We as a society need to make posting AI slop as much of a taboo as, like, pissing on the side of a building. It should be something that you just don’t do as a matter of decorum.
I have a feeling without that, the evil would have reached a lot sooner.
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well i mean were we supposed to choose the greater of two evils?
I’m pretty sure we elected the worst of all evils
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Yes because the only thing to do is vote and the only parties are dem and republican, your hands are tied! You have to vote for genocide! Why won’t people just let you have your treats?
Not really, because if people consistently choose the lesser evil. Like if 90% voted for lesser evils, then the other party would have to change things up, or there could be a new party that would have a chance of winning because they’re competing for that 90% of people and no way would the evil party win.
But no, problems isn’t choosing lesser evil, it’s that significant people still choose evil
The problem is that, despite people swearing they never had any other choice, there has always been many instances of good options that go unchosen while the population fights over voting for turbo-evil vs naturally-aspirated-evil.
Here in Canada we have three main parties and people will do ANYTHING to justify why they cannot vote progressive and must vote for the centrist/conservative party because otherwise the conservative-conservatives might get power. Now we have a banker steam-rolling our people and our environment for free.
Your assuming lesser evil stays the same. If they move lock step with the greater evil though then guess what?
Then a new party will form. Again, if the votes are not split 50:50 and it’s pretty much only on the lesser evil, then a good alternative party can easily grab the votes of the frustrated citizens without risking “splitting the vote and letting greater evil win”
What are you talking about? This is not a hypothetical. That’s what already happened. And a new party didn’t form. Because we were kept being told to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Tell me one single election where the lesser evil part got more than 60% of votes? Let alone 90%
Explain what makes you think the lesser evil would change anything when they’re doing 90%, and don’t claim the greater evil would simply disappear or change. The influences behind any of them that use money to push right do not care, and we have seen times and times again that the lesser evil has no intention of reducing that influence. Guess why.
Are you trying to say you think the dems are the greater evil?
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Yes im sure if we keep doing the thing that we’ve been doing for decades as everything has been getting worse, then things will change. I would vote third party, but nobody has done all the work of making me feel like there’s a good one for me so I guess I’ll keep voting for genocide. Im sure this will help change things.
Ah yes don’t vote for Harris… checks notes… hey look we ended up with even more genocide and bombing Iran kids too now with Trump. Great high horse you rode on dumbass
The other party has had to change things up. The republicans decided to become more evil in response to Obama. The democrats have also decided to change things up by becoming more evil every election
Okay, Boris.
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Afghanistan and Iraq happened with the support of democrats and was worsened under democratic leadership. The current genocide in Gaza started under Biden. Roe v Wade was overturned under Biden. By domestic terror do you mean ICE? Tom Homan was appointed by Obama and Obama was the one to massively expand ICE.
Iran has been the target of the US empire for decades, Kamala Harris called it the biggest enemy of the US. She was just as fervent a supporter of Israel as Biden and Trump, and Israel pushing for the war is why its happening. There is no way of knowing what would have happened under a dem president, but we have all reason to assume she would have gone along with the war against Iran, just like Trump did.
Shhh. They’re about to do it again
Should we have chosen the greater evil?
I think we did a few times.
There were always non-evil choices. Most people were too afraid of a non-evil world to pick them, though.
Which 3rd party isn’t evil? Jill Stein?
Not to mention the 3rd parties just steal votes from the 2 party system we have and don’t have a chance at winning.
The idea that third parties steal votes is also a liberal myth. Your party members do nothing to earn our votes. If there were no third-party candidates on the ballot, we would still not vote for your neoliberal, right-wing, fascist candidates.
So you are okay with the greater evil winning instead of voting for the lesser evil?
Not to mention the 3rd parties just steal votes from the 2 party system we have
Actually they don’t. The democrats arent owed your vote, a third party isn’t stealing votes.
and don’t have a chance at winning.
And they never will because of short-sighted people like you.
Right, which is why its the fault of those voting for the lesser evil, not those who refuse to vote or vote for the greater evil. Not voting for the lesser evil is short sighted
Not voting or throwing your vote away hasn’t gotten us anywhere but farther right in decades either.
You should do the only thing that has historically made conditions better for the average person.
Violent revolution.
