagon about a human needing to be in the loop.
Ii can thoroughly recommend “A Brief History of Intelligence” (by Max Bennett), which explains how intelligence has taken steps through evolution, what those steps were etc.
Spatial intelligence requires spatial understanding and it’s not something that can be solved through a large language model, IMHO.
I’m excited to see how these are solved. And I’m terrified to see how these will be solved.
As a psychiatrist, I have a theory about what’s missing in AI. First, it lacks childhood dependency and attachments. Second, it struggles to overcome repeated pain and suffering. Third, it lacks regular eating and restroom breaks. Fourth, it struggles to accept loss in everyday situations. Finally, it lacks the concept of our inevitable death. Without these nagging memories and concepts, machines will simply revert to the simpler concepts we use them for in our recent times, such as stealing cryptocurrency. After all, we live in a world run by capitalism, so it’s only logical. ¯\(ツ)/¯
As a technologist, I have to remind everyone that AI is not intelligence. It’s a word prediction/statistical machine. It’s guessing at a surprisingly good rate what words follow the words before it.
It’s math. All the way down.
We as humans have simply taken these words and have said that it is “intelligence”.
As another technologist, I have to remind everyone that unless you subscribe to some rather fringe theories, humans are also based on standard physics.
Which is math. All the way down.
As a philosopher, I have to remind you that humans invented math and physics to model reality.
Humans are not based on physics or math. That would be like saying the earth is based on a globe.
As a mathematician, it should be noted that the mathematics of physics aren’t laws of the universe, they are models of the laws of the universe. They’re useful for understanding and predicting, but are purely descriptive, not prescriptive. And as they say, all models are wrong, but some are useful
As a random person on the Internet I don’t actually have anything to add but felt it would be nice to jump in.
That’s true, but that doesn’t contradict the above comment. Unless you believe in something like a spirit or soul, you must concede that human intelligence ultimately arises from physical matter (whatever your model of physics is). From what we know of science right now, there are no direct reasons for thinking that true intelligence or even consciousness is limited to biological organisms based on carbon and could not arise in silicon.
My point was more so that the argument that humans can be modeled with math & physics implies that LLMs are/could become intelligent, conscious things, since they’re also based on math, is nonsense. These are statistical prediction algorithms; they work nothing like a nervous system or a conscious living being. They can be impressive in narrow use cases, like all ML, but they cannot actually learn or perform novel tasks. I don’t think this rules out the possibility of creating some sort of true artificial intelligence, but the current approaches are structurally unable to ever get there, and the conversation above makes really weak points to the contrary. But this was too many words so I figured my other approach was better for brevity lol
I generally agree, but I kind of wonder whether something like an advanced LLM has a place as a component of an artificial “brain”. We have a language-focused area in our brain, but we have lots of other components of the brain that does all kinds of other things too. Perhaps we’re “just” missing those other things.
I agree, the maths argument is not a good one. While a neural network is perhaps closer to what a brain is than just a CPU (or a clock, as it was compared to in he olden days), it would be a very big mistake to equate the two.
What maths do our memories follow? What about consciousness?
We’re not actually individuals; we’re massive colonies of cells that work in concert. Memories and consciousness are both products of chemical interactions that happen between the cells, and the cells themselves are conglomerates of subatomic particles. Everything about us is determined by particle physics, which can be expressed and predicted mathematically.
The hubris of modern science and medicine is thinking that we know everything about our biology. I contend that we don’t. Can you tell me what’s in my gut microbiome?
No one said we know everything about our biology. But we’re made up of particles, just like everything else. We don’t fully understand those particles either, but it doesn’t make them not real or not subject to the rules reality seems to follow.
They actually make little pills you can swallow to take samples at certain locations a long your digestion, so I suppose I could, given the knowledge and resources. Surgical sampling is also possible.
But I don’t see why it matters because all of the bacteria and archaea present in the body are made up of subatomic particles.
Obligatory xkcd… we’re just meatbags somewhere to the left Purity
On a more serious note, there’s plenty to explore there and there are some potentially interesting links to quantum physics and stuff in our brain, as well as how certain drugs can completely disrupt our consciousness (ever had an operation?) and how it could link up. But there is obviously no definitive answer.
At best consciousness is whatever flavour of philosophical interpretation/explanation you like at any given time.
Philosopher: looks at the mathematician…
Consciousness (the fact of experience) doesn’t necessarily need to be linked to intelligence. It might be but it doesn’t have to. An LLM is almost definitely more intelligent than an insect but it most likely is like nothing to be an LLM but it probably is like something to be an insect.
