Europe is rolling out measures to keep data local and reduce reliance on foreign tech.
    • mriormro@lemmy.zipEnglish
      1·
      1 hour ago

      You can use something and still not trust something.

      What point are you trying to make?

      • kungfuratte@feddit.orgEnglish
        1·
        14 minutes ago

        I can spell it out for you:

        People recognize the problem, but don’t take appropriate action.

  • zebidiah@lemmy.caEnglish
    21·
    3 hours ago

    I trust Chinese firms more than American ones…

    If I’m going to ask for ai help because I don’t know how to do basic coding, I’m asking deepseek instead of clammy sam Altman bot

      • Brummbaer@pawb.socialEnglish
        41·
        5 hours ago

        Of course.

        Personally I have given up on that. I try to either use false information when they don’t need the real data or throwaway" emails and SEPA and one time credit card numbers for banking stuff.

        I don’t trust any company with my data ever, so I’m constantly paranoid in a way.

      • zebidiah@lemmy.caEnglish
        11·
        3 hours ago

        Okay but what’s the risk if the cccp will find out I can’t write a fucking yaml for the life of me?

        • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          4·
          2 hours ago

          They can hold it against you if they take over whatever country you are from.

          Your job chip implant will make you a delivery boy instead of a programmer.

        • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          2·
          2 hours ago

          Let me put things this way: after my last AliExpress purchase I was targetted for the first time in my life by a PayPal fishing phone call from India (starting with a pre-recorded message in my native language but then switching to some guy speaking English with an Indian accent).

          Somebody I know has been targetted twice by “you package is awaiting at customs” phishing messages after making purchases at AliExpress.

          Maybe coincidence, maybe AliExpress is having their trade payment processing ops outsourced to somebody that sells it to people that will use it to fraudulently pass themselves as a natural entity involved in the purchase process (like PayPal or the destination country’s Customs) or maybe AliExpress themselves sell that data. Judging by the amount of outright fraudulent sales claims there (the capacity of any power storage devices is at times hilarious, as is the output wattage of solar panels and storage capacity of external SSDs), my bet is the latter, though if it’s not that totally not giving a shit about the risk of the second possibility is almost a certainty.

          That kind of “why should I care” bullshit you’re peddling is exactly the same kind of bullshit that was peddled a decade and a half ago about having one’s e-mail with Google, and look at were we are now.

          Unless you’re stupidly isolated from it (not even giving them your e-mail), you’re going to leak stuff that can be used against you, even if only by criminals (and the authorities in China couldn’t give a rat’s arse about their people swindling or stealing from laowai).

          Like in the US, it’s going to be “Free Enterprise” abusing data about even if the local authorities don’t really care about you.

          • PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            2 hours ago

            In this case, you use common sense and be suspicious of anyone with a foreign accent making unsolicited phone calls…especially those with Indian accents. The ones you should look out for are the scams that involve AI spoofing a family member’s voice.

            • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              2·
              1 hour ago

              The less info about you is out there, the less handles they have to pass themselves for those who can legitimatelly ask money from you or which control access to your money, be they family, friends, your bank, the government and so on.

              They can’t spoof a family member’s voice if they don’t know who is your family or have access to samples of their voice - both things often obtainable via Facebook and would also be obtainable via a Chinese equivalent one might be tempted to use instead.

              Anyways, my point is that Chinese companies are inherently no more trustworthy than American ones, they’re just not as bad yet because they don’t yet have the same access to masses and masses of personal information for people all over the World - once they do, they’ll be just as bad because regulations in China are also shit and they don’t give a damn about foreigners.

  • IratePirate@feddit.orgEnglish
    55·
    10 hours ago

    To be fair, I don’t trust European companies with it either. As the saying goes: “Where there’s a trough, there will be pigs.” Want to keep your data safe? Keep it.

    • Obi@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      231·
      9 hours ago

      Yes, bit wary of these current trends that try to paint Europe as this holier than thou place where everyone only thinks about the polar bears and UBI, when the truth is we have plenty of capitalist sharks in our ranks that would be happy burning it all down for the next quarterly results.

      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        8 hours ago

        To be fair, we have the GDPR in Europe, which puts people at ease. However, this could be weakened or rid of entirely in order for the EU to become more “competitive” some day. Even the climate change goals of the EU has already been weakened so that we could catch up to the AI race. As sad as it is, it’s just the realpolitik influencing decisions.

        • Tiresia@slrpnk.netEnglish
          141·
          6 hours ago

          The EU keeps coming within inches of voting for making secure encryption impossible. Chat Control would have been worse for privacy than anything the US has.

          • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            1·
            2 hours ago

            Don’t pretend like Chat Control is ever going to get through.

            Each time they are going to vote it down, it gets retracted and changed slightly so they can try again. And every time it gets voted down again.

            Politicians know that they would get out-voted in the next election if they go through with it.

          • Attacker94@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 hours ago

            Iirc they just passed something that enforced the opposite to chat control to stop the constant reintroduction of the same over reaching law

        • JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.netEnglish
          7·
          6 hours ago

          And every year new open mass surveillance worse than the UK and US attempts to be passed and barely fails.

          GDPR also doesn’t mean shit if it is barely enforced against large companies or the fines aren’t revenue-proportional… Then it is just a cost of doing business.

          • CAVOK@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            3 hours ago

            Let me assure you that in the large companies I’ve worked with, GDPR is taken very seriously.

  • shirasho@feddit.onlineEnglish
    43·
    12 hours ago

    I live in the US and I dont trust US companies with my data either. They either sell it or are handled by easily exploitable systems developed offshore in India.

    So, in that sense I do not trust the US, China, India, or Russia with my data and avoid software developed in any of these places when feasibly possible.

    • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      4·
      5 hours ago

      Even FOSS software? The Linux Foundation’s headquartered in the US.

      I do get the rationale, but honestly you could just change that to “proprietary software” and you’d have more options with just as much data security.

  • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.worldEnglish
    62·
    13 hours ago

    As someone born and living in the US, I also don’t trust the US or China… or pretty much anyone with my data.