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Me, cooking, fucked up my Tofu and my wife always uses ChatGPT for everything: hey ChatGPT, how can I fix the tofu that curdled into the smallest flakes possible? ChatGPT: vinegar and heat.
The one time I used ChatGPT for more than “I have this tax law and want my grandma to understand it, say the same using easy words” content I ruined a whole pot of tofu and nutmilk.
If you don’t know what you want it to say, it is wrong.
Of course. If you stop thinking about complicated things, what do you except to happen after some time?
maybe you shouldnt have discredited students, by using AI accusing them of cheating with AI on essays.
This is the peak of civilization, get ready for regress.
in India, it’s common to pay someone to take exams. congratulations Doctor
what they’re doing to push back against the tech.
Classify it as a cheating tool.
Works in theory, but not in practice, as there are no tools that can tell 100% reliably if something was written by AI. Best way IMO to test students is via oral exams. Let them explain certain things and topics they allegedly wrote about in their thesis; that way you can quickly see who actually bothered to learn and understand and not only let their thesis write by AI.
They should bring back oral exams and blue books.
This is it. Stop it with these take-home test. Homework was always bullshit.
But then professors and teachers would have to think themselves instead of regurgitating the same lesson plan and worksheets from two decades ago
Hot take incoming: good public school teachers are criminally underpaid. Most teachers are paid exactly what they’re worth.
oh but some professors and even TA have thier own things to do, like research, research papers. when i was in university last decade one of professors was doing STEM research outside of class on the side, which took most of his attention away from the class the whole semester, the TA wasnt any better she had her own MS thesis/research to do at the same time. basically dint learn anything with animal/bio physiology. he even went to another country for that research during the semester. the only DRs/phds that do have times are the ones in city colleges that tends to have classes as tough as ivy league universities, since they dont do any research at all.
and then biochem 1 teacher had so many bad reviews on rmf, she evens said herself that her “research lab takes priority” paraphrased so she does minimal court lectures, and convoluted tests.
There was this cool initiative by a professor who is a friend of mine. He would give a pretty standard homework, but then the additional instructions were to complete said homework using an LLM. Then, the students would have to write, by hand, an analysis of all that the LLM got wrong, or could’ve done better. They then proceeded to discuss their analysis in class. Participating in the discussion with actual meaningful arguments was half of the points, the other half being the quality of the handwritten analysis.
It was more work, but at least the fuckers quickly appreciated that the machine was actually shit at doing their homework, and even if it could pass, it would be with the bare minimum. It also pruned the students who actually wanted to learn from the slackers who were just wasting their parent’s money.
I was with you up to the writing by hand part.
It’s also important for parents to genuinly take an interest in their children’s education. Help them understand why we don’t use AI for school-work. And be there for them when they need help so they don’t have to resort to AI when it feels hopeless.
I remember a study we all read when I was working as a sub teacher. Ages 7 - 12. How much time does an average parent spend talking to their child on an average day. Giving commands is not talking for the purpose of the study.
5 minutes. It was 5-6 minutes. It explains a lot doesn’t it.
There are plenty of negligent parents out there, but also plenty who don’t have the time because they gotta pay those bills that crept up on them, especially in this economy.
They are fine with cheating as long as you are using microsoft peoducts.
My uni gives everyone multiple chatbot accounts. (Paid by our tuition money no doubt)
Also all programming general events since I became a student have been “Make app for X purposes but with AI in it.”
I seen a TA open up their grok history when I asked why my answer to an exam question was wrong.
Universities don’t actually give shit about “academic integrity,” they simply want to buy bunch of microsoft products and call it a day.
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Recently had one professor try a “group exam” and worked with people requiring chatgpt to do “that one recursive fibonacci assignment.”
I think I have changed as a person.they only care about the cash cow, aka freshmans who are coming in every semesters, everyone else is on thier own, especially with career track development very underuitilized in state schools.
But their ability to make Terminator-Robocop porn in under an hour is unmatched
trig test day, surprise!. ‘no calculators’. gaah, after all that time spent keying identities into my ti-83. still passed with my broken memory
No shit. LLMs are the anti-thesis of education. The basis of which is hands on practice. Using a glorified autocomplete-my-assignments should be barred from education without exception.
This is the tip of the iceberg. The world is facing a critical collapse of profession. We’re nearing a point that was foretold ins sci-fi where humans no longer understand how the machine works.Just that they can use it and it works.
