where ‘absolutely not’ means ‘maybe later’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c40irxnC_qM&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20251223-firefox-browser-falls-to-ai-what-do-we-do-now - podcast
time: 9 min 39 sec
Wasn’t there some mention of an AI kill switch for Firefox?
It always amuses me when people fall in love with the next “but they’re one of us!” tech companies. You can’t say shit about it without getting destroyed by fanbois, but when they turn out to not be one of us, you’d damn well better keep your “I told you so!” to yourself- because they never let you tell them to begin with.
Look up what “Mozilla Foundation” is and how that fundamentally makes what you said not apply here.
are you fucking lost? you seem to be here from 2010 before we knew exactly what the “Mozilla Foundation” was, an organization that grifts nonprofit money and hires extremely gifted devs just to waste their god damn time
So tell me, is there something specific about .ml that attracts smug arrogance and a lack of nuance? Because at this point- it’s can’t be a coincidence.
Use LibreWolf or WaterFox and ironfox for android
both of these depend on firefox for survival unfortunately, no real hardforks yet.
sadly, Floorp is going AI browser. I mean, “choice” to pick the bits of rat poop out browser.
This is a banger of a metaphor
Zen is AI free, at least so far.
I think I already said this but you’re not making me use something called “Floorp” even if it’s the last piece of software in the world. Just come on.
I used Floorp for a while. (The search engine that dominated the industry was named for a child’s nonsense-babble word for 10^100; nobody has a leg to stand on here.) It had a rare but persistent (and thus difficult to diagnose) problem of crashing my laptop hard when opening a private-mode window. Also, they’re planning to incorporate AI on an “opt-in” basis instead of rejecting it on moral grounds.
I only use software named after words that aren’t made up. That is, I don’t use software. I post here by waving copper wire at telephone poles to bit bash my way through the tubes.
So thats a no on “Floorp” then. Good
The search engine that dominated the industry was named for a child’s nonsense-babble word for 10^100;
And how did that work out in the long term? There were warning signs!
Librewolf or Waterfox.
Orion will also be getting a Linux version.
As for Orion: while I like the idea of having a browser that’s neither Chromium nor Gecko in the mix, Orion is made by Kagi which, at least in the past, self-described as an AI company, so I’m not sure how much I trust their stance to keep slop machines out of it (spoiler: I don’t). Also their CEO seems like a bit of a twat.
And it’s not really open source either apart from the WebKit parts as far as I know.
their absolute twat of a CEO is still running kagi as an AI company, and kagi fans get really weird when you bring it up
if you’re here to recommend ladybird, tell us why you’re doing advocacy for that trash fire in spite of the well-sourced, ah, downsides pointed out in article and video linked from the OP.
same for brave. I don’t give a fuck if privacyguides told you it was the goodest browser.
if you’re here to advocate for ladybird or brave and haven’t read the article in the OP, fuck off. don’t come here pretending to discuss something you haven’t read.
important addendum: your reason for advocating for shit browsers owned by terrible people will be read out loud in the clown voice it deserves
Lemmy needs a feature where we can click a button on a comment and make everyone see that comment in Comic Sans.
so I’m not saying I’m writing this down for the Lemmy clone’s features list, but
coming in rizz i’m sure
On the subject of Brave:
https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/1j1pq7b/list_of_brave_browser_controversies/ it really has a little bit to many controversies. (And the list is downplaying some of it, the wikipedia clone added wasn’t just some random one, it is was the one created by the alt right, neo-nazi Vox Day. Addition of which by the CEO should be enough to not want to use the browser at all).
And if you’re here to report the mods for rudeness, lolz
ahahaha delicious
I did like the part where the orcs attacked the Kremlin, though
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shut the fuck up
Please, it’s pronounced “Merry Christmas, ya filthy animal.”
the wet bandits would absolutely be gigantic ladybird fans. especially after Kevin gave them a couple concussions each
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Please enjoy your free trip to the egress.
The era of useful Silicon Valley Non-Profits seems to be fizzling out. I wonder how long Signal is going to hold out…
(Those are my 2 reference points, if I’m ignorant of some cool org let me know.)
Wikipedia is still doing good
Which is why there has been some push to undermine it lately. I have noticed ai bro calling it deprecated by chatgpt, or musk’s grokipedia
welcome to lemmy-mastodon interop! here’s your accordion
you_were_the_chosen_one.gifI jumped ship to Librewolf a year and a half ago (after seeing Mozilla steal people’s data and sell it to advertisers), and I’m pretty fucking thankful for that. For anyone looking to leave Mozilla to rot, I highly recommend it.
how are the defaults for librewolf? I’m considering switching but I’m hearing mixed things about the defaults occasionally breaking sites. waterfox seems pretty good too, but I don’t see it packaged as frequently as librewolf.
started switching and testing options last week. Librewolf’s default are awful, but undoing that has been better than having to look at the ugly Waterfox logo, in my opinion. If the logo is a non issue for you, WF had better default settings. I’m overly particular
The defaults are significantly better than Brave. Hands down Brave has turned to garbage.
i’ll go against the grain here: Librewolfs’s defaults are firmly “meh” for me. still an improvement over the “what the fuck” that’s happening in Firefox.
pros: nixs the annoying Pocket / AI / “suggested” nonsense by default. no annoying extras.
neutrals: Firefox Sync is off, but one click and a restart to turn back on. reasonable for a non-Mozilla project. no cookies saved by default might be annoying for some, but you can add exceptions right from the URL bar and i only have a dozen or so of those set for various sites. gods, cohost is still in that list…
cons: ResistFingerprinting is IMHO way overkill and breaks nice things like automatic dark modes just for preserving privacy in the 0.001% of cases where browser fingerprinting matters. same as WebGL being off by default – i just don’t need that kind of protection
i still recommend it. Disable ResistFingerprinting, enable WebGL, enable Firefox Sync, and decide for yourself if you want auto-clearing cookies or not. i also always enable vertical tabs because my horizontal space is a lot less constricted than my vertical. (it’s a FF feature!)
