Right wing star wars fans probably love the empire and wish they were darth vader. Just because they like a piece of media doesn’t mean that theyre interpreting it the way it was intended or the same way you are.
They love the Punisher, but perverted the purpose of the fictional hero
Alex Jones does exactly this. He’ll start talking about Star Wars, but it almost always turns into him doing a Vader voice saying he’s going to kill all the “globalists”. It’s a sight to behold, lemme tell ya.
It is like when Trump talks about Hannibal Lecter as his friend and a great guy.
Tell me Donald, does your face only look like a Cheeto, or does it also tastes like one? Let’s find out, shall we?
Probably tastes like sweat, and tanning solution
It’s also why they love the old Disney shit so much. Because in many of the old movies it’s the aristocracy who are being portrait as the good guys and who defend the peace from turning into anarchy.
Maybe we’re not thinking of the same movies, but when I think of old Disney I don’t see that pattern:
- Snow White: an orphan girl, bullied by her step mom, flees into the woods to live with dwarfs, then becomes a princess because she’s pretty.
- Pinocchio: wooden puppet is given life by a fairy to reward its craftsman for being a good person.
- Fantasia: artistic vignettes
- Bambi: life of a deer.
- Cinderella: an orphan girl, bullied by her stepmom, becomes a princess because she’s pretty, with the help of a fairy who rewards her for being a good person.
To me it seems like the good guys are mostly attractive youths with a strong work ethic and no parents.
Most of them succed in life by marrying royalty though.
Which is why the Prequels were the worst thing ever. It made kids think Anakin Skywalker was a good guy and it’s the Jedi Council’s fault they didn’t give him the respect he deserved because he was strong and powerful. Dude was a creepy weirdo when talking to Padme, told her fascism was cool, massacred a village, but because he’s so powerful and awesome, Padme (a Senator) instantly becomes a trad wife.
Then came a bunch of cartoons showing how awesome this guy is (biggest Mary Sue ever) while making it seem like being a storm trooper would be a cool and honourable thing. And now we’ve got a bunch of video games that showcase how awesome and bad ass Darth Vader is.
It’s not like a pro-fascist interpretation of the Prequels comes out of nowhere. An adult watching those movies sees these things and dsimiss it as George Lucas phoning it in while making those movies because he only cared about toy sales. But it’s easy to see how a kid watching these movies would identify with Anakin Skywalker and be influenced towards having fascist tendencies.
Also The Last Jedi is the most misogynistic movie in the franchise if you ignore the marketing and think about how a child would interpret it. But that’s a story for another time.
Media illiteracy is part of the reason they are right wing in the first place. They do not make those connections.
Also see: every conservative Trek fan
Their brains should be studied for science. How are they not crushed under the weight of their own contradiction?
It might partially be that Worf’s suggestion to shoot first and ask questions later tends to be the solution.
Or that TOS was progressive for the '60s but we caught up and passed it.
Or that Berman, who ran the franchise for the '90s shows, was actually pretty conservative and progressive messages had to be almost snuck past him.
Sadly some TOS seem progressive by today’s standards because the GOP dragged society that far back.
I wonder if one day we’ll say “Remember when Blade was a black guy? Ah the woke years.”
I shudder at the thought
they were bold enough to called SG1 woke.
Their right-wing mind does not understand metaphors to reality so they don’t see it
Remember when Eric Trump compared the Democrats to the Resistance and thought that was a burn?
Strange how the felons kids have stayed real quiet in the last few months…
I always mix up Eric and trump jr. I think trump Jr is the one that has been engaged to Ms Kimberly guillofoyle for the last 6 ulyrar
I poked my fan into the Star Wars Reddit fandom once, and it seemed like they hate Andor?
I was honestly baffled at the time. I’m not a huge fan, but it’s like the best Star Wars thing I’ve ever seen (with the runner up being kotor II)
Honestly only ranks below the original trilogy for me. It’s really fantastic on all levels.
To me, the original trilogy is… ok.
That’s probably why I’m not in the Star Wars fandom, heh.
Still, Andor felt so fundamental, quintessential Star Wars.
To me, the original trilogy is… ok.
The original trilogy has a very mythological feel that none of the other works have ever managed to fully capture (and, honestly, that feeling was on the wane even as early as Episode 6). I can name the modern works, outside of Star Wars, that have that atmosphere on one hand. It’s a very delicate balance to get that atmosphere, and I think even the OT only succeeded at it by happy accident.
Still, Andor felt so fundamental, quintessential Star Wars.
I agree entirely. Can’t wait to see Season 2!
