Yeah they’re turning Americans against data centers by describing them objectively, how insidious…
chatgpt is shitting on americans· how are people not supposed to turn on those grippers?
They absolutely do this but it doesn’t mean anti datacenter people are wrong. Russia, China, Iran all use amplification techniques to destabilize other countries. You don’t need a complex propaganda plan when you can just amplify every divisive topic and get brexit.
Easy to do when people don’t fucking want them, and more specifically, they do not add any value to ppls lives, they only take to away. If only we have reps who represented anything but their own self interests.
Lol. It’s obviously a consortium of trans, immigrants and antifa that are behind it. While Michelle Obama and Soros are funding the operation.
You mean the well known male politician, Michelle Obama?
Because there is no Chinese campaign against data centers. China was simply pointing out the environmental and economic impacts data centers have on the areas around them.
Who is saying data centers are okay? They are not. And I do not even have any issue with LLM usage, yet I still recognize that data centers are incredibly resource-intensive and can have significant impacts on the communities that host them.
I think the predominant logic in the thread is that China trying to influence Americans against datacenters can’t be true because that could be an attempt to make a pro-datacenter argument, even though it’s not.
I think the logic is more noting that the pro-datacenter argument aligns with linking opposition to them to foreign actors.
Anti-China sentiment is extremely powerful to tap into, and the AI crowd absolutely is pulling out every stop to keep the bubble unpopped. Tapping into that energy for public opinion is the least surprising approach they could be taking.
I understand that it’s easy to believe someone could make this up to undermine anti-AI arguments. I don’t understand why it’s less easy to believe China would use social media to further their own goals - like everybody does. I mean, sometimes reality aligns with what somebody on the wrong team says.
Oh, the reason for that is the claimant here is OpenAI. That’s why there’s this credibility hurdle in people’s reactions.
Kevin O’Leary (Shark Tank) makes the same claim. He isn’t connected with OpenAI but is behind building a Utah datacenter, so he has no credibility either. The problem is, even if China really is doing this, nobody in the anti-AI community will believe it unless somebody points it out who is part of the community - just like with most other major issues. The Information Age has turned out to be a cluster of impenetrable echo chambers.
China didn’t attack Iran and send global oil prices sky high. China doesn’t bully my government into bad defence contracts.
I’m so tired of racist fear mongering about China. They aren’t a perfect country, but the suggestion of the United States judging any other nation right now is mind boggling.
China didn’t continually insist Iran was two weeks away from a nuclear weapon for five decades, nor did they bomb and kill the religious leader that expressly declared nuclear and chemical weapons are against God and Islam.
Believing American narratives at face value is an unhinged reality to live in.
Don’t forget 150 little girls on the first day of the “war”
America is the most propagandized place on Earth, after all.
They in fact made a law that makes it illegal to layoff workers specifically to replace them with ai
(China deff has done that second thing btw.)
Didn’t bomb Iran tho
China hasn’t dropped a bomb in 50 years. How many countries has the US bombed in the last 10?
You don’t need to drop bombs to bully countries around you
Answer the question, lol.
Being anti-AI or anti-datacenter isn’t a reason to deny that China is doing this. It’s not like they don’t want there to be datacenters, they just want everybody to use theirs.
Theory as valid as this one : openAi is funding an astroturfing campaign to make Being anti AI a crime.
Whether either one is true or false should depend on whether there’s evidence of it, not on comparing them for ridiculousness.
Which evidence of China wanting data center out of the US do you have ? They are not even capitalist. I am not sure our schools readyed us with tools to understand their system. But I can’t exclude you point of view as false too so I am asking.
They are not even capitalist
Wut? They have corporations, stock markets, billionaires… I don’t even know how to respond. China is a major competitor in world markets. Might as well ask for evidence that China is real.
Yeah and Europe have healcare, what is the point ? Dude you start by assuming Ill intent, I call you out and now you are divaging. Are you fine ? You look confused.
