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Do not worry, Sony is not at all known for taking away from people digital media which they keep in their servers for those people
/s (just in case)
Cool. If thats the case I will no longer be offering Playstation my money for games.
Play station will no longer be offering games- Yup still no games
I will no longer be offering money to receive playstation games. 🤷♂️
Fair
I’d feel more strongly about this if I’d actually bought a game on a physical disc anytime in the last 3 years.
3 years? About 15 years for me. Whenever civ 5 was released.
Yeah, but why not? I enjoy having access to the game within the same 10 minutes I buy it…
Now downloading, that’s a different story.
I also enjoy having access to the game as soon as I buy it, that’s why I download. Having to order and wait for shipment or going to the store takes considerably more time.
When was the last time you bought a game on some physical storage and did not have to download etc. things anyway?
How many modern 3d games are there that fit on a reasonable amount of disks? Don’t you usually have to download shit either way?
Honestly, if I have to go digital, my money is going to Valve
Better to Gog, atleast you own what you buy
Stop spreading this lie.
https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212632089-GOG-User-Agreement?product=gog
2.1 We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a ‘license’) to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this license in some situations, which are explained later on.
This refers to downloading, after you donwload the DRM Free Game from Gog there is no license or online check forever, the game is just yours.
You can also do that on Steam, that doesn’t make it any less piracy.
Not that there is anything wrong with that, but let’s stop pretending that GOG is somehow better than Steam.
Not reliably as in Steam there is no contractual limitation on games having their own phone-home DRM plus some games are tightly integrated with Steam features (which Steam incentivizes) and don’t work well offline, plus you need to known were the installers are cached as you can’t just download them to a location of your choice and how to use stuff like the Goldberg Emulator otherwise only games which have ZERO integration with Steam will fully install and run offline.
In GOG, access to download the offline installers is right there in the product page in your library and contractually the games can’t have any DRM as “No DRM” is GOG’s unique value proposition as a games store.
Steam doesn’t make it too hard to go around the phone-home DRM they put in place (making it better than just about all other phone-home DRM out there) but that’s not at all the same as “here are the installers for you to use whenever you want online or offline and they’re guaranteed to have no DRM”.
Nobody is saying you cannot do on Steam, the big difference is that you can do that on 100% of Gog games, on Steam only on a very small percentage.
And there are other noticeable difference, on Steam you have to go through the file and backup them, on Gog you get the drm free installer for the last version of the game and any previous version that you want.
Is clear to me that on this regard Gog is much better than Steam, would be crazy to say otherwise.
Actually, FYI, you can do that for a large percentage of Steam games, maybe even most, if you use the Goldberg Emulator that replaces the steamapi DLL.
Steam DRM is one of the easiest to bypass around, and I like to think that’s very much a purposeful choice.
However, the entire thing is designed for it not to be easy to do for somebody with the technical know-how of the average gamer, plus it’s not reliably possible and there’s no way to know upfront if it will work or not when making a purchasing decision on a game in Steam.
Meanwhile “No DRM and with downloadable Offline Installers” is literally the Unique Value Proposition of GOG as a games store - access to download offline installers is there in the games page after purchase and that installer is guaranteed to work forever and ever if you still have the hardware and OS version supported by the game.
Fun fact: Some Steam games are also DRM-free
Valve and GOG.
GOG - the ones who recently sent out a newsletter ad with Nazi symbols on it? That GOG?
Yes they were using AI assisted headers for their emails because they were short staffed for a bank holiday in their country.
Which is Poland btw. Famously extremely anti Nazi.
They apologized and explained what happened so I am not going to hold it against them. Now had they not apologized or had an explanation, that would be different.
If anything its a good case study on why AI is only good for very limited use cases and almost never to replace an actual human being
You know they’re polish right? The ones that were attacked by the nazis?
Context is everything.
Can you think logically instead of making misinformed emotional statements?