Except sci-fi was too optimistic. Science fiction has actual AGI. We have glorified autocomplete. A non-intelligence.
it’s the equivalent of trying become a marathon running while you sit on your ass on the couch and and flying FPV drone for your ‘training’ and saying it’s the same thing.
This is worse than that too, we’re already at a point where most people don’t understand how the machine works… But overuse of AI is going to make it so that most people don’t know how to do simple tasks that everybody used to know. They’ll be non-functional without an internet connection.
It’s absolutely terrifying. I am a returning student to uni in my thirties and the only person not using any AI. They literally depend on it.
I just had a classmate the other day turn to me, frustrated, saying “You ever ask chat(gpt) a question and it gives you a whole, like, paragraph you then have to read? like, why can’t it simplify it?”
Did I mention I am an electrical/computer engineering double major? So yeah, even reading is too much for these kids. Future workforce is fucking cooked.
my older bro who is in tech, depends on it for almost every question he has or when he is ask a very simple question. asked him something about laundry last year, he said “use CHATGPT”, theres really no hope for these people. and then later on ask what was causing "flies " to appear in the house, he kept using AI eventhough it was pretty giving inaccurate info,
my bro who is in tech refers to chatgpt as a go-to anytime he has a question or is asked a very simple question, yea pretty much screwed, and he think AI slop generated pictures are epitome of some kind of art piece.
Future workforce is fucking cooked.
Yep, and I predict that programmers actually understanding code (and especially being able to quickly and thoroughly review code), are becoming increasingly valuable (again?) in the future, when someone really has to guarantee what the AI actually generated (and let me tell you there are still so many stupid things the AI does…).
We’re already seeing it a little, I know IBM just had to start massively hiring just in Feb
The new age COBOL programmers are anyone who can actually program.
I have a friend who was frustrated that his programming exam was too hard (Python) and stated " why do I need to learn this? I can just use ai and get the job done ". We’re absolutely fugged.
It’s honestly disheartening. I understand our education system is not well in that tests aren’t actually very condusive to learning, but they treat the idea of learning a skill like it’s some obnoxious chore they just want over with so they never have to do it again when its like… bruh civilization/tech grows exponentially, y’all gotta learn your whole lives and it should be something you ENJOY it should give you pride to be good at something or understand a subject thoroughly.
i don’t even know what to begin doing about this problem but even if you pretend the environmental impacts are fine/manageable, I can’t help but think this shits gotta be destroyed for the future of humanity.
learning isn’t fun for the vast majority of people, it’s painful and miserable. they want to avoid it as much as possible.
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Unsure on the specifics, something for one of those online colleges. Yeah that’s exactly why it’s a concerning statement. This isn’t assembly, just scripting basics
Oh yes! We are fucked.
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It genuinely feels that way yeah like idk what we do about this problem it’s bad, however bad you think it is it’s worse
I’ve seen some videos of Costco brawls between gen z men over Pokemon cards they want to flip. Surely the bar can’t get lower then that
i think thats a different situation, some people are greedy and think they can make money flipping cards which is pretty mucha problem with TCPi/TCPJ but they have very little incentive to fix that issue, MTG unintentionally remediated that issue by pushing out UB sets multiple times a year more than normal, essentially making older sets useless/or less useful as you have to keep buying the new sets to keep up. this is about people inability to think for themselves.
I think, unfortunately, we are being lead by grifters creating a society of grifters i.e. the future generation is learning the lesson that the way to get ahead is by grifting.
I know this is gonna sound dramatic but if it keeps going? We’re looking at apocalyptic outcomes for the future of civilization.
the future generation is learning the lesson that the way to get ahead is by grifting.
So basically how it always was?
There’s a reason why there are billionaires…
But yeah it’s likely getting worse, like an elite and otherwise brain-dead propaganda following society (to exaggerate a little bit…). Initially after reading Adorno years ago, I never thought that the rather negative way he wrote, and something like the third Reich will not happen again, yet here we are repeating mistakes, fueled by accelerating climate-change (and the resulting conflicts)…
We are leaving (or rather have left) the most peaceful era of humanity, back to smashing each others heads without a real reason, leaving a more positive holistic utopian future… Sad.
