with the polled opinion of israelis support for action in gaza.
There’s still lots of confusion with those polls, because there’s an absolute insane amount of propaganda.
And for whatever reason, people still do t seem to even understand what propaganda means.
It’s not just something you’d read and think Israel is better, just like Bibi wants to conflate Judaism with Israel, he wants everyone outside Israel to think it’s a united front.
Bibi is 100% ok with me and you thinking he’s a genocidal maniac…
As long as we think every Israeli is too. Because then we stop talking about getting him out of power and in jail, and uninformed people start talking about treating all of Israel like theyre the problem and suddenly the united front has been “means tested” into fighting each other.
Fucking ignorance is bliss man, all this shit is as easily noticable to me as how a kid shouldn’t touch a hot stove
I had good luck in this thread yesterday so I’m optimistic that made sense. If not tho, I can try to answer from follow ups.
This is bigger than Israel, it’s one of the most common form of propaganda: divide your enemies.
Israeli citizens require a lot of deprogramming, and they are mostly saveable.
However, the bad news is that it may not be possible to do that without invading the country, since a majority of them are too far gone to accept deprogramming without serious coercion.
I look at the example of deprogramming efforts in West Germany after WW2. Denazifying efforts did exist there, despite modern western communist revisionism (not all wrong, btw, but not all correct either, check ALL sources my ML and tankie friends). It was quite difficult in many cases; even though a majority of the German population was just relieved that the war was over, they would have kept resisting if their country had survived. And there was a sizeable minority that only stopped being Nazis openly to avoid persecution.
Edit: and to be clear, I share your view that writing victims of propaganda off as enemies not deserving of leniency is monstrous. It is akin to what the fascists do. We must recognise the humanity in our enemies, while accepting that sometimes it is still necessary to kill them.
We must only kill the poor bastards if it is necessary to stop them murdering others, not just because they are “monsters” and it feels good.
Searching “I went to Israel” didn’t have it in the top 25 results, can’t imagine why since the goal is to make us see all Israelis as the problem apparently.
This page casts a limited light on what we were discussing, but gives you an idea on how many Israelis don’t believe the govt is going far enough when fighting its enemies.
As you can see, it is about the current war with Lebanon, but I have seen many stories that cite similar results about Gaza or the West Bank. A few minutes on Google will confirm that.
I don’t know if it was 90%, but I think he may be getting confused with the polled opinion of israelis support for action in gaza.
There’s still lots of confusion with those polls, because there’s an absolute insane amount of propaganda.
And for whatever reason, people still do t seem to even understand what propaganda means.
It’s not just something you’d read and think Israel is better, just like Bibi wants to conflate Judaism with Israel, he wants everyone outside Israel to think it’s a united front.
Bibi is 100% ok with me and you thinking he’s a genocidal maniac…
As long as we think every Israeli is too. Because then we stop talking about getting him out of power and in jail, and uninformed people start talking about treating all of Israel like theyre the problem and suddenly the united front has been “means tested” into fighting each other.
Fucking ignorance is bliss man, all this shit is as easily noticable to me as how a kid shouldn’t touch a hot stove
I had good luck in this thread yesterday so I’m optimistic that made sense. If not tho, I can try to answer from follow ups.
This is bigger than Israel, it’s one of the most common form of propaganda: divide your enemies.
Israeli citizens require a lot of deprogramming, and they are mostly saveable.
However, the bad news is that it may not be possible to do that without invading the country, since a majority of them are too far gone to accept deprogramming without serious coercion.
I look at the example of deprogramming efforts in West Germany after WW2. Denazifying efforts did exist there, despite modern western communist revisionism (not all wrong, btw, but not all correct either, check ALL sources my ML and tankie friends). It was quite difficult in many cases; even though a majority of the German population was just relieved that the war was over, they would have kept resisting if their country had survived. And there was a sizeable minority that only stopped being Nazis openly to avoid persecution.
Edit: and to be clear, I share your view that writing victims of propaganda off as enemies not deserving of leniency is monstrous. It is akin to what the fascists do. We must recognise the humanity in our enemies, while accepting that sometimes it is still necessary to kill them.
We must only kill the poor bastards if it is necessary to stop them murdering others, not just because they are “monsters” and it feels good.
If that was true, that the majority need deprogramming…
Why does Bibi keep cancelling elections due to his faction not standing a chance of winning again?
Like, you do realize the reason he keeps starting wars is that this is his ex use to stay in power because his citizens don’t want him in power?
Some do, some do in every country
But the majority don’t want this path, youre operating under Bibi’s propaganda that he has total support.
You are discounting the idea that a lot of voters think Bibi is not killing enough.
By “a lot”…
Do you mean “not enough to win an election since 2021?”
Quite possible. It’s double figures at least, according to polls.
You think 10% is a majority?
What polls?
It feels like you’re just saying whatever you want with no regard to reality…
Is your claim that this video is a completely inaccurate hit piece then?
https://youtu.be/hLQbPCvV8W8
Searching “I went to Israel” didn’t have it in the top 25 results, can’t imagine why since the goal is to make us see all Israelis as the problem apparently.
If you don’t want to look them up, that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. However, since I don’t want to be some sort of asshole here, asserting things without evidence: https://www.chathamhouse.org/2026/04/israels-perpetual-mobilization-limits-netanyahus-super-sparta-model
This page casts a limited light on what we were discussing, but gives you an idea on how many Israelis don’t believe the govt is going far enough when fighting its enemies.
As you can see, it is about the current war with Lebanon, but I have seen many stories that cite similar results about Gaza or the West Bank. A few minutes on Google will confirm that.