I encourage this type of education. Kids need to be held accountable for their actions, just like everyone else.
Normalize humility
It’s the kinda parent to go full PI and make a case against the teacher. Say they are spreading hate by posting her texts online and violating her privacy
I couldn’t be a teacher, because bozo would have been one of the kinder words I’d use in such a situation.
Yeah, the teacher is going to get a fun talk with management and probably be forced to write an apology.
Teaching is a risky job these days, and thus not done as well as it could be in a world without parental bozos.
Yay, let’s normalise bullying of students by teachers, what could go wrong?
rip bozo
There are better ways than calling names.
Yea I have never heard a story of someone who was failing at school, but got their shit together when an inspirational teacher called them a name.
Ok bozo
Yeah, you also have to add an adjective for more power.
Like stupid bozo
The amount of parents that think that teachers owe respect to their kids above all else is infuriating. It’s a real problem in Brazil, both in public and private schools
Private schools are tough because you have to educate both the children and their parents
In public school, all the kids are smoking weed, and are chill, in private schools all the kids can afford and are doing coke, and therefore not very chill
I get it: teens suck, kids these days have it too easy, snowflake PC blah blah blah.
But if a child has felt it important enough to report to their parents that a teacher is calling them names, then that child is not learning in a safe environment. The child has been told directly by their teacher that they are not viewed as intelligent or capable. That is not conducive to positive learning outcomes, or mental health.
I agree that Bozo is a very light term, and if the relationship between the teacher and student were close, it could be seen as a joke between people with a mutual respect, but we don’t know the state of the relationship here. The teacher could be a complete asshole, and this is the fifth time they have singled out the student in this way.
People here are saying “toughen up!” “The real world won’t be so kind!”, but I would argue that that is a failing of adults in the real world. Why are we teaching kids that the world is terrible and the only way to survive is to become just as bad? I’d rather teach students to value each other’s strengths, and to not accept the hatred and sadness of other people.
Agreed.
And the fact that this teacher is sharing screenshots of private conversations with parents online makes me think it’s not such a bad idea if the principal does get involved, just to make sure everything is okay in the class.
I don’t think we have enough information either way. Could be the kid told their parent cracking up about it and the parent freaked out.
Or like a student who basically made up few other things about my aunt, his teacher, because he just didn’t like her. My aunt called him imbecile for distracting the class (or something similar like idiot) and the kid went home and complained to parents by making a story that my aunt has affair with other teacher, he claimed to have seen them kissing in the hallway. And my aunt called him imbecile because he confronted my aunt about it. Parents were obviously livid and demanded my aunt to be fired.
District disciplinary committee had to review six months of hallway footage, also footage in the class where there was no confrontation between teacher and student. Before giving my aunt clean chit. She was suspended for a week, she was compensated for it later. Thank unions.
Anyway I’m not speculating weather the kid deserved it or not, maybe my aunt was unfair in language, but kids sometimes make shit up with their parents. And we don’t enough information from the post about the full context.
We also don’t know if the child was actually distressed or took it as a joke and was perhaps just telling their parent because they thought it was funny.
Forgot:
I see where he gets it from.
left off because, heh, reasons.
Just gonna advocate for the devil on this one and say teachers shouldn’t be calling kids names.
I dunno man if a kid can’t handle being called bozo… it would be good to teach that kid to be more resilient.
Prob best not to call kids names, sure, but damn
Just gonna advocate for the devil on this one and say the devil would advocate for calling kids names. Fuck those little shites.
I agree. I’ve had problems with this working for a school district, when a student was younger a nickname teachers and students called them was innocent enough, but as they are getting older they find it embarrassing and they have difficulty communicating on top of that, so it was a headache. the adults should stick to preferred names only.
Also, thing about kids is you don’t always know how they feel based on their external reactions.
Man. If my kids teacher ever contacted me like this, you can be damned sure my kid would be disciplined appropriately. Most likely a reduction of privileges until the teacher acknowledged that their behavior had improved. This kind of shit would never fly in my house.
Luckily my kids were all very well behaved and conscientious about their schooling.
I’m with you. Call my kids out if they are being dickheads. Call me if it doesn’t improve - I’ll set them straight
Righteous parenting.
Punished if ever they screw around? Already well behaved.
Hmm, what a coincidence 🤣
My sarcasm meter is broken.
