"This is a watershed moment. " No it isn’t. Talk is changing nothing. Vite, speak out, denounce this bafoon and anyone stupid enough to still support this self enriching egotistical blight.
He not the ‘Antichrist’ because that isn’t real. He’s just a destructive, greedy cunt that needs stopping.
True that there is no antichrist but the god botherers believe there is. They are trying really hard to make it real by picking someone to play that role. After all they willingly wear his mark on their forehead.
Do not interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.
Exactly, I don’t believe in any of those fairy tales, but Christians do, so I still want every Christian to see this:
The thing is they already know. The evangelicals in his inner circle are grooming him to be the beast from revelations so they can force start their end times prophesy. This is all deliberate and pointing it out is exactly what they want.
Just to be clear. This is what Christians want. They want the world to end and they want everyone but them to suffer for eternity so they can feel smug. It’s all made up fairy tales but it’s what they want.
This is what a subset of Christians want.
No I don’t. I don’t want the world to end, and I certainly don’t want anyone to suffer. Most Christians don’t. The fact that these sickos do, should be a glaring sign that they’re not following Christ. In fact, I’ve heard of supposedly “Christian” MAGAts complaining to their pastor after a sermon that that shit is too liberal, too woke, and doesn’t work. These conservatives preach the polar opposite of what Jesus taught.
If you want the biblical view on this, here’s what Thessalonians 2 has to say about this (just came across this on Mastodon):
“Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.”
If I read that, I have to admit that does sound surprisingly like Trump. But he’s not on the side of God.
There’s more stuff about blaspheming and being believed despite his many lies in other books.
I don’t actually believe in the literal interpretation of such end time prophesies, and I certainly don’t see Trump as some diabolical entity, but he is by far the closest match to it that I’ve ever seen.
Most Christians don’t.
Y’all don’t get the benefit of us assuming most of you are decent. In fact I tend to assume the opposite, based on mountains of historical evidence and personal observations.
There might be some decent folks among you, but the idea that Christians as a whole don’t actively wish for the suffering of others (whether they frame it that way to themselves or not) is a laughable premise.
[Edit to add: there’s a simple causal relationship at root here, too - damn near every truly decent Christian person I’ve ever known, the more they learn about their religion and how it behaves in the world - the less Christian they get. The ones who remain as they mature - again in my experience - either deliberately have their heads in the sand, or have moral values that stand in opposition to the exact virtues espoused by Christ]
I can’t blame you for thinking that. There are absolutely terrible people who love nothing more than to use Christianity to justify their evil. And I can point out how what they do is the exact opposite of what Jesus said, but they ignore it or shout it down.
That doesn’t mean there aren’t also lots of Christians who do try to follow Jesus’s words. At the moment, for example, the Dutch parliament is considering a law that would make it illegal to help undocumented immigrants (whether asylum seekers or otherwise). A lot of churches are protesting that, because that’s one of the core things that churches have always been involved in: helping people in need, including undocumented immigrants.
The irony that this law is proposed by conservative parties that love to lay claim to the Christian identity is not lost on me, but it should be clear to anyone with the slightest knowledge about the bible which side is actually trying to do what Jesus asks of us.
I guess I should say my perspective above is kind of exclusively an American-centric one for the topic. I don’t know much about rank and file European Christians. Among American Christians there is a real hatred of “the other” at their core. Not everyone, but probably a significant majority.
I’m not American, but as far as I can tell, it’s also not universal among American Christians. Obama is not like that at all, and he’s a Christian. (And from my perspective, he’s a lot more Christian than any Republican.) It’s not even true for all Evangelicals, because Jimmy Carter was evangelical.
It’s just that Republicans try to paint the image that to be a Christian, you have to be a self-righteous hypocritical bigot, and too many people are buying into that narrative. Please don’t.