“No bro, you don’t understand bro, 3rd party or bust. Yeah, the Green and Libertarian parties haven’t had ANY representation in lower forms of government, but they’ll get it done right if we make them president.”
Idiots.
Right, because your strategy has been really successful. Just look at all the genocide we’re doing!
The point is that revolution is necessary, and electoralism is a dead end.
The point is that revolution is necessary
It’s been necessary for decades… But revolution is a bloody nightmare that lays the groundwork for rebuilding. You are still going to need a government after the revolution and I’m yet to see any actual tangible plan for what that is that somehow precludes voting right now… It’s literally a form you fill out once or twice every four years.
At the risk of painting with too broad a brush, does this rhetoric not means that a lot of leftists have got one foot in the past looking at historic revolutions and one foot in the future dreaming of a revolution to come? And what do you think that means they’re doing to the present?
Revolution isn’t a thing you do, it’s something you organize for and prepare for when crisis turns to revolution. That’s the primary focus of leftist action, not voting. Voting vs. organizing for revolution is kinda like building a sand castle vs. testing and studying rocketry if your goal is to get to the moon. Sand castles aren’t really hurting anything, but they aren’t helping either, so it’s more important to actually work on what matters.
Right, so where’s the damn rocket, then?
Accusing people of wasting time voting is a privilege reserved for those who aren’t affected by election outcomes… But people are in fact dead.
Most of the people building those sandcastles you’re so quick to trivialise will not in fact have seats on the Rocket.
It’s the result of rich people only making shitty choices available. So sick of the victim blaming gaslighting shit.
If you consistently vote in governments who knock the “no speeding” signs down, roll up the zebra crossings and remove the footpaths because dem tax breaks then yes, in part you have contributed to you getting run over crossing the street by some arsehole doing 200kph
It’s the result of incredibly stupid people believing the rich people who tell them that only their chosen puppets have any chance of winning the election, so you’d better vote for the puppet you hate the least, voting for someone you actually support is just a waste!
remove all epstein classes from affecting any elections and they are banned from office forever after you get to 0.01% of population you are barred from any political influence and cannot buy any influence illegal and if found the penalty is all assets seized. next also almost all laws are made to restrict the epstein class first then everything else.
the goal is to minimize the uncontrollably large evils that is the epstein class.
I don’t understand. We’re bush, Nixon, Reagan and trump the lesser of 2 evils? I’m pretty sure they’re the cause of the current MAGAstan government.
- The Clintons convincing Trump to run as a candidate got Trump elected.
- Hillary Clinton’s pied piper strategy, which resulted in him getting billions in free advertising, got him elected.
- The DNC refusing to primary a candidate that nobody wanted that was backing and funding a genocide is what got Trump elected.
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I think committing genocide is bad, even if someone else is also doing it, and I think its bad to reward someone for committing a genocide.
Now how did this comment apply to your voting choices in the US election
Pretty directly: The Democrats were committing a genocide. Voting for them will not stop the genocide. The argument that “but someone else is also doing it!” doesn’t make it matter any less that you are doing it.
You are presenting a false dilemma, there are more to do than vote and there’s more than two parties.
It didn’t matter what Trump did or did not do. The fact is that you allowed the Democrats to keep doing it, and then to reward them for their bad behavior, you decided to try to elect them again. That’s how US politics has become so fucking dysfunctional. You reward bad behavior.
I’m not american. Go lecture elsewhere
Then dont run your mouth on American politics of you dont want people to engage with you on us politics
I’ll remind you that you’re in my space
What is your source for the Clintons “convincing” Trump to run? According to Politico "What the sources from both camps agreed upon, however, was that Clinton did not urge Trump to run. " https://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/report-bill-clinton-talked-with-donald-trump-as-he-was-considering-white-house-run-121052
Maybe OP is just starting highschool?
If OP is more than 2 years old, should be able to remember that the current government was not the lesser of 2 evils when it was elected. Don’t need to look farther into history.
Seem to be missing a few administrations there. Though I notice BlueMaga liberals are basically having to memory hole every democratic president for the last forty years because “if you just vote us in we’ll stop the Republicans!” Doesn’t convince anyone when they look at what democrats actually did in office
It’s not like theres much of a choice.
There’s actually more than two parties and more to do than vote
