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design thinking, that’s the think they always talk about in my technobro bullshitting classes that they decided, was a good idea to add to the engineering currriculum.
This thing you love is killing the planet
Important to recognize that the thing you love isn’t what’s killing the planet. The excess unmanaged waste is killing the planet. And we can manage the waste as a matter of regional policy. But only when we value the long term health of the planet over the short term privatization of profits.
This thing you love is killing people
Important to recognize that the thing you love isn’t what’s killing people. The unchecked advance of a massive military industrial complex is what’s killing people. And we can recall these troops, end the bombings and assassinations, and pursue a global policy of peace and prosperity. But only when we value all human life equitably, rather than seeing some niche group or ideology as unimpeachable while another group as intrinsically evil.
The thing you love is killing you
No it fucking isn’t. The thing is essential to your existence. That’s why you crave it. What’s killing you is the commercial need to reduce the cost of its production, in order to yield a product that has an extended shelf life and an easily marketable branding. You can enjoy a good meal without poisoning yourself. What you lack is the time to prepare your own treats, the facilities to perform the preparation, and the skills necessary to do it properly. And all of these are easy to do, so long as we’re afford the time and space and education to do it.
Blaming the end consumer is a major part of the pattern of consumerism. Don’t blame yourself for living in society. Don’t blame yourself for being born somewhere or being subject to certain historical conditions. Do what you can when you can. Value your time and labor. And make some fucking friends, damnit, don’t live alone in a god damned cave. Don’t become reliant on commodities. And for the love of god don’t let yourself become a commodity.
I’m sorry, but consumers are killing the planet. Hiding behind this idea that a society’s functions are dictated by just the ultra wealthy and corporations is just wrong. We fund it all. The Trumps, Epsteins, big oil, big pharma, Taylor Swift… They’re rich and powerful because we the people make them so.
They made the world to fill us with fear and then sell us a remedy for the fear. They give us pointless work to fill up our time, and then sell our time back to us in the form of convenience. They made the world filled with anger, and then sold us outlets for our anger.
They had the stuff, so they made the rules, so they made the rules to favor them getting more stuff, so they have the stuff, so they make the rules…
The Ouroboros eats itself starting from the tail, but it’s the head that does the eating. These actions always start with someone who has enough wanting more. If we had the ability to shape our own destiny, we’d grow far beyond these petty things (think of how much generational trauma starts with “we can’t afford to live” as the ignition point). That requires the people with the boots to get off our necks first.
Or for people to collectively decide to throw the boots off, but we’ve been waiting all of written history for that. I’m not sure humanity is capable of it, as a whole.
Go right and try not to consume. You literally cannot. In many places, if you try, you will literally go to jail for not participating in the system.
Hard disagree. The amount of money and energy that has gone into manipulation and corporate lobbying has ensured that most people are brainwashed without ever knowing it. It’s NOT the people’s fault, it’s the ultra weathy
The battery in the device you’re hard disagreeing with me on was created by slave and child labor. You knew that and bought it anyway. I assume you still eat meat despite knowing the environmental impact. Are you brainwashed too then or does how you spend your money somehow not affect the world?
this idea of “brainwashing” is a convenient way to dodge personal responsibility. Next time I think about returning the shopping cart I’ll remember I’m “brainwashed” and leave it in the middle of the parking lot. I guess the US people who voted for Trump, are blameless because propaganda exists. I guess the people who use AI tools to write code or make art, are blameless because advertising exists.
We’re on lemmy right now because we chose to be on it. It doesn’t take an ultra wealthy person to do that.
I’m not wasting any more energy on you. Have fun being cynical
You’re the one being cynical, telling people they don’t have personal responsibility
Hard disagree. But feel free to tell me how your attempt of stopping to fund all of that goes, surely you know how to do that without joining the Amish and being on the run from your countries’ tax agency.
You can’t even realistically avoid Nestlé and all its smaller brands (way too many). Stop blame the fucking people for the mess of the different power structures we were all born in, it’s nobodies fault but those in charge of those systems. Which is not us, systemically. Nobody is “funding” this crap, everyone’s forced into it. Welcome to fucking capitalism.
