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    I was thinking about NFTs yesterday and how AIs have probably scrapped them all and will happily copy all the monkeys and such.

    Think I could sell AI generated NFTs?

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      Eh. Use an AI to make smaller AI models that have different combinations of personalities (this one acts like Elvis singing opera, this one mimics Einstein with a cowboy accent) and the create NFTs for the ownership of those personalities. Each one comes with it’s own bot-created twitter account, and it posts. The holder of the NFT gets any revenue the account generates.

      Anyway, if you build this, send me a cut, I’d like to get rich from stupid people who would actually go nuts over this.

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          Not necessarily. If you donated a few millions to Diaper Don, it would soon be clear that this product is needed in the government, and those contracts would make you at least another billion. This is how you do business in our current era.

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            This is how you do business in our current era 👩🏽‍🚀🏹👩🏽‍🚀

            lord diapers is just making it all very public. Real money has been keeping quiet since Versailles, but doodoo prez is a gauche, nouveau riche hillbilly of a poorly inbred line, who’s father was never anything more than the fetch-boy for wealthy backers, and he is (thankfully) making visible the horrors that the wealthy have always been up to.

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      Isn’t that exactly what Donald Trump did with his electronic trading cards or whatever they were supposed to be?

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    It’s funny, when NFT’s started I said it was the dumbest thing ever and everyone online jumped all over me and down voted me into oblivion.

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      Not sure what internet circles you were in, but I’ve hardly ever seen people be positive about NFTs in mine

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      I think digitally verifiable ownership could be cool for, like, a digital TCG or something. But you’d need an actual use case for why this ‘ownership’ matters, which just isn’t true of the most noteworthy use of nfts.

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        I’ve never understood TCGs. Why not just print out the cards. Why not to use a randomizer from which one should make up a deck for one duel. Is the fun gambling and consumerism?

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            The store where I play allows for 10 proxies per deck. In the olden days they’d take a finger for every proxy but now they just take a finger nail.

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          I mean, yes, gambling is part of the fun XD

          I don’t actually think gambling is the problem, capitalism is. A healthy amount of low-stakes risk taking is a perfectly good activity.

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      What’s very dumb about this is that the rings themselves are probably already non-fungible, so even then, it’s dumb to store an NFT inside of them 😬

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        As I understand it, they just exchanged the NFTs, nothing mentioned about having them inside the rings. Nevertheless, it’s just mind-bogglingly stupid.

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      At some point you have to take responsibility for yourself. You cant just blame every failing on your parents.

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        Its the first step in therapy.

        Blame parents, forgive parents, realize you now control your future, realize youve controlled your actions and future the entire time, forgive yourself.

        Most people are hovering step 1 and 2, or skip over step 2

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          Without going through steps 1 and 2 it’s impossible to get to steps 3, 4, and 5 without feeling gaslit and invalidated just like you always were growing up, which can rehash and reinforce the trauma, perpetuating the cycle.

          That’s what society in general, and people who had healthy parents, don’t understand. They want us all to skip to the end of the process, ignoring the fact that not everyone was so fortunate to be raised by emotionally intelligent people.

          A very basic understanding of developmental psychology is all it takes to see how significantly the influences of one’s formative years can impact their social and emotional development long into adulthood.

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            and in severe cases, lifelong health issues, such as autoimmnue disorders, suicidal ideation, etc. thanks mom and dad!

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              Yes. You deserved better than what you got. Unfortunately the only requirement for becoming parents is a pair of working genitals.

              I hope you’ve found or are finding the healing and support that you need.

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            Even if you have relatively good parents, it is still an important step to realize just how many beliefs, habits, personality traits, worldviews, biases, inherited trauma, et al you’ve picked up from your childhood, usually primarily your parents. Many of these things are truly bizarre, wrong, or at least “not normal”, even a “normal” childhood.

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          I think you can kind of fork this path:

          • blame parents
          • realise they did what they thought was best
          • still be messed up
          • wallow in misery continually making the same mistakes every day
          • accept your mediocrity
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          I just wanted to add that it’s still incredibly painful after these steps, therapy ain’t over then. Still worth it though. Be kind to your inner child, especially if they’re still crying inside.

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          I thought we all just don’t do the forgiving ourselves thing. And avoid the mirror so you don’t have to kick that guy’s ass for looking at you like id look at me

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        You can blame some though, like a failing in critical thinking is a failing of how a person was raised.

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      My parents did a lot to model being smart with money and only one of their kids (me) picked up on it. Kids often love being the opposite of what they’re taught, no matter how much it hurts them.

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        IDK how much parents “modelling” things really helps.

        My parents fell for every scheme they encountered their entire lives.

        Watching them taught me to be very critical of that kind of thing. I guess they did model what not to do.