This is FUD, stop spreading this. Read their statement and chill the fuck out.
It’s a big, fat, nothingburger.
Did not hear that. Do u have a link?
Read their statement instead, it’s all a big nothingburger.
If buying is not owning, piracy is not stealing
This is such a great quote.
But if you read the fine print, you are not buying these games, you are entering into a subscription to them. Paying a one-time fee to subscribe to the games indefinitely. That’s why it feels like buying.
That’s how they getcha.
So it’s almost like buying is not owning?
Almost, but not exactly.
And look, I’m not saying its defensible, I’m just saying that they technically trick us into subscribing, and thus we can’t technically say we’re buying these games. So, GOG ❤️
They are gonna remove games in future like they did with the movies
They already have lol.
Licensed titles are different. Unless they’ve done that for non-licensed titles.
Kindle literally removed 1984 from people’s devices
That was a case where the seller literally didn’t have the rights to the book. If you search for the title today you’ll find a version that is listed as the Authorized Orwell Edition.
Not the same as what I was referring to. Video games based on licensed IPs, often get taken down from digital game stores because the publisher’s license has ended. What you described with 1984 is someone who shouldn’t be selling the media, having sold it. Sure, it sucks if the title disappeared from your device but maybe that was the only legal resolution?
Conveying something to someone in perpetuity (i.e. “selling” it to them) when you don’t have the right to do so is fraud. Just because Amazon or whoever’s right to continue offering the thing ended doesn’t mean their customers’ property rights somehow end with it.
It’s exactly as absurd as a car dealer stealing back all the cars they previously sold just because they ended their agreement with the manufacturer.
There is absolutely no sane world in which stealing your customers’ property could ever be the “only legal resolution!”
The proper legal resolution would be refunding the customer and then settle it between Amazon and the author that didn’t have the rights to sell what they sold. If I buy some food at the grocery store and there’s a recall due to for example contamination, I can go back to the store and get a refund. I can even go to any store selling the same item without an invoice and get a refund (for their list price I think). This is at least the deal in Denmark. This should be the same if something was sold with a missing license or improper license (if it is sold as a product but the license the seller has expires and is not renewed)
Sometimes the license for the music in games expires and developers/publishers just remove it from the games.
That, by itself, is absolutely outrageous and absurd. The game developer’s failure to license the music appropriately is between them and the music copyright holder; nothing gives them the right to steal the content back from the third parties they conveyed it to in perpetuity.
Agreed, licensing for anything like that in game should be required to be permanent. Only exception I can possibly think of is live service games where the content cycles out of availability.
I wouldn’t argue just that it should be; I would argue that it is and we have a massive problem with the FTC failing to enforce existing law.
I think it will no longer be available as an option.
If they could be trusted to treat digital copies as actual ownership, this wouldn’t be such a big deal.
At this rate why sell hardware to people anymore? Might as well rip the bandaid and make it a cloud-gaming device.
I will be buying no more PlayStations then.
Same.
My main problem with this is I can’t sell or trade a digital game after I’m done with it. This needs to be
feltdelt with legally.I like being able to share a disc with friends. Or get one from the library. They kill that, they’re making a hell of lot of enemies.
I feel you but I’m no lawyer.
For real, every jurisdiction needs to extend the first sale doctrine to digital media
At least the digital-only playstations will be really cheap… Right?
So. They have chosen death.
The majority of people do not care.
Then the majority of people will get shafted. Nothing new under the sun, I guess.
They were already getting shafted, by your definition, as they were already buying digital only games.
Well exactly.
Unfortunately. The market chose convenience over consumer rights. We no longer own anything and can have it taken away at any time.
Oh no! Anyway…
EDIT: Just to be clear, I am not dismissing OP. I’m saying “fuck Sony” and “this would be a good time to convert to PCmasterrace or go retro”
Sony I already didn’t intend to buy the next game console, you don’t have to keep trying to push me away.