I don’t have to tell you anything. You can believe whatever you want, but throwing your hands up and just consuming because “system bad can’t fix” is exactly why the system is bad.
The system has been rigged so people can’t afford to not consume the products.
consumers are killing the planet
Consumers have no control over the availability of the things they purchase.
Hiding behind this idea that a society’s functions are dictated by just the ultra wealthy and corporations is just wrong
It’s empirically proven.
No control? Your purchases have no impact, eh?
Where do the ultra wealthy get there wealth again,
Your purchases have no impact, eh?
Not under the profit motive, no. Industries monopolize. Territory is enclosed. Goods and services are enahittified. None of that is a consequence of consumer demand.
Where do the ultra wealthy get there wealth again,
The violent seizure of primitive and industrial capital from the working class.
Living good and ethically sound is a best-effort kind of thing these days
these days
Always has been.
Yeah it requires so much killing. Like I think even totally unopposed and switching hands my trigger finger would fall the fuck off if I really tried.
But what were we supposed to do? Put all the means of production in the hands of someone who wasn’t in the global transnational cabal of deeply chinese-room-ass genocidal Nazi pedophiles who compulsively restructure society to build the torment nexus they heard of most recently? Not delegate all our decision making and general coordination of society and its norms to a bunch of incredibly venal unaccountable pedophiles who won a popularity contest and will sell your soul and pave Yellowstone for a four figure bribe because we’re too fucking lazy to take an interest in the world after a long day of refusing to object to our own exploitation?
That’s fucking unreasonable. All there is to do is embrace The Horrors and learn to love the taste of the rare earth conflict minerals they started adding to doritos premium. So worth the cancer.
If you have some solution that doesn’t involve time travel, the world is all ears. As always, the only options available are to do as much as you can where you can, and realize you’re up against a tide of people who aren’t going to put in that kind of effort.
If you really think the the situation is that dire and that the solution is so obvious and easy that it justifies the kind of snark you’re displaying, it reflects more on you than anyone else that you’re here shitposting instead of taking the direct action you think is so critical and obvious. If you’ve got the answer, go and prove it.
Oxygen is slowly killing you. It’s just better than the alternative.
I’m almost out of bubblegum…
How is music killing the planet?
maybe that’s the album title
The music industry is pretty bad. Especially to musicians.
Also, data centers.
When you think of the countless number of more useful things you can do with a piece of plastic than make a record out of it, I feel the least we can do is say something worthwhile on it.
Just think of how many pieces of plastic there are in your town or city holding music. Then think of how many towns and cities around the world are the same. Millions upon millions of pieces of plastic just for music than can be served via digital means now but are kept on plastic because of nostalgia and a feeling of connection to the analog.
Those digital alternatives are provided by services that broadly reserve the right to pull your access to that media at any time. That doesn’t even get into how many of these services are owned by large corporations who take the money that you the consumer give them for access to the media that they control and contribute it towards political campaigns or environmentally damaging ventures far worse than manufacturing a CD and wrapping it in a layer of plastic.
And if you’re wary of either choice knowing that, there’s always piracy, which naturally has been criminalized.
Those services aren’t the only option.
Bandcamp (and its plethora of alternatives) allow people to purchase digital files and do what they wish with them. Such as load them onto their phone, an mp3 player of some kind (my 14 year old iPod classic is still going strong!), or onto a server hosting something like Navidrome or Jellyfin.
Just because Spotify, Apple Music, etc have the biggest advertising budget doesn’t mean they’re the only alternative.
Bandcamp is one of those services.
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Downloading that music to your devices is all well and good until you experience a RAID array failure. Or your SD card gets corrupted. Or your old phone decides it doesn’t want to turn on anymore. Local digital storage is a limited, degrading resource. The device you put your file on is something you anticipate becoming eWaste that will be thrown away someday, and in anticipation of that happening we generally introduce redundancy that means more stuff that will eventually get thrown away.
I say this as someone who has his own Jellyfin NAS setup and who has both lost physical media in natural disasters and digital data to simple memory failure. None of these systems are infallible and physical media has value beyond simple nostalgia factor or novelty.
Spotify. /s? I think?
his head is upside down?
