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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
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long hand of casey newton (by proxy) outputs a weird hit piece on ed zitron in wired https://archive.is/chsCw so far bluesky in shambles with no other effects
Baldur Bjarnasonās (indirectly) given his thoughts on the piece, treating its existence (and the subsequent fallout) as a cautionary tale on why journalistic practices exist and how conflicts of interest can come back to haunt you.
(In particular, Baldur notes that Zitron couldāve nipped this problem in the bud by firing his AI-related clients after he became the premier AI critic.)
i have mixed feelings here. on the one hand, a lot of the article hinges on the suggestion that zitron is somehow concealing that he works with AI companies. iāve listened to his podcast, iāve read his articles, he is pretty up front about what his day job is and that he is a disappointed fanboy for tech. the dots are 1/1000th of an inch apart. it also devotes a remarkable amount of time to remarks from casey newton and the like, who have nothing to offer the world.
on the other hand, i do find it genuinely repulsive that heāll work with a company like DoNotPay. while it might be hackwork to suggest heās concealing it, I donāt like the association whether heās open about it or not.
on the⦠third hand? when iāve read his posts, iāve found myself totally unable to evaluate his financial claims. the evidence always seems unimpeachable, i just do not know whether the conclusions he draws from that evidence make sense, so i never cite him. i think a more honest and interesting version of this article, one that went further than trying to insinuate heās an ignorant fraud, would involve collaborating with someone with a lot of financial expertise and examining how rigorous his work actually is. but wired apparently wasnāt interested in trying to make that article happen
For comparison Iāve only read Edās articles, not listened to his podcasts, and I was unaware of his PR business. This doesnāt make me think his criticisms are wrong, but it does make me concerned heās overlooked critiquing and analyzing some aspects of the GenAI industry because of these connections to those aspects.
looks pretty good to me, Iād be delighted to produce this sort of work and heās doing loadbearing work on the numbers here - that the finance press is faintly catching up to a year later.
Its too bad that Patrick McKenzie sided with the promptfondlers because he was a useful ally calling āwe need more reporting on cryptocurrency by journalists who can read a balance sheet and do arithmeticā
@sc_griffith
He, or someone, should work with Bethany McLean on checking Zitronās work. She cowrote The Smartest Guys In The Room about Enron in 2003 and a book about the 2008 financial crisis. In 2001 she wrote about thinking something was hinky about Enronās financial filings.
I think Zitron has posted that none of these companies is profitable. Midjourney claims to be making a profit since 2024 although that depends on not paying for the IP they use etc. etc. etc. (and private companies can claim all kinds of things about their balance sheets without the CEO going to jail if they are creative).
his conclusions are a lot more complex than ānone of these companies is profitableā
When faced with a long complicated argument outside your competence, its a really useful heuristic to spot-check a few sections and assume that if they are wrong the whole structure is flawed. And at least as many readers will take away the soundbites like ānone of these companies is profitableā and āpathetic revenuesā as any nuanced version that is hidden in there. At critics of spicy autocomplete go he is really far on the āpunditā end of the āacademic to punditā scale (well past our David Gerard).
i see. i misunderstood your previous post, thought you meant that ānone of these companies is profitableā is essentially his only conclusion and that you considered it justifiable enough
I think Zitron has some important analysis mixed up with the clickbait and the populist rhetoric. I thought he was trying to be a full-time blogger but now I see he runs a one-person PR business (!)
Ah that explains why people were talking about Ed critics. When it reached my feed it had already devolved into other convos about Zitron haters.
(And yes he isnt flawless, but that just means we need more people in the anti AI space).
I will choose to read this as: newton mad that they arent pals with zitron
TBH I am neutral on zitron. I donāt read his stuff on the reg, just when it pops up here and I feel like it. We all belong to the same hypocrisy. If heās pushed AI companies before through his PR firm, that sucks.
Yeah this cannot be bad journalism, it has to be intellectual dishonesty. Someone paid for a hit piece for sure.
In my day people were ashamed of being mad in the newspaper.
https://xcancel.com/dril/status/549425182767861760#m