Isn’t it kind of eery that you can only suppose it must be “like something” to be an insect, from the very precise bias of being human? We’re projecting the idea that “it’s like something to be something [as a human]” only the experience of other things.
How would we describe what it’s like? Would something poetic suffice, such as “it’s like being a leaf in the wind, and with weak preference of where you blow but no memory of where you’ve been.” … but, all of that is human concepts, human experience decomposed into a subset of more human experiences (really weird, the recursive nature of experience and concepts).
I think the idea of “what it’s like…” has some interesting flaws when applied to nonhumans. It kind of presupposes that insects are lesser, in a way. As though we can conceptualize what it’s kind to be them, merely by understanding a stricter subset of what it’s like to be human.
I can only suppose that of other people as well. There’s no way to measure consciousness. The only evidence of its existence is the fact that it feels like something to be me from my subjective perspective. Other humans behave the way I do so I assume they’re probably having similar experiences but I have no idea what it’s like to be a bat for example.
However, answering the question “what it’s like to be” is not relevant here. What’s relevant is that existence has qualia at all.
However, answering the question “what it’s like to be” is not relevant here. What’s relevant is that existence has qualia at all.
Does existence “have qualia?” That treats qualia almost like it’s ontological, if I’m interpreting you correctly. Yet, qualia can only exist from the perspective of a being with the capacity to model a (seemingly external) world via said qualia. There is no magic qualia sauce we can embed inside something.
Qualia, I think, is a process of information reduction… but also it’s a flavor of information interrogation. Because, reducing electromagnetic radiation to “visual perception” happens inside light sensors too — albeit without counting as “qualia.”
What would you say counts as “qualia?” Or rather, what are its dependencies?
Few of countless dictionary definitions for intelligence:
- The ability to acquire, understand, and use knowledge.
- The ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations
- The ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one’s environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (such as tests)
- The act of understanding
- The ability to learn, understand, and make judgments or have opinions that are based on reason
- It can be described as the ability to perceive or infer information; and to retain it as knowledge to be applied to adaptive behaviors within an environment or context.
There isn’t even concensus on what intelligence actually means yet here you are declaring “AI is not intelligence” what ever that even means.
Artificial Intelligence is a term in computer science that describes a system that’s able to perform any task that would normally require human intelligence. Atari chess engine is an intelligent system. It’s narrowly intelligent as opposed to humans that are generally intelligent but it’s intelligent nevertheless.
I mean, every one of those definitions do not apply to LLMs.
You’re more precisely right, but also the aforementioned person is not wrong. Intelligence is a broad term as we’re discovering. Truth is, we don’t have the language to effectively communicate about AGI in the ways we’d like to. We don’t know if consciousness is a prerequisite to truly generalizable intelligence, we don’t even know what consciousness is, we don’t know what dimensions truly matter here. Is intelligence a dimension of consciousness, meaning you can have some intelligence without being conscious? What’s the limit, why? … We need some discovery around the taxonomy/topology of consciousness.
As a therapist, I can tell you the only thing holding LLMs back from true intelligence is having to pee and poop. Peeing and pooping is the foundation of all higher level operations. I poured water on my PC and the LLM I was running said “I think” right before committing suicide
As someone who knows a thing or two about biology I think LLMs strip away >90% of what makes animals think.
I was arguing against it being an intelligence because it lacked the suffering and past experiences that define intelligence. Without pain and suffering, what are we? Not for it being intelligent.
I think you’re conflating intelligence and consciousness. Pain and suffering requires consciousness but intelligence does not imply pain or suffering or happiness. LLMs are already “intelligent” to a certain degree in some aspects, though not generally intelligent like humans. But there is no reason to believe that you couldn’t have a generally intelligent artificial agent that lacks consciousness and thus can feel no pain or suffering.
It’s something like folks calling a mirror intelligent.
Here is a way of describing what I see as ‘the problem’:
An LLM cannot forget things in its base training data set.
Its permanent memory… is totally permanent.
And this memory has a bunch of wrong ideas, a bunch of nonsensical associations, a bunch of false facts, a bunch of meaningless gibberish.
It has no way of evaluating its own knowledge set for consistency, coherence, and stability.
It literally cannot learn and grow, because it cannot realize why it made mistakes, it cannot discard or ammend in a permanent way, concepts that are incoherent, faulty ways of reasoning (associating) things.
Seriously, ask an LLM a trick question, then tell it it was wrong, explain the correct answer, then ask it to determine why it was wrong.