Sorry, this I thoroughly disagree with and know quite a bit about. There is a deep hatred at the core of American Christianity. And no, Obama does not count as a “good” one, his administration took countless deliberate actions against those less fortunate that would’ve made “Jesus” fly into a rage like the money-changers incident. You can’t be serious. Drone strikes on innocent civilians? Deporting people seeking a better life for themselves and their family? How about Guantanamo, real Christian stuff going on there? Closing that was a direct campaign promise.
This is the kind of stuff I mean, I don’t think you have a very accurate view at all. Again, all the truly loving and caring Christians I meet become less “Christian” over time. It’s just the ones who can tolerate the ugliness that retain the label, with exceptions (in my experience) being extremely rare.
I’m not calling Obama a saint, I’m just saying he didn’t preach hatred like Republicans love to do. His drone strikes, his failure to close Guantanamo, his betrayal of whistleblowers, deportations, were absolutely not good. Personally I think a big part of it was his eagerness to compromise with Republicans. But even if it was all him, I’d say there’s still a massive difference between him and any recent Republican president.
But you can have Obama if you want. It’s not about him, my point is that good Christians do exist even in the US. They just don’t make the most political noise. Jimmy Carter, MLK, plenty of unknown Christian activists who fight for justice in many ways. Maybe they are a minority, but at least some exist.
I’m glad there are good Christians out there and I’ve even met a few of them but it’s the exception for sure. A good Christian is good despite their religion not because of it. When you tell someone from the age of 2 onward that they are a terrible person and can never be good no matter what they do they tend to believe it. Teaching original sin to toddlers is child abuse. It then creates a ton of cognitive dissonance because none of it actually makes sense but there is immense pressure to fit into the group. Most Christians end up knowing it’s wrong but have to believe it’s right which creates psychosis.
At its most basic, religion is a tool for getting people from a very young age to believe anything they’re told without question. This is what they call faith. It’s a complete bastardization of the word and the concept of faith. Faith should mean trusting someone because they’ve proved their character through actions. To Christians faith means you must believe whatever you’re told as long as it was interpreted from the Bible or said by an approved source of leadership like a pastor or, lately, a politician who says they’re religious.
I’m glad you can see that Trump is an imposter. You have to justify your worldview by saying that you don’t believe literal interpretations of the Bible though. It’s a big problem and you really can’t blame the majority of Christians who have become evil by reading a book that they’ve been told is the word of God and then applying what it says to their entire identity. There’s good stuff in the Bible for sure but why do we need a book that has so much bad in it as well. It’s impossible to parse and interpret for most people.
I’m not here to defend Christianity, and certainly not all the terrible things that have been done in the name of Christianity. People have used Christianity to justify terrible things. But people have also used other ideas and -isms to justify terrible things. It’s not just Christianity, and not just religion. Look at capitalism, communism, nationalism, etc.
When you tell someone from the age of 2 onward that they are a terrible person and can never be good no matter what they do they tend to believe it. Teaching original sin to toddlers is child abuse.
Yeah, don’t do that. No Christian I know does that. It’s a weird, cultish thing that you sometimes see in ultraconservative circles, but not universal. I don’t think they are the majority, but they do seem to be the nost vocal.
Biblical Literalism is a fairly recent heresy. In the past, multiple levels of interpretation of the bible were recognised, of which the literal one was often considered the least important. Treating the bible as purely literal does no justice to the underlying meaning or the context in which it was written.
Not to mention that biblical literalists often tend to ignore the most important parts. Like the words of Jesus.
I don’t understand then. Original sin is a primary tenant of Christianity. Christianity cannot exist without it. Otherwise what is Jesus saving you from? You have to deserve hell so that you can be saved.
If you don’t believe this and force it onto your children then are you even a Christian? Why wouldn’t you want to completely brain wash your children to keep them out of hell? This is not some fringe thing. It’s unavoidable and necessary to justify the Christian religion’s existence. When I grew up in the church no one told me word for word, “you’re a terrible person and you can never be good”. They just taught me the Bible and the Bible is very clear on this.