“The original trilogy has a very mythological feel”
I can’t remember where I saw it, but I read something that part of why Andor feels so different to other Star Wars is that the original trilogy (OT) felt like a space opera — the characters exist on a stage, and the world around them ceases to be when the characters leave. This probably contributes to the “magic” of the original trilogy.
Andor, by comparison, has such strong world building and supporting cast that it feels like the world is real, and we only get a small glimpse into what’s going on. My favourite minor character was the dude who hits the anvil-bell thing; he takes his job so seriously that it gives a ritual feel to the job, and I get the sense that this is an honoured role.
I don’t think it’s better or worse than the feel of the original trilogy — just different — but Andor is refreshing because far too much of Star Wars has captured neither the mythological magic of the OT, or the realism of Andor. I think Andor is the last piece of Star Wars that I care about, so I’ll be devastated if season 2 is disappointing
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The original trilogy has a very mythological feel
First time I paid any attention watching the original trilogy was after playing Mass Effect, watching DS9, and consuming some other sci-fi/fantasy, even some other Star Wars stuff … I get what you’re saying, but I guess it didn’t strike me as “remarkably mythic” when I first saw it, and that might be because I’d already seen so much?
@AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net is getting at what I feel. Andor’s characters and the details of the worldbuilding are so strong. Same with KOTOR II. Even if they’re more inconsistent, rough, or ‘lacking wonder,’ that more than makes up for it to me.
I felt the same way about episode 6’s waning mythological feel, until I recently watched all 6 in the so-called “Machete” order (4 -> 5 ->1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 6). Ending with 6 right after having gone through the prequels ramped the myth feeling up to 11 for me in a very interesting way - there are so many parallels between 3 and 6 and at the same time 6 shines so much the brighter in contrast to 3. There’s a cyclical nature to the whole star wars narrative project as directed by George Lucas that I never noticed for my self until this rewatch, despite having seen all 6 movies over a dozen times each.
Especially the juxtaposition of Anakin’s confrontation of Windu and Palpatine, contrasted with Luke’s confrontation of Vader and Palps. It was always apparent that Luke’s decision to forfeit his life rather than killing his father was his way of breaking his family’s cycle (and symbolic of the rest of the Galaxy breaking free of the empire), but when I was just watching his father condemn the entire galaxy to fascism and evil on the off chance that his wife will be “saved” an hour or two earlier, it just hit different.
I’m a massive fan of Star wars and even the original trilogy are just meh for me. I much more prefer episode 3, clone wars, rebels, rogue one, andor and games like kotor
Star Wars depend on which age you experience it. Lots of people who’s old enough to watch the original trilogy on theaters are going to say that the OG trilogy is the best. People who grew up with the prequels are going to have similar taste like you.
Leftist and I honestly think it’s one of the most embarrassing pieces of Star Wars media to ever exist
Edit: If I called the Heist arc mid, that would be giving it more praise than it deserves. You can’t change my mind.
Would you care to elaborate on why that is? I would say it’s easily the best piece of star wars media to come out since Disney took over, and arguably prior to that. It doesn’t get overly bogged down in trying to reference or shoehorn in references to other star wars characters like parts of The Mandalorian or the sequel trilogy and it tells a compelling and emotional narrative about the path one man takes to become a dedicated member of the resistance
They won’t believe anything that does not match their world-view. If you say the guy is innocent, they just say Fox news told them he was in a gang, and they treat that as a fact.
There is no way to get to these people, unless the GOP inflicts personal pain on them, and even then…loyalty and “purity” is everything to them.
EDIT: I’m having an existential crisis. I’m not sure I’m so dumb when I look at these people.
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Not the ones that thought The Boys superheroes were the good guys.
The protesters who LARPed being Homelander arresting Biden is just… ugh…
Yeah no shit. Everyone’s friggin asleep. Nobody realizes what they see is not some master plan or 4d chess. It’s consolidation of power for something very different than a democracy. A battle with the tech billionares afraid of death and a morally rotten to the core chewy center authoritarian up your heiney.
In andor the empire didn’t propaganda Photo of him with margaritas to appease the boot lickers
Um, but… isn’t this the guy who murdered several guards and robbed star wars fort knox though.
Like, maybe killing cops and stealing from the government isn’t the most heinous crime, but he’s hardly wrongly accused. I’ll concede that they pegged him by accident and for different reasons – but if anything, the moral is “arrest enough people at random and you’ll get the real criminals too.”
Um, but… isn’t this the guy who murdered several guards and robbed star wars fort knox though.
What are you talking about? He’s just a tourist!