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          Heh, I mean modeling can work in the intended way or by accident in the opposite way you’d expect. So yeah I’d say it worked for you :)

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        The thing about people who buy NFTs is that they think they are being smart with their money.

        They look at what happened with Apple, Microsoft, Google stocks way back in the day and think “huhuhu, I’m not going to be one of those idiots who misses out on an opportunity like that!”

        It’s FOMO and “high risk - high reward” gambler mentality, wrapped up in the illusion of being a savvy investor.

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          In part because they understand that investment works, but not why. I could be much poorer if I didn’t understand that the purpose of investment is to provide money to create value to get more money later. NFTs failed the “where does the money come from” test as well as the “why am I not too late to make a bunch of money” test.

          Nobody’s out there offering guaranteed massive returns to everyone who invests. Legitimate safe investments don’t try to be exciting or induce fomo. They’re boring and reasonable because they can afford to be.

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          No, I think with NFTs people were just looking at the bitcoin train they had missed out on, and thought NFTs would be the next big crypto thing.

          Mostly they thought it was just the next big thing.

          I think this unique. Not really FOMO and certainly not investing.

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            That’s pretty much FOMO though. They thought I was the next big thing, *and* they didn’t want to miss out on it.

            And it doesn’t matter if it’s really investing or not, because the fact remains that the people who buy it believe that it is. If they didn’t think of it as an investment, they would have zero reason to buy NFTs (unless they intend to use it on the dark web)

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              If that’s FOMO then pretty much every decision could be considered FOMO. I decided to put my shoes on this morning because I was worried everyone else wearing shoes would enjoy the advantages there-of and I would miss out.

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                That’s funny because I actually didn’t wear shoes today cause I was having FOMO about that barefoot life after listening to Shakira sing Pies Descalzos

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          Sure, that’s true. I think in mine and many cases, wrapped up in the “being smart with money” lesson is saving, mitigating risk, and decreasing spending where possible. I at least hope most parents (who bother at all) are defining what being smart actually looks like.

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            Yes but some financial advisors will literally tell you that money in savings is slowly decaying and that (besides an emergency fund) you should invest it.

            The type of investments they’ll recommend will depend on your risk tolerance and financial goals of course, and probably isn’t likely to include NFTs.

            But I could see some 19-20 year old reading a post on instagram that says you should invest instead of saving, and with a very superficial understanding of what that actually means, might easily fall for the very next post or sponsored ad that says “Hey you! Yeah, you. The dumbass who hasn’t bought [inset memecoin here] yet. Why don’t you have any [memecoin]?!? Anyone who’s smart has some already, and look how rich they’re getting! Don’t miss out by being a coward. Own your future. Grindset. Yadda yadda.”

            I’m not saying that makes them intelligent, but simply telling them to be “smarter with money” isn’t going to solve the problem, and might actually exacerbate it.

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              Just telling them to be smart with money is not what I’m talking about though. What I’m talking about is actually modelling and teaching some amount of knowledge about how to save.

              Because of course you can’t expect a child to learn a bunch of vital and complex stuff when you don’t attempt to help them. My original reply here was concerning people who actually had been taught something, rather than those who heard some useless vague advice in passing.

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                I see. That makes sense. Sometimes I forget that some people actually grew up with effective parenting.

                Finances were one of many taboo topics in my house growing up. I never even knew a remote approximation of my dad’s salary, or what things like groceries, utilities, healthcare, etc. cost; until I became an adult and had to face those things for myself. I felt pretty blindsided by how expensive life is.

                When I was a kid my parents gave me three envelopes and said one’s for saving, one’s for giving to church, and the other’s for spending. Or at least they claimed they told me that, a year later when they found out I was putting all my allowance in the same envelope. But that’s the first I recall ever hearing about their little system.

                After that, there was no oversight. No checking in or auditing to make sure I’m doing it right, no instructive moments when they found out I’m doing it wrong. Just scolding and blaming, and shortly after I stopped receiving an allowance because it “wasn’t working” to teach me financial responsibility. As if all it takes is saying “do this” one time and then forgetting it.

                It was the same with everything. Hygiene, chores, etc. They thought they could tell a kid with single-digit age “do this” one time and then forget about it and assume it immediately becomes a failproof habit. And then scolding and blaming when years down the line they find out that’s not the case. “I taught you better than this! You’re just being lazy!” Stuff like that.

                It’s a foolproof way to instill something: oppositional defiant disorder.

                So yeah, sometimes I forget that to some people “parents taught me [such and such] good habit” actually means “modeling good behavior and checking in to verify and make gentle corrections until it actually becomes learned.”

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                  Thanks for this response. I do think our parents were more similar than you’d think. And I hadn’t really examined what I was taught about money as closely as you. I was never taught in anything in a systematic way, it was more like thousands of little interactions about saving money (because we “couldn’t afford” something I wanted, often; or if it was my money, what about things I wanted later?) and also just always knowing we were struggling financially.