They at least look like capitalists
The part of it we interact with. But they clearly hâve a complexe society and can’t be resumed by one face like Europe or the US. And we got fed so much propaganda, I dunno.
I wouldn’t have a problem if data centers if they weren’t cut insane deals where they don’t have to pay property tax or any sales tax while also raising prices on all the local utilities. It’s literally just a matter of paying their share rather than pocketing all the profits.
The rage against Data Centers must be because of filthy foreigners, it couldn’t possibly be because of how the 100% American billionaries and their bought and paid for 100% American politicians are imposing on everybody by hook and by crook something which for everybody but said billionaires is a net bad thing (since for everybody but those capturing the profits of Data Centers, the nasty side effects of them vastly exceed the minuscule benefits from them which are nothing more than a handful of new jobs per Data Center).
“Always blame foreigners” is a core practice American political discourse, quite independly of which side of the Power Duopoly one is aligned with, probably because it perfectly dovetails with the American Exceptionalism the locals are indictrinated in their whole lives.
OpenAI is doing a much better job than China at getting people to hate AI.
Next after this post about chineese users,
A story about a man who says theres something on his shirt, is he gullible enough to fall for it?
Im not against data centers, that’s mostly where the internet runs from. Im against AI data centers though
A bunch of the anti-data center propaganda on social media doesn’t make this distinction and it makes it sound like they don’t know what tf they’re talking about, especially given that they’re posting it on a platform powered by data centers and pretty much every internet-based service they use goes through a data center. Even well known leftist accounts are doing this, and they need to get better about clarifying their message because the way they’re promoting it right now makes everyone associated with them look stupid
I worry this may be a real problem though because there is not any real distinction in the messaging.
I work in a small data center. Its a 50x100 ft or so room with a few dozen racks of servers in a non descript old telco building. Not a giant water and energy sucking monster.
Just put a sign up outside that says “Not for AI” or “These are porn servers not AI”
“Local PornHub CDN”
I mean I would not put it past them, but I still hate the slop factories. Two things can be true at once.
Nah, don’t even give it credibility of thought. This is propaganda for sure. “Oh the Chinese don’t want you to have data centers, give us all your water and electricity so the Chinese don’t win pleeease”
China may not want the US to lead the AI races, but don’t forget these AI companies are trying to destroy communities in the name of corporate profits.
Having advanced AI is a key national security tool for any nations. While it is true that data centres are environmentally and socially damaging, it is to China’s advantage that the Western public turns sour on AI and data centres. So yes, both can be true at the same time.
China loves data centers though. How else are they gonna enable their mass surveillance?
You know American surveillance is 100x worse right? You’ve heard of Snowden and Assange?
Have you heard of…China? And cameras? Social credits?
They’ve been putting cameras and microphones in for decades over there. We’re just now scratching the surface with flock, can only imagine what it’s like over there with ai cameras now.
Google the social credit thing and then get back to me.
Also you know you have a credit score too, and it affects where you can live, what car you can drive, and where you can work, lol.
Google which country has the most surveillance…how is this even an argument lmao
Google is literally part of your government surveillance 😂
Any updates on the social credit thing? Did you read about how that was bullshit propaganda, lol?
Believing the US somehow has worse surveillence then China of all places…definitely some bullshit propaganda, agreed 👍
It isn’t just surveillance. It’s about innovating. What created a strong tech sector in the west was innovation. China wants us to put down the new thing so they can build the patents and develop the sector. It isn’t great that AI exists. But rejecting it is going to hurt more than if we use it.
I’d argue that the current capitalism speedrun of shoving ai into literally everything is just as bad as rejecting it, if not worse.
For who? That’s how innovation happens. It’s like saying you don’t think it’s useful to read all the books on a subject. You can’t just open a page to exactly what you need.
Yes, this is a shitty space race. Instead of putting a man on the moon we get … whatever it is we’re getting.
I see a lot of you phrasing things like “whatever it is we getting” but are we all really ignorant to the reality of the way these tools increase productivity? Like that’s just putting your head into the ground. When I was younger the left was where I thought wise people were.