That was part of the irony of the show. He did the crime, he got away with it, then he was falsely accused of another crime and thrown in prison. The people who were hunting him were pretty frustrated because they couldn’t find him, and they couldn’t find him because he was in prison under an alias.
He was wrongly accused of the crime that sent him to prison. He did commit the other crimes, killing the 2 guards and robbing Star Fort Knox, but they never caught him for those crimes.
That’s why I said this:
if anything, the moral is “arrest enough people at random and you’ll get the real criminals too.”
They would be vehemently against it if any other concievable administration did it.
Nobody watched Andor LOL.
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No they don’t.
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They kinda do see some vague similarities (there is a prison) if they squint but it’s different because reasons.
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They do but they think it’s woke garbage anyway.
Until Andor, Star Wars had paper-thin worldbuilding that let right-wingers see themselves as the Rebels.
Luke is a rural white boy who learns the true religion, which is being suppressed by the government. He uses his religious beliefs and skills honed as a farmboy to fight back. Han Solo is a businessman who just wants to make money moving goods from A to B, but the government keeps interfering, trying to destroy his business (and his personal property).
What are the rebels fighting for? Basically it seems to be about personal liberty and the right to practice their religion. If there’s any ideology beyond that, the movies don’t really get into it.
In most of the series, the empire is literally faceless. The storm troopers have full body armour that covers everything up. The Tie Fighter pilots have full helmets that cover their faces. The only people with faces you see on the empire’s side are the generals and the emperor. That makes it really easy to have the empire represent anything you want.
Part of what makes Andor such a great series is that it puts faces to a lot of the mid-level people in the empire. You see their backstabbing, their jockeying for position, striving for promotion. It really shows what kinds of people work for the empire, and what the values of the normal people are, and why they might want to join the rebels instead.
That makes it really easy to have the empire represent anything you want.
Isn’t that kind of the point? When you make villains too specific then it’s easy to differentiate the villains in a movie from the evil in real life. Donald Trump doesn’t resemble the villain from the movie so therefore I can hate the villain from the movie while still liking Donald Trump because they’re not the same person. The evil that happens in the movie is because of that particular bad guy, now that bad guy is dead and it’s all wrapped up in a nice little bow.
When a movie is about archetypes it’s a little more difficult to ignore the ideas. The Rebellion is a diverse group of people, even a fish guy can be an admiral. A little green weirdo could be the powerful Jedi. The imperials are not all that diverse, are they? It’s harder to rationalize that you’re on the good guy side because that means taking orders from Admiral Ackbar which is contradictory to your political views which would be about wanting Ackbar fired because he must be a DEI hire.
Also Lando making a deal with fascists and constantly getting screwed over because fascists don’t give a shit about doing as they promised seems a little relevant now. Lando was fine with some random guy called “Luke Skywalker” getting screwed over as long as he and his friends came out ok. Seems a lot like people voting for Trump knowing immigrants would get screwed but that’s fine because they would come out alright. There’s a lot of Landos on Wall Street right now. Trump altered the deal, pray he doesn’t alter it further.
The ones made by JJ Abrams are really great about showing all of the reasons for people getting sucked into fascist movements… indoctrination (Finn), wanting to eliminate freedom to have order (Hux), bad relationship with their father (Kylo Ren), nostalgia for past greatness (Pryde), and ancestry (Rey). With Hux we even get to see how fascists are really just spiteful assholes that don’t actually believe in anything, they just want power.
With Rey we see hesitation about being part of the movement against fascism because of her ancestry. Maybe she’s unworthy because of her ancestry? Nah that’s bullshit, you don’t need to identify with the shitty people in history because they’re your ancestors, it’s up to you how you identify yourself. The repeated message of “they [fascists] make us feel like we’re alone” seems particularly relevant given how social media divides us now.
And Palpatine… yeah fascism has come back to life again even though it’s been defeated before. But ok, I guess we gotta do this shit again. People get all butt hurt they didn’t explain the details of how Palpatine came back, but that’s the point. Fascism comes back and you gotta oppose it when it does. Somehow fascism returned, and it doesn’t matter how, because we have to oppose it no matter what. And if you really want to know how fascism returned, just look at the motivations of the fascist characters in the movies.
Oh shi-
This makes so much sense. It’s like a glimpse into some form of enlightenment that I don’t want to experience.
Have some Lemmy Gold.
- They think the Empire are the good guys
- There is no such thing as a “right wing” Star Wars fan.
- They cried when Palpatine died.