And don’t worry I’m not only attacking Christianity. Religion is easily the most harmful human invention. It has caused more suffering than anything else. Capitalism, communism, nationalism, etc are all bad but it’s not even close. Let’s eliminate religion first and then move on to the next most harmful thing.
Original sin does not require telling a 2 year old that they’re a terrible person. Quite the opposite: Christians tell their kids that God loves them. But that we are sinners is hard to deny when you look at the state of the world. And even the best of us fall short of what Jesus expects from us, but we should try anyway. To love our neighbour, feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, welcome the foreigner, and even love our enemy. Nobody does all of that to the level that we should, but we should try anyway.
But clearly there are people with a more negative approach to this. I think they’re a bit too eager to prove their own point of being terrible people. We should strive to be good instead.
You just said it though. God loves you but you’re a sinner. Implied that god’s love will torture you for eternity because of your sin unless you follow the rules. Fear and love are not the same thing. Teaching anyone, especially children, that someone/something will hurt you because they love you is textbook abuse grooming. There is no way around it and you just proved it.
Yeah, that would be terrible. Fortunately that’s not how it works. It’s not about following the rules, it’s about accepting God’s grace, and about trying to do good. Salvation is not something we earn, it’s something we receive. The way it was taught to me is that all we have to do is to accept it.
Of course we should also do good. Not to earn salvation, but simply because it’s good. Although there’s also Matthew 25 that suggests strongly that if you’re there for people in need, you will be saved even if you’re not aware of God, and if you’re not, you won’t, even if you are. That sounds contradictory, but the idea is that if you accept Jesus, you accept other people, and if you reject other people, you also reject Jesus.
But Christianity is not as rules-based as Islam or Judaism (although I suspect that also varies by interpretation).
The obsession with torture is more a medieval holdover as far as I can tell, and not something any Christian I know obsesses over.
That’s the problem that non-Christians don’t understand. We think they’ll be afraid of the Anti-Christ, and do anything they can to avoid him, but they don’t see it that way.
Their ultimate objective is to get to heaven, and hang with God and Jesus (yeah, right, like they’ve been waiting throughout the history of mankind, just waiting for YOU to show up and brighten their day), and to do that, they have to go through the Rapture, and the Anti-Christ is what kicks that off.
So while it might be a bit inconvenient for a time, it will be worth it to get Raptured, and leave all the Atheists and bad Christians behind to suffer whatever torment they are fantasizing about.
So they welcome the Anti-Christ, the fucking weirdos.
I will also point out that the idea of a pre-tribulation Rapture is not biblically well-supported, and was pretty much made up out of whole cloth by dispensationalists in England as a way to make the idea of a doctrine focused on Revelation more palatable (“see, you’ll be taken to heaven in secret one day before all this happens”). It’s taken a LOT more root in America than it did in Europe, to the point that it’s mainstream doctrine among a lot of churches (thanks Tim LaHaye and Jerry B Jenkins for doing that, you weird fucks).
Finally, some sensible UK news lol
I’m not a believer myself. And yet. The length and specificity of this list of parallels between what the Bible says about the Anti-Christ and the behavior and character of our dear leader gives me pause.
This was written in 2020…
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+11%3A16-18&version=NIV
Does this mean Jared Kushner is going to get offed so Trump can marry off Ivanka to Netanyahu?
Tiffany or a Daughter of someone else. This is the Epstein crowd, this may have already happened.
Of all of the terrible, evil, self-serving, racist, child raping shit this man has done, I can’t believe a jesus meme might be his undoing. unbelievable.
Holy fuck, British Morning Show Guest absolutely slammed him. Has anyone heard Vietnamese Street Food Vendor’s take?
British morning shows tend to be surprisingly savage, kind of the polar opposite of the American cliche of “We’ll take this divisive celebrity figure and bake fat-free muffins with them while discussing fall fashions or promoting a book” trope.