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It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize that the “chat” slang was short for ChatGPT.
no, it’s for the chat audience in video streams
Ah ok, didn’t realize that was the original source. But now I wonder if it’ll eventually be supplanted as a reference to ChatGPT.
It depends on the context, it is slang for both. That’s why I put the parenthesis. Don’t be embarrassed, it’s hard to keep up with slang.
not true , young person here
I’m almost 50 doing a doctorate in engineering. ChatGPT is very helpful to do homework but won’t really teach you to do things. That said, I’m very glad to have it because this program would be so much harder without something to check my answers and understanding.
…except that it doesn’t really “check your answers and understanding”…
Sure it does. It’s a calculator and can tell me if I did my statistics homework correctly. I can also ask it to summarize a concept I find difficult.
No, it actually doesn’t. How LLMs work is that it takes in written words and makes a sentence based on the likelihood of what the next word will be based on human readable text. That’s literally it.
Hence, there’s absolutely no guarantee that ChatGPT’s ‘review’ of your homework will always be 100% correct because it is probable that the answer was written incorrectly in the billions of lines of text it has been fed.
On the other hand, a calculator has been superficially wired for it’s purpose to process an input. 1 + 1 will always equal 2.
I’d wager your supervisor will be horrified to learn that you’re getting an LLM to learn from rather than your peers. This is why i absolutely hate that it’s being used as a substitute what essentially makes us human: art, music, research, learning etc.
It’s a tool that needs a licence because you need to know how to use it to complement your existing skills, not supplement it.
We’re allowed to use them. We just have to provide the prompt used and the answer given.
Ah very interesting. Still, it’s a shame cutting out the peer to peer discussions to expand one’s own learning and understanding.
To do an in person degree I’d have to quit my job. I have been waiting for years for a program like this. That said, doing it in person would be a better experience and I wish I’d had the opportunity to do something like that years ago.
TLDR; should have had my doctorate years ago. I went to Argentina and had to abandon my work when the economy collapsed.
If you want a calculator, try an actual calculator or a website that actually does math like Wolfram alpha.
A chatbot can’t actually do math. It can only give you an answer that looks right because it has no fundamental understanding of what “right” actually is.
Love Wolfram. I believe Stephen is a big proponent of this stuff? Found his blog on it (turns three years old next Monday) and curious for your thoughts on it.
In Just Two and a Half Months…
Early in January I wrote about the possibility of connecting ChatGPT to Wolfram|Alpha. And today—just two and a half months later—I’m excited to announce that it’s happened! Thanks to some heroic software engineering by our team and by OpenAI, ChatGPT can now call on Wolfram|Alpha—and Wolfram Language as well—to give it what we might think of as “computational superpowers”. It’s still very early days for all of this, but it’s already very impressive—and one can begin to see how amazingly powerful (and perhaps even revolutionary) what we can call “ChatGPT + Wolfram” can be.
https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its-wolfram-superpowers/
With that naivety you are setting yourself up for failure.
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How old are you and what doctorates do you have?
We’re not in a dick-swinging contest here. At least I am not :) What a dumb way to deflect from the point I am making. If you have any understanding of the matter, you know that LLMs are only statistically accurate, and mathematically, that is useless.
I have a long, successful career. I am doing this program for personal growth and to create a challenge for myself. Please stop projecting your impressions on my life, I am my own person and very confident in what I have accomplished.
Edit: I got downvoted for being confident in my successes. Really?
i dont know if you’re trolling but you would be making a pretty poor engineer if you are using a something to check your answers that may or may not be right, and not use an actual engineering calculator. how would you know your answers are correct in the forest place if you took them from an LLM. its literally just equivalant to finding the answers on a website and copy and pasting it to your hw, you arnt learning anything, and people who done that have been shown to do very poorly on tests.
I am not objecting to you to learn something new. The naivety is what you display assuming you can use LLMs to “check your homework”.
This is an echo chamber. Logical and rational thoughts will be downvoted if they go against the narrative. Don’t take it personally.
Yeah I didn’t realize just how deeply people were into the projected angst before now. Thank you.
until it hallucinates
who the fuck wants a calculator that gives out the wring answer every 5th time
Using AI to help with assignments in education is like using a forklift in the gym. You are taking stats for everyone else and undermining your opportunity to learn and train your brain.
You are paying to get the opportunity to train your brain and educate yourself, a d are squandering the chance by using AI. It’s not the best idea.