Unfortunately, yes there’s rightwing Star Wars fans. The GOP even made a video photoshopping DNC leaders at the imperial generals meeting on the Death Star and making Nancy Pelosi the person behind Darth Vader’s mask. They claim the Democrats are the evil empire and that republicans are the rebels.
Perhaps they do exist, and the Star Wars right wing fans are right and think mega prisons are ok because it’s “only for criminals of course”, and they also rejoiced when the trade routes were taxed.
It was a beautiful moment though.
I’m sorry to inform you that there are right-wing Star Wars fans. Just as there are right wing whovians and trekkies and bronies. No it doesn’t make sense but there it is.
Right wing sci-fi/fantasy fans are cheering for the antagonists, or the societies depicted.
The extent I’ll grant fantasy shows are sympathetic to right-wing politics is monarchies, but that’s about it (without giving it very deep analysis 😅)
They root for Vader and the Storm Troopees now and don’t watch Andor, the one I know anyway.
Star Wars is not right wing by America’s fascist standards but it is right wing by most other standards.
Lucas is clearly a firm pro-capitalism liberal. The story criticizes fascism and the concentration of power but hardly criticizes authority and firmly supports strict social hierarchies. There’s an entire sub-caste of sapient slaves called droids that never gets acknowledged as problematic!
And that’s what made Andor very special. It’s an allegory for class struggle and unionization. It’s a story Lucas would have never told, and it is brilliant.
Right-wing SW fans make more sense than right-wing Star Trek fans, at least. In SW they can root for the Empire, but ST is a post-scarcity utopia from the ground up.
nah, they got mad NU-TREK with thier virtue signalling of WOMEN AND gay leads, which was forced by kurtzman. nutrek literally broke thier minds.
Right wing Star Trek fans love the Mirror Universe. They’re probably why someone thought it was a brilliant idea in Discovery to give Space Hitler a redemption arc.
right wingers had a problem with 90+% female and LGBTQ+ leads, thats all they were complaining about in STD.
I had zero problem with the cast. But after they decided to give Space Hitler her redemption arc, I just couldn’t take the show seriously anymore.
i assume you mean “the good borg queen” i dint like picard that much, ironically that story was lifted from the fan novels, where it had a “borg” cooperative alliance, after the QUEEN in endgame died. kurtzman lifted from those NOVELS so much, it was so cringe and obvious. i was curious of the Lore one time so i visited thier non-canon wiki pages of star trek.
Considering that Section 31 turned into a perverted circus…
Maybe they should try 40k.
Unfortunately, they very much do.
And they don’t understand who the good guys are in 40k either (it’s no one. Except maybe tyranids acting at an instinctual level)
Bullshit, the Orks are working towards increasing average happiness in the galaxy!
I mean, by process of elimination, I guess.
I thought about including orks in there, but they do too many uncool things like trying to fight people who don’t want to fight.
They’re perfectly happy fighting anyone and everyone, including themselves, and just want a good propper fight.
Kind of hard justifying a fight with puppies though…
I mean, chaos have been fighting the injustice of the imperium for a long time
At least 20% of ANY group is comprised of assholes.
Our local park volunteers are 1/5th jerks?! Noooo
(Plausible but hope not)
It makes perfect sense once you realize that their media literacy is through the basement. Regular literacy too, I’d wager. 54% of adults (in America) read below the sixth-grade level. Source.
This is a pretty interesting link. I knew the low literacy rate fact before, but from a different source.
The economic cost of low literacy in the U.S. is estimated at $2.2 trillion annually due to productivity losses.
Filing this under “conservatives are so stupid. so fucking stupid.”. they want to save money by gutting education and that’s just ass-backwards.
There are left-wing Bronies?
I don’t know what to do with this question.
There’s still bronies?
What’s a bron
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Bro, Paul Ryan likes Rage Against the Machine. I don’t even know if sarcasm exists anymore.
It wouldn’t surprise me if a Nazi likes Inglorious Bastards.
- They root for the Empire.
You should be allowed to root for Admiral Thrawn independent of where you are on the political or autistic spectrum!
What did they do when he, somehow, returned?
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“Right-wing Star Wars fans” in for a rude awakening when they figure out who the Empire represents.
jfc
or “right wing star trek fans”
I wonder if they just haven’t discovered 40k yet.
I had a former coworker who was a hardcore Trump-publican and also really into Warhammer 40k, Star Trek, and to a lesser degree Star Wars, and at least once a week would play Pink Floyd’s “Animals” and “The Wall”. That media illiteracy hits hard.
Well you don’t end up in a clowncult without some sort of severe media illiteracy. It’s essential.
