The absolute cope of him not being able to admit Israel is doing terrorism and genocide. That man is trying very hard to square the facts of reality with not being fired from the BBC
So Goodall’s argument is that 1000x more civilian murders is reduced to equivalence because that’s just the cost of colonization, which he supports?
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Oof.
I wonder if the host would have a problem if Hassan say the axis was a lot worse than the allies during world war 2
“Well you see it’s all quite complicated. Do you condemn the Warsaw Ghetto terrorist attacks? Germans have a right to self defense, no?”
- Lewis Goodall, probably
Damn, hasan posted on lemmy. This marks the official downfall, boys
This Goodall guys a bitch has to turn down Hasan volume and pretend the be a better than thou person for saying murder is bad
To be fair, I do think Hamas’s attack on Israeli civilians in 2023 was completely wrong.
And yes I think Israel’s bombings of Gaza have been completely wrong, and their efforts to further colonise the West Bank are completely wrong, and their withholding food and medicine from Gaza are completely wrong, etc.
Surely the best thing would be a new peace process. The US has the power to kickstart a new peace process, but of course Trump has no interest in a just peace.
“Both the Nazi occupation of Poland and the Warsaw ghetto uprising are completely wrong! What we need is a new peace process between the Nazis and Jews”
Hassan never denied that the murder of civilians during october 7 is wrong
Yeah fair enough. I think Hamas and Israel are both run by bad people with blood on their hands, although yes it looks like Israel currently has more blood on their hands, since they have killed far more civilians since October 2023 than Hamas has.
Saying you condemn Israel but also all militant resistance against Israel is just saying you support Israel.
I’m saying that I don’t think it’s right to harm civilians, whether it’s Palestinian civilians, Israeli civilians, or any other civilians. I don’t support Israel’s current extremist government.
Do you think hamas still have the right to fight the colonial army despite the attrocities they commited?
I think if they were fighting the IDF and not harming civilians that would be better. And I also think things would be better if Israel were to stop harming Palestinian civilians, stop colonising the West Bank, recognise the state of Palestine, and have productive relations with Palestine.
To be fair, I do think Hamas’s attack on Israeli civilians in 2023 was completely wrong.
Why? Should Palestinians die in their concentration camp while doing nothing about it?
I don’t think it’s right to attack civilians. If Hamas wants to destroy Israeli military equipment then fair enough, I could see a case for that.
Plenty of people dislike US military interventions (for good reasons) - does that mean it would be right to kill US civilians in return? I don’t think so. Some civilians might support the worst actions of their government, but other civilians don’t at all.
I don’t think it’s right to attack civilians. If Hamas wants to destroy Israeli military equipment then fair enough, I could see a case for that.
You mean like they did on October 7 where they attacked military bases around the Gaza concentration camp
They also killed Israeli civilians and I don’t think it’s right to kill civilians, whether it’s Israeli or Palestinian civilians, Jewish or Muslim, or anyone else.
Obviously Palestinians are underdogs against Israel, and I think what Israel is currently doing to Palestine is terrible and wrong. I still don’t think killing civilians is a good answer to that problem though.
Not a justification, but one of the problems with Israeli conscription laws is that service is mandatory, and everyone who serves is obligated to be a reservist until the age of 40 and even 50 depending.
It gets real hard to distinguish if any given individuals in Israel are one of the limited populations exempted from serving in the IDF.
It seems some people refuse to serve, and sure such people might be rare, but they may still exist. And you might have someone who served in the IDF because they had to, but afterwards they have campaigned for an end to compulsory IDF service, and for Israel to recognise Palestine, etc. So I just think it’s wrong to harm civilians.
Its been very well proven Israel slaughtered many of its own citizens that day, not Hamas.
I think Al Jazeera is known to be critical of Israel right? And they have said that Hamas killed civilians in the October 2023 attack:
Anyway, I hope Palestinians can live in peace without Israel murdering Palestinians, and without Israelis taking Palestinian land, etc. I hope everyone in that area can live in peace and with equal rights. I don’t approve of any killings of civilians, whether it’s by Hamas or Israel. Some people say “Israel has killed far more civilians than Hamas has, since October 2023”, and yes that’s very likely true, but that doesn’t mean Hamas killed no civilians.