                  For me, it was more than enough to think twice about spending large amounts. Then over the years I combined that sort of thinking with specific saving strategies I taught myself. For me, the constant barrage of recommending I save my money, or that we couldn’t afford something, or that we had to help my dad make some extra money, was enough to make me think about it all before going hog wild. Then I built up an untenable credit card balance in my early twenties and that was a wake up call too. I felt I knew better, so I swore off spending money I didn’t have unless I “had to”.

                  My siblings though? They didn’t learn shit. They blow most of their money on whatever and afaik they are both still in debt. Every time they get unexpected money they see it as free money to spend. Maybe I should blame my parents more, because they needed more/different guidance? It also doesn’t help them that my parents bail them out financially every couple of years.

                  Your parents sound eerily like mine though in some ways. A core memory I have is when I was probably about ten I was handed a paintbrush and told to paint my closet. I started about doing it without any instruction whatsoever and was scolded for doing it wrong! I responded that I literally had no idea what I was doing, they didn’t teach me, and only at that point did they teach me to use a paintbrush. But it was like you say, reactive to doing it wrong and nothing proactive at all… I don’t understand how I came out as functional as I did. Because they too did a lot of teaching the lazy way, tell you nothing ahead of time and then get mad when you didn’t know…

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        I was raised pretty middle-upper class. Only child. My dad made 6 figures. I had a lot of privilege growing up and I knew I did. I was well informed on family finances, investments, etc. We were also frugal(ish) in spending. We went camping every year which I loved, but very few things like vacations, new cars, etc. We had a modest house in a small town. My parents would always just have a shit ton of money saved in savings accounts or investments.

        Fast forward to today, they helped my partner and I buy a small farm halfway across the country. We’re a single income house (my partner has disabilities that prevents them from working). We live paycheque to paycheque because we like spending money. Local farmers market, buying things for the farm, and I get a little money spendy because my parents never really did that. I learned all the tips and tricks growing up and once let loose I didn’t really care. Never did.

        We’re financially okay. We have debt like everyone else, but it’s manageable. But we don’t save anything. We’re trying to now this past year but it’s slow because I work in town and my partner will want me to pick up this thing from Canadian Tire, or this from Home Hardware, and always needing new things, or upgrading things on the century old house and homestead.

        Basically, I was raised with money and my parents didn’t spend a lot of it. They’re very well off now. I do the opposite. I don’t really care much about the future, as hopefully we can break even on the farm. But we are trying to live more in the now than my parents ever did. Financially, I am very different from my parents.

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      My uncle used to go to timeshare sales pitches 2-3 times a week. Never bought a timeshare, just went for the free dinners. He was so bored with life that he didn’t even mind sitting there listening to them babble. The only other thing he had to do was to call up my dad and discuss how gas prices were slightly different at different filling stations.

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      At least Dad got to touch something for his money. NFTs don’t even deliver on their sole mission statement

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        What was their mission statement? Here’s a picture that you own the copyright of? I don’t see how they could ever make sense unless they were legitimately fabulous images that people loved and wanted to buy prints of

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          Oh they typically didn’t even include the copyright. That’s at least an asset and why would they include an asset

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          To own a digital asset that only had one original. Something that could have an identifiable, singular owner despite being a digital asset. Problem is no one gives a shit if you’re the original, provable “owner” of a jpg someone else made. Which makes these worthless to all but idiots who fell for it.

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            The dumbest thing in all this is that NFTs could have been legitimately useful for a bunch of tasks, but the whole thing got burned by cryptobros.

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              Wasn’t it more like a receipt with an url on it that may or may not still be the image that was at that url when the purchase was made. Or maybe you could do a hash of an image, at which point changing a single pixel or cropping it would change it into an image you don’t “own” and most people won’t have any idea how to even check it.

              Really, with the lack of tech savyness out there, the best way to own an NFT would be to just lie about buying one and what it is.

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              It’s like claiming you own Facebook because you bought a link that redirects to it.

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      I love people who have time shares, because I have a thing that let’s me pay $300 for a week at the resorts when the owners don’t utilize their time slot.

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    this seems like something my dad would do, deservingly to be fair. I’ve gotten up to some pretty stupid shit

    for example I currently have a sprained wrist from falling off my unicycle during my break at work.

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      I always tell people “you can’t fall off a unicycle”. I’ve actually fallen once and nobody was around to see.