The thing is; you have the experience and knowledge necessary to understand when you are being fed wrong information when it hallucinates. You have come this far not needing a machine to think for you and are not useless without it.
I had a networking lab in which we were faced with using an Aruba layer 3 switch, after learning Cisco all semester. The point was for us to research Aruba commands, and rather than even try to look up any actual references or the information provided by our professor they immediately tried to ask chat, which proceeded to keep giving them CLEARLY Cisco commands. Despite me expaining this they chose to ignore me until a half hour of failed commands later lead then to give up and just wait for me to try and figured it out.
Btw I am, by no means a genius. I actually think I am of average intelligence, and I’m okay with that. But I have become one of the smartest/go to people in most of my classes because once chatgpt cannot figure it out they genuinely don’t know what to do. They just don’t understand how to think for themselves.
Learned helplessness. There is nothing more shameful then just giving up after the obvious route is exhausted.
It’s like this a lot with family, like show me you made an effort to troubleshoot, otherwise you’re just demonstrating you think your time is more valuable then mine to do the whole rigamorole
this program would be so much harder without something to check my answers and understanding.
Do students these days not have study buddies?
Not when you’re in an online program and have to do it fully alone. Even when I was in a traditional situation I always had a job and never could do study groups. It’s specifically why I never studied stem previously.
You know you could also just like… Do research, like you’re expected to do and is how people actually learn, but I understand that’s hard and nobody has time for that. I guess you could also ask the local drunk to proofread your homework and get an answer just as likely to be correct as an AI
Gen Alpha can barely look people in the eyes when they’re talking.
Ah yes “looking people in the eyes while talking”, famously something actually important and meaningful and not just literally the most well-known neurotypical “if you don’t follow the expected social rules you are Wrong” demand…
– Frost
Yeah dude that’s how norms work.
If you’re staring off into space and can’t talk directly to someone, you need to learn that skill.
Like, this is common sense.
Thanks for sharing! Good luck with your doctorate!
Thank you. I appreciate the support among a sea of personal attacks. I didn’t realize that this place had such strong tankie vibes.
Distrusting an unreliable system does not make someone a tankie. Now you’re just throwing out insults without even understanding them
You: We attacked you as a group over a period of days because you’re stupid and it was wrong of you to say something back. Especially when you point out that we acted towards you just the way those others do.
It seems like a huge pervasive part of modern culture is that success and fortune equal never having to get your hands dirty, never worry about the details, and never learning to figure shit out because you can just pay somebody else to do it (or ask the “AI” to).
Obviously some amount of specialization and delegation is good. That’s how you get a society.
But to just exist passively is something else. It’s bad for us, and I don’t mean that as a moral judgment. Nobody needs certain skills to justify their existence. I mean it in the clinical sense, like that you can be sedentary with more than just your physical body.
So much ai slop in the professional world too
yea i heard research papers are plagued with them, and it already adds into the slop that is being produced otherwise by professors prior to AI, low quality slop just to get thier CV looking more robust for employers, and now with AI its even worst. back in the 2010s, a college oral talk, one of the presenters to the PHD person doing the talk think it is so "successful " that you have to write dozens of papers just to get hired a research company/university(40+ papers), how much of those 40+ are just slop/fluff pieces and not something new.
I got my first obviously AI email from a boss recently. The tone didn’t match his normal cadence of writing, it was sterile, repetitive, and could have really been summed up as, “Do you have additional information about item X that can help explain this to our customer?”
It was three paragraphs long.
So, I was wondering, will you reply efficiently with your own words or, in order for them to learn to respect your time, will you use AI to reply?
I walked into his office and answered verbally, lol.
That’s even more efficient =)
It’s not really surprising, and there are already quite a few studies on cognitive decline related to AI usage out there. I guess the wide scale effects will only be visible in a few decades, but I suspect it will look a lot like Idiocracy.
The bubble needs to pop yesterday
If this happens, a new great depression will come.
A huge part is the tools they’re using to “detect” AI use. My sister in law fought with Grammarly, which she was required to pay for and use by the school, to prove her paper wasn’t written by AI.
She spent twenty hours trying to “de-ai” a paper that wasn’t written by AI. The only things that worked were using bad grammar and poor sentence structure. The class was pass/fail, and probably for that reason.