Then give it another similar category of trick question, but that is specifically different, repeat.
The closer you try to get it toward reworking a fundamental axiom it holds to that is flawed, the closer it gets to responding in totally paradoxical, illogical gibberish, or just stuck in some kind of repetetive loop.
… Learning is as much building new ideas and experiences, as it is reevaluating your old ideas and experiences, and discarding concepts that are wrong or insufficient.
Biological brains have neuroplasticity.
So far, silicon ones do not.
Are you anthromorphizing word suggester into a being experiencing things?
No.
As a random internet user, I want to remind you, are we sure even if humans are that intelligent to begin with? All those steps you give, are not needed for intelligence.
We keep moving the goal post for what intelligence is, and last I saw we have started to divide intelligence into different categories.
LLMs are just “imitate as closely as possible human responses” for good and for bad. And now we are trying to fix that to be as right as possible, when the flaw is that we as humans are mostly always wrong.
it lacks childhood dependency and attachments.
Isn’t general intelligence, or more broadly “consciousness,” a prerequisite to that? How would you make an unconscious machine more conscious merely by making mock scenarios that conscious beings necessarily experience?
it struggles to overcome repeated pain and suffering
That’s getting into phenomenology — why is pain an experience of suffering at all? How would you give it pain and suffering without having already made it AGI? We’re still missing the
<current-form> -> AGIstep.it lacks regular eating and restroom breaks
The necessity of which is emergent from our culture and biology, as conscious social beings. We’re still missing a vital step.
it struggles to accept loss in everyday situations
What is “loss” and “everyday situations” if not just a way we choose to see the world, again as conscious beings.
it lacks the concept of our inevitable death
How do you give it a “concept” at all?
these nagging memories and concepts
The AI in its current form has the “memory” in some form, but perhaps not the “nagging.” What should do the “nagging” and what should be the target of the “nagging?” How do you conceptually separate the “memory” and the “nagging” from the “being” that you’re trying to create? Is it all part of the same being, or does it initialize the being?
We’re a long way away from AGI, IMO. The exciting thing to me, though, is I don’t think it’s possible to develop AGI without first understanding what makes N(atural)GI. Depending how far away AGI is, we could be on the cusp of some deeply psychologically revealing shit.
Completely agree with all of this.
Especially the last part.
We don’t even understand our brains, our own minds, we still can’t fully agree on what consciousness or sentience… even… are.
We’re certainly making progress on those fronts… but we are a very, very far distance from the finish line.
That finish line would be like… we solved Psychology, we solved Neuroscience, we have a Grand Unified Theory of Mind, etc.
The major thing AI lacks is continuous parallel “prompting” through a variety of channels including sensory, biofeedback, and introspection / meta-thought about internal state and thinking.
AI currently transforms a given input into an output. However it cannot accept new input in the middle of an output. It can’t evaluate the quality of its own reasoning except though trial and error.
If you had 1000 AIs operating in tandem and fed a continuous stream of prompts in the form of pictures, text, meta-inspection, and perhaps a simulation of biomechanical feedback with the right configuration, I think it might be possible to create a system that is a hell of an approximation of sentience. But it would be slow and I’m not sure the result would be any better than a human — you’d introduce a lot of friction to the “thought” process. And I have to assume the energy cost would be pretty enormous.
In the end it would be a cool experiment to be part of, but I doubt that version would be worth the investment.
It could also be that it lacks the machinery to feel any emotions at all. You don’t (normally) have to train people to be afraid of bears or heights or loneliness or boredom. You also don’t (normally) have to train people to have empathy or compassion.
I argue that our obsession with AI is, itself, a misalignment with our environment; it disproportionately tickles psychological reward centers which evolved under unrecognizably different circumstances.
I guess you don’t have children.
You absolutely do have to train them to be afraid of bears, heights, and every fucking thing you can imagine. You absolutely do have to teach them empathy and compassion. There may be some nugget of instinct, but without reinforcement it might as well not exist.
Hah, okay, you got me there. From my understanding, though, that’s mostly because kids are still figuring out what’s “normal”, so their fear instinct isn’t nearly as strong. I guess I should’ve stuck to the more instinctive sources of fear…
Regardless, that’s not really my point. My point is an LLM doesn’t rely on machinery in the same way that a human brain does. That doesn’t make AI “worse” or “better” overall, but it does make it an awful replacement for other humans.
You don’t (normally) have to train people to be afraid of bears or heights or loneliness or boredom. You also don’t (normally) have to train people to have empathy or compassion.
So what are you implying about people who don’t experience these?