      99.9% of the time you can easily dismount and let the cycle drop, but once in a while you can actually fall

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        that’s very true, I’m not the best at free mounting and often bail 3 or 4 times before I actually get going. (also a 27" wheel so a bit more difficult than my old one)

        what happened that made me actually fall and not just bail is that the road was at an angle and I had my psi a bit too high so it kinda popped out from under me.
        I caught myself with my hands, small scrape on one of them and sprained the other. Also scraped my knee too. I used to have wrist braces but I lost them when I moved and haven’t used it regularly enough to get new ones. I probably will now 😅

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          I saw someone yesterday with a big wheel who I was sure was about to bail. He was unicycling down a pretty steep street. He managed to make it down the street and turn the corner, but it looked like a real struggle.

          I know from riding a fixie that for streets that aren’t too steep it’s not hard, you just have to effectively “pedal backwards”, allowing slowing the pedals down as they come up behind you. But, I don’t know what a unicyclist can do on a very steep street. What I would do on a fixie doesn’t work because it requires small skid-stops, which means you need a front wheel.

          What would you do on a steep hill? I assume that by the time you realize it’s too steep you’re already going pretty fast, so just bailing would be difficult.

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            What would you do on a steep hill?

            to be honest I would probably just fall 😭 i live in Florida which does not have a lot of elevation variety so I luckily don’t have to deal with that problem as much. I know on the REALLY big ones or ones for off road use (which look sick btw) they have a brake handle on the front

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              Hmm, ok. I thought there was some trick to learn. A brake almost feels like it’s cheating. You’re right though, it looks cool.

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      Hahaha I had to scroll back and come back here because I couldn’t believe it.

      Your photo on unicycle is 3 posts down below this one on my Hot-All feed xD

      I wish you quick recovery :D

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      I have looked back on some really stupid thing I did and wondered why no one in my family called me out. Not that I blame them. It’s just weird to me that I smoked cigarettes all those years and they never gave me shit for it. My brother even gave me a fancy lighter for my birthday once. Again: not their fault I was an idiot but telling someone they are being a dolt can be an act of love.

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      I never tried a unicycle but really want to because I think I’d be good at it. Do the skills from regular bike riding no handed transfer well?

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    I still hold an “NFT”. A tank i won on a challenge in War thunder. Grinding motherfuckers, but… it was a nice tank

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    The amount of money spent is the deciding factor. If it was like $10, people waste money all the time. If it was more? Gets stupider by the dollar.

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      It’s not a specific dollar amount like 10 dollars.

      It should be pointed out that if you are young and you took an appropriate amount of risk “investing” in nfts, that’s not a bad thing. You should take some financial risks and failures while young.

      If you went into debt or spent your family’s life savings on it, you have a gambling problem.

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    Provenance is the biggest issue in Art. NFTs aren’t stupid, thinking that computer generated ape artwork with no actual scarcity is a good investment is stupid.

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      NFTs are stupid. Provenance only matters when it comes to the ownership of art. For the real purpose of art, the viewing and appreciation of art, it doesn’t matter at all.

      For digital art, provenance only matters if someone wants to create artificial scarcity by applying intellectual property laws to art. Trying to make digital things artificially scarce is stupid.

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        Of course provenance matters in appreciation of art. Do museums put up fake artwork or do they only try and show actual pieces from the artist.

        People who buy art absolutely care if the artwork they paid for is genuine. Collectors absolutely care if they can prove they own something that others don’t.

        Sure, if you don’t care about artists getting paid at all, or you don’t care about authenticity, then NFTs aren’t for you.

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          Of course provenance matters in appreciation of art.

          Of course it doesn’t. Do you need to know who painted something, and who owned it, to know whether you like it or not?

          People who buy art absolutely care if the artwork they paid for is genuine. Collectors absolutely care if they can prove they own something that others don’t.

          Yes, and fuck those people.

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            If a museum advertises a Picasso but it is fraudulent most people would consider that a bad thing.

            I care about artists getting paid. Sure, hate collectors all you want, but getting rid of them reduces the purchases artists do get.

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              If a museum advertises a Picasso but it is fraudulent most people would consider that a bad thing.

              Who cares?

              I care about artists getting paid. Sure, hate collectors all you want, but getting rid of them reduces the purchases artists do get.

              You don’t need NFTs to ensure artists get paid. You don’t need intellectual property laws to ensure that artists get paid. Most of the best art in history was made before intellectual property was a thing, and the artists who made that art generally were paid.

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                You think most of the artists that made famous art got paid?? Plus you think people don’t care if artwork that is claimed to be authentic is actually fraudulent??

                Thanks for demonstrating you don’t have serious or informed opinions.

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                  You think most of the artists that made famous art got paid??

                  Yes, I do. Have you heard of Patreon? Do you know the word it’s based on, “patron”?

                  Plus you think people don’t care if artwork that is claimed to be authentic is actually fraudulent??

                  People care about all kinds of things. Maybe instead of worrying about whether or not something is authentic, they should just think about whether they like it.

                  Thank you for demonstrating that you don’t actually like art for art’s sake, you care more about knowing your art comes from a famous person.