A friend of mine is a teacher, and he told me the following story a while back:
A student had an oral exam and was so nervous that he couldn’t get a word out. So my friend coordinated with the “exam committee” to give the student a second chance, which, fortunately, was possible that very same day thanks to some persuasion among his colleagues. After my friend worked with the student to help him regain his confidence, the second attempt at the exam went better - the student was still very nervous, but overall, it was enough to barely pass the exam. The student was absolutely thrilled, and the examiners were reasonably satisfied.
My friend thought to himself: All right, that turned out well after all - but unfortunately, no: The student’s parents sued the school because they were dissatisfied with their son’s exam grade. The lawsuit was based on the claim that the exam regulations weren’t strictly followed, since the student had to take the exam twice (with different exam topics, so the other students wouldn’t be at a disadvantage, of course). The parents won the lawsuit, and the court ruled that the oral exam must be repeated.
So now the completely dismayed student had to take the exam again - a nightmare for the poor guy. The examiners were the same ones who, despite the absurdity of his parents’ demands, remained well-disposed toward him. However, the student was understandably even more nervous the third time - so much so that he once again couldn’t get a single word out. This time, my friend’s hands were tied, since everything had to be completely correct from an administrative standpoint. So, unfortunately, the examiners had no choice but to fail the nervous student, meaning that, thanks to his parents, he ultimately did not receive his diploma.
So here too: insane parents who even ruined their own son’s graduation because of their unrealistic expectations.
It’s a real shame, but unfortunately that’s how it went all thanks to the student’s crazy parents…
Very strange that the second attempt wasn’t simply stricken from the record if it wasn’t allowed at all. If second attempts weren’t allowed, why give them a third attempt? I wonder if there was a proper way to get a second attempt that wasn’t followed, like you have to apply to the state exam body rather than handling it in house.
This appears to be the reasoning: The first and second attempts were invalidated because both were inadmissible under the examination regulations (strictly speaking, the student should have failed on the first attempt). Therefore, a new exam date was scheduled, on which the student then failed for the same reason, he should have failed on the first attempt (the exam regulations do not provide for exceptions due to nervousness, but rather stipulate that the examinee fails in such cases because his performance is insufficient to pass).
So only the third attempt was counted, which meant the student did not receive his diploma, since he would have had to pass that oral exam to do so - which, unfortunately, he did not after his second attempt was striken from the record.
My friend had simply tried to appeal to human leniency, which is strictly speaking not permitted under official rules. It’s quite possible that the first attempt wasn’t even officially recorded, since the student should have already failed. Unfortunately, I don’t know what exactly was recorded for the first attempt.
Apparently, however, the judge or the responsible administrative official at the Ministry of Education had at least some sympathy, since they had the entire exam retaken. But it’s also quite possible that this is the standard procedure when inconsistencies arise regarding the exam regulations. Administratively, it’s probably way easier than initiating an detailed “investigation” of the case.
But yeah, all in all: pretty strange.
Edit: I think it is certainly possible to reschedule an exam, but I assume that a doctor’s note must be submitted to prove that the examinee is unable to take the exam for health reasons.
The student might have been able to get such a note, but since this seems to be an ongoing problem, it would probably have been nothing more than a temporary reprieve.
That poor kid is probably so abused by the parents to make him so anxious.
It happens so much sadly. I remember a classmate of mine getting a 9 out of 10 on an exam and when he heard that he started stabbing himself with the pointy end of a compass because it wasn’t a 10 out of 10. Apparently the poor guy was chastised at home if he didn’t get a 9,5 at the least.
What country is this where you have to pass an oral exam to graduate and parents can sue schools over exam results?
On the first point, it might have been a combined grade so that the fail is based on doing badly in multiple components. Eg if you take a French exam here, it’s
- 20% aural
- 55% written
- 25% oral
We only hear about the oral component because of the interesting story, but decent chance the student was a bozo and bombed the other components too.
Germany.
However, the complaint was not directed at the grade itself, but rather at a violation of the examination regulations, which do not allow for a retake of an oral exam simply because the student is too nervous to pass. That is why my friend was unable to secure another exception on the student’s third attempt - everything unfortunately had to be strictly correct.
I don’t teach myself, but I’ve heard from various friends that lawsuits over the most absurd things are definitely a thing in Germany, too. As a result, teachers have far fewer freedoms than they did ten years ago - and also face much more bureaucratic red tape to document everything in a way that reduces the risk of lawsuits.