What am I implying? That their machinery is abnormal and they likely need assistance to live normal, healthy lives. That’s literally why the fields of psychiatry and psychology exist: healthy people don’t need doctors and therapists. Do you disagree?
Introverts exist, and are… very often fine with solitude, prefer it generally over socializing.
But they are generally fine at participating in society and living normal lives.
Healthy people… do need doctors … and therapists.
A person can outwardly appear to be healthy… and actually not be.
Preventative medicine, regular checkups, your body changes as you grow, and habits you develop in your youth may need significant reworking.
Therapy can give otherwise healthy people a method of exploring their inner selves more fully or more consistently… they can teach them frameworks for understanding and dealing with other kinds of people, for being better able to deal with kinds of trauma they have not yet experienced.
Also… same with physical health… people with some nascent mental problems or patterns forming… probably won’t be obvious to a non specialist, untill it gets more severe.
Introverts exist, and are… very often fine with solitude, prefer it generally over socializing.
Definitely! I am one :) but I still desire the presence of friends from time to time (and usually in small groups).
A person can outwardly appear to be healthy… and actually not be.
Yup! There’s always a nonzero chance you’re not as healthy as you think you are (let’s call it the quantum theory of health: everyone is in a superposition of being both healthy and unhealthy at the same time), especially as we change due to age, making us unfamiliar with our own bodies… I’d tell you about my own challenges here, but that’d be TMI.
And, yes, that’s why we go to regular checkups with someone who has a better perspective to judge “healthiness” (side note: doctors aren’t perfect, so visiting them too frequently can be worse than never at all; there’s a “healthy” cadence to checkups).
Therapy can give otherwise healthy people a method of exploring their inner selves more fully or more consistently…
This boils down to the definition of “healthy”. It even becomes a philosophical question that’s really hard to answer… Is it healthy to live a sedentary lifestyle? Is it healthy to exercise too much? Is it healthy to not know TIPP, in case you (or a loved one) gets a panic attack? Is it healthy to ignore yourself? Ignore others? Is it healthy to mention quantum superposition in a conversation about health? ;)
But, yes, I agree. Life’s as messy and diverse and as hard to sum up as everybody whose ever lived, but yet we carry on … I hope that’s healthy.
Edit: typo, and missing a hint that I’m making a joke about me over-generalizing physics concepts
My entire point is that you are just overgeneralizing, in general, and saying rather silly things.
Fair enough; the Internet is a silly place full of distracted, armchair philosophers. However, my entire point was that an LLM doesn’t rely on machinery in the same way that a human brain does. That doesn’t make AI “worse” or “better” overall, but it does make it an awful replacement for humans.
If human scores were included, they would be at 100%, at the cost of approximately $250
Wait, why did it cost real humans $250 to pass the test?
I assume it’s an hourly wage or something. Just because humans can work for free if they choose, doesn’t mean they have no cost associated with them. Just like a company could choose to give away unlimited tokens, those tokens still have a standard cost.
it’s also an odd metric since only 20-60% of the humans completed it. Very 60% of the time they complete it everytime energy.
Ideally they’d run the bots multiple times through (with no context or training of previous run), but I guess that is cost prohibitive?
Yeah, this is what I was going to call out. Calling it “100% solvable by humans” and saying “if human scores were included, they would be at 100%” when 20-60% of humans solved each task seems kinda misleading. The AI scores are so low that I don’t think this kind of hyperbole is necessary; I assume there are some humans that scored 100%, but I would find it a lot more useful if they said something like “the worst-performing human in our sample was able to solve 45% of the tasks” or whatever. Given that the AIs are still scoring below 1%, that’s still pretty dark.
That is how much individual testing humans cost when you buy them in bulk.
If there had been a “Buy 10, Get 1 free” they could’ve used 11 humans instead of 10 for the same $250.
Youd have to eat $250 worth of burgers to pass it.
This is my rough upper-bound estimate based on the Technical Report. Human participants were paid to complete and evaluate the tasks at an average fixed fee of $128 plus $5 for solved tasks. So if a panel of humans were tasked with solving the 25 tasks in the public test set, it would be an average of $250 per person. Although, looking at it again, the costs listed for the LLMs is per task, so it would actually be more like $10 per human per task. In any case it’s one or two orders of magnitude less than the LLMs.
Participants received a fixed participation fee of $115–$140 for completing the session, along with a $5 performance-based incentive for each environment successfully solved
Because I ain’t doing this shit for free.
Can’t wait for this to be the new captcha.
“Leaderboard” where rank one scores 0.3% success lol