I’ve seen people get destroyed on them, and the hosts weren’t even remotely passive aggressive, much less sorry about it. They’re typically very transparent about how little they respect certain politicians’ lack of intellect lol
[proceeds to read everyone’s opinion here]
I, for one, want to hear from Leo Sturbgetter, a cow detangler in rural Mississippi.
she said he’s broken all but two of the commandments. which two hasn’t he broken? I don’t know all the commandments… 🙃
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You shall have no other gods before me.
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You shall not make for yourselves any idol.
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You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God.
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Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
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Honor your father and your mother.
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You shall not murder.
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You shall not commit adultery.
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You shall not steal.
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You shall not give false testimony.
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You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, wife, or property.
He is 10 for 10 as far as I can tell.
I think he has no respect for any gods whatsoever, and the murder thing is not widely accepted, so maybe 1 and 6.
He places himself as a second Jesus. That sounds like putting himself above God.
He’s murdered a bunch of Iranians, including schoolgirls. So it definitely fits.
As far as gods go, his god is himself, so that counts too, imo.
It’s quite specific as to what is covered, he’d probably get out on a technicality.
Dow Jones counts.
He murdered kids he raped
Like I said, not widely accepted. This was a Channel 5 morning show.
He’s already posted a picture of him as God. That’s gotta be enough to cross number 1 off.
Implied in “1” is that you believe in God. So 9/10 easy.
I mean, in all fairness, who isn’t batting at least 6 or 7 of the ten? I haven’t committed murder, and assuming you don’t subscribe to the notion that lustful thoughts = adultery, I haven’t done that either. The honoring your mother and father thing also depends on where you draw the line. I’ve never cursed their names, or anything. But I’ve definitely disobeyed and argued with them. I’ve definitely done the rest. So I’m 7-8ish myself, maybe 9 if you’re a stickler and a prude.
I definitely don’t honor my father, because he’s a rapist. Which, of course, is not against the 10 commandments.
You’ve given false testimony?
Have I lied? … yeah. So have you. So has everybody. Hell, it’s a significant child development stage.
False testimony (or false witness) isn’t just lying in general - it’s slander.
That seems to be a matter of debate or denominational disagreement. I was definitely taught that it was all lying in the church I grew up in. But I’m also sure that I probably, at some point growing up, blamed someone else for something that I did to avoid trouble.
Yeah I’m at 9 if you follow Jewish rules of adultery (everyone was on board, but I have slept with people who are married to someone else). 8 if you don’t respect intellectual property. But also I’m a pagan, so these aren’t my religious rules.
Yeah I’m planning on getting married, cheating, and killing the spouse to complete ten commandment bingo myself.
A person has to have goals in life
maybe he honors the sabath and his parents???
He plays golf practically every day, that’s literally the most holey activity of all. Doesn’t matter what day of the week is considered the Sabbath, I think we can reasonably conclude he doesn’t break that specific commandment.
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He might think he is, but only because he and his followers have all twisted interpretations of the book upon which that myth is based
“I am Real Jesus!”
“No! You’re Fake Jesus, which makes you Real Anti-Jesus!”
Fuck off the both of you. Stop trying to insert your Magical Realism into the reality of fascist politics.
Don’t interrupt the enemy while they’re making a mistake.
Escalating “bad state leader” into “religiously defined agent of the End Times” only undermines a materialist understanding of history and politics.
That’s before you take the
BadGood Omens angle and ask yourself whether The Antichrist is even supposed to be a Bad Guy.Bad Omens
Are you trying to reference the book/TV show Good Omens while dissing Noel Gaiman?
I ask because I’m not sure many people would get it.
the book/TV show Good Omens
Yes, that’s the one.
DONALD TRUMP IS THE ANTI-CHRIST
I wisht that guy would do another antichrist biblical quote comparison because his first term was pretty strong and I can’t imagine what all could be added now.
He’s just one of many Antichrist. Though a significant one.
Whereas I am the panty Christ haha I don’t know why I said that please ignore hahaha
I wil never 4get
I mean, it’s only Channel 5.