I’m not really familiar with that area myself, but unfortunately, I can easily imagine how frustrating it must be for the teachers.
Edit: Here is an article that describes the problem (in German).
That kid must have been livid with his parents.
He’ll get his payback when he never comes back and goes through the legal loopholes to change his identity.
Fear makes for interesting motivations.
And I bet he’s too terrified to tell them.
I get the distinct impression being yelled at by his parents are why he was so nervous of speaking in public. It was the case for me as a kid
That’s a bingo. Same here.
Probably didn’t say a word about it
Idk but IB regulations are kinda like this, and ive heard of people actually taking other students/teachers to court over shit. IB is the most fucked up school you could choose ever, do not choose it(speaking from experience). So if your child wants to go on an international line its much better to get some government scolarship kindof thing if thats possible.
I went to an IB school 25+ years ago, didn’t seem that crazy then. I’m curious how time has changed this
I’m very curious with a vested interest, as my young’un is going to a school with both IB and other types of qualifications on offer to study. How is IB flawed in comparison to, say, GCSE or A levels? Would value any insight.
I dont know about the american/uk system, it might be better there. I went to the international line in europe and it was a complete disharmony between how the teachers thought they should teach and what kind of teaching IB required. Theres also a lot of shady stuff with IB, like you can basically pay for an expensive tutor and completely coincidentally they will teach you the exact right knowledge to get a good score on the exams. The problem with this is that if the exams dont have a certain subject in them that year, the tutor wont teach that. Basically if you want your kid to be a successfull businessman or whatever, and you have a lot of money, 100% send em to IB, but if you want them to think for themselves, theres very probably a better option. Once again this mainly applies to my experiences in europe, there are many countries here where IB is a joke, like in hungary nobody goes there cause you have to pay, get worse education, and dont really have any oppurtunities going forward with it. Id say go ask other people but some of them will be absolute IB shills for no reason, and others will say its the antichrist itself. Also from what i understand, you do have to pay for education in uk to get somewhere right? Then id guess IB isnt that bad cause youre paying either way for school.
My partner and many of her friends did IB in the late 2000s and every single one has trauma from the workload and culture of expected achievement and it doesn’t seem to have benefited their careers at all. (I did Running Start instead, a Washington State early college program, and had a very positive experience)
I did GATE (Gifted and Talented Education) from fourth through eighth grade and went with an AP-heavy high school (graduated in 2010) instead of an IB school in the district, and I’d say it left similar scars.
There were aspects that I think were beneficial, such as specialized math tutoring and more hands-on projects, but god the pressure and workload was truly damaging at such a young age. Add undiagnosed ADHD, and you’ve got an 11 year old self-harming as a method to stay focused during the hours and hours of daily homework.
Its like when i was in high school when people would say “aww feck” and teachers would swear jar us, or tell us off. So everybody just said fuck instead, if your gonna bitch about us “swearing” and using alternate words to comply with your “appropriate language” we might as well make it worth the 25 cents
well… I agree you should just swear.
In what world is it OK to text a teacher? Like how does this person even know their teacher’s phone number? This conversation is exactly what parent teacher conferences are for.
I agree, it seems odd; however, I will state that my kid’s school provides an app that allows you to communicate in both directions with teachers. They also use the app to make general announcements like closure for snow, etc. My wife is generally the one doing non-in-person communicating so I haven’t actually used the app (I only recently learned it exists), but hopefully the teacher can filter notifications outside of school hours.
Were I a teacher, I’d be glad to have a way to communicate without sharing personal information.
The majority of my daughter’s teachers in primary and middle school gave out their numbers. Not all, and it wasn’t a requirement, but the majority.
Not that I ever used them. Teachers work hard enough, they don’t need to be available 24x7.
That’s beyond strange to me. The only time I’ve ever used my personal phone for work purposes was the one job I had where they paid for it.
It is a very expensive private school. Probably got different rules.
this is the primary way I interact with my kids teachers, and they’re in public school. we use an app, so the parents don’t have access to the staffs personal phone numbers, so there’s really no response unless the staff member is available to read and respond as part of their job.
Often there are apps specific for school, which I think is totally reasonable. (Although I’d like the schools to use less proprietary software and more open).