My only difficulty with LibreWolf on Ubuntu was getting it to be the default browser (it didn’t show up in the list of options). Turns out
xdg-settings set default-web-browser librewolf.desktopon the command line did the trick.Not the person you replied to, but I also switched to Librewolf a couple of months ago, also greatly enjoy it. Here’s a link to my nix config where Librewolf gets made to behave a little closer to default Firefox in terms of usability. Honestly not too bad!
The defaults are pretty strict, but most of the page-breaking stuff can be changed in the LibreWolf settings and each one has a description which usually contains a link to a wiki article detailing why you’d want to change it or think twice before changing it.
Defaults are pretty good - didn’t need to do much to feel comfortable.
Move. I’m trying waterfox atm
I’m doing the same, and I gotta say, I’m really liking the small differences in the UI on both android and desktop.
The popup menu on Android is way better.
The customization for the tabs/highlights on desktop are great.
Subtle differences, but I appreciate the options nonetheless.
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does arch not support reading the fucking article or any other comments in the thread before you show your entire ass posting here
oh someone made a browser from scratch? tight
unironically fuck yes
bring back vrml and the browser can become a room you can diy on
I’m sure this plan will go perfectly with absolutely no issues
“I know this!”
Presumably, if Firefox version N breaks ad-blocking, someone can make a hard fork of version N-1. Security patches, upgrades to OS support and things like new CSS/HTML features can be cherry-picked or reimplemented to it, though Firefox updates in general will not be admitted, as it’s a hard fork (in the way that LibreOffice or MariaDB is). At worst, Firefox will actively make it hard to do this, closing their source or changing their licence to one which prohibits it, requiring any updates to be reimplemented clean-room style, which will slow things down, though if the alternative is actively enshittified, it’s the least-bad option.
The good news is it generally isn’t necessary to reverse engineer browser behavior when writing a browser. Since it’s mostly fairly standardized, there’s a decent test suite, and the major browsers are all open source.
Though this comes with some caveats:
- There are exceptions like the CSS viewport spec which was reverse engineered from an iphone.
- There are a lot of specifications because browsers have been around for decades and Chromium keeps implementing stuff, and it can be hard to find enough programmers to write all of them / catch up from a fresh start
- This is a somewhat unstable situation; if we lose even a single major browser engine it’s easy to imagine Chrome maybe not bothering with standardization and just telling people to read the blog posts and code.
- Web pages will do nonsense like break themselves if you provide a User-Agent string they don’t like. Mozilla has an ongoing compatibility effort where they sometimes have to override the UA string for specific pages. So less popular browsers are already playing from a disadvantageous position.
I used Firefox for largely political reasons (summarized as “Google needs a competitor”), but it was becoming harder and harder to justify. Eventually, I just switched to a Chromium-based browser. I will say that, as an almost-good-enough solution until I wake up from this nightmare to a functioning Servo (🙏🙏🙏) , DNS level ad blocking (using Mullvad’s DNS servers) + uBlock Origin Lite (filtering mode set to “complete”) has been sufficient for me. It even blocks Spotify ads. I think it blocks YouTube ads as well, although I barely watch YouTube on my browser.
Ungoogled Chromium supports MV2 extensions and seems like a good choice if Firefox becomes unusable or you get fed up. I use Trivalent, a security hardened Chromium-based browser, but it may be tough to install if you aren’t on Secureblue. Also it only supports MV3 extensions.
this shit is so fucking frustrating, just leave our browsers alone. we want security updates, not an unethically sourced bullshit-and-vulnerability-generator stapled onto the biggest attack surface on our fucking machine
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why are you holding out for a browser that the OP correctly calls out as being developed by a believer in white replacement conspiracy theories who also vibe codes his browser?
actually don’t answer that, don’t fucking post here unless you’ve read the article
Is Vivaldi still good?
The least-worst of the Chrome reskins is Vivaldi, which has no AI. It has its own adblocker, but it’s not as good a blocker as FIrefox with uBlock Origin. And Vivaldi’s not open source. But they’re relatively non-evil.
no the best is UngoogledChromium (at least on desktop)
maybe my favorite pivot to ai article yet, definitely top three at least. wonderful work
small typo.
So guess what Mozilla did? When you update Firefox, tt re-enables the AI! And if you disable the AI again, it re-enables it again next update! Choose correctly, user!
“tt” should be “it”
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from your profile and post history you appear to be, and I can’t believe I’m typing these words, a pro-Brave anti-Mozilla gimmick account. go the fuck outside.
I’d choose to never use Internet again than use a chromium browser
