• nednobbins@lemmy.zip
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    I love the implied message in various switches.

    Your average wall switch is about convenience. It says that it’s ready to go on or off with reasonable effort.

    The “emergency stop” switch is designed to be as easy as possible to hit. If you’re barely hanging on to consciousness, are missing your hands, and have only a vague notion that you really need to push that button, you can smash it with any available body part and it will switch.

    The nuke switch is the opposite. It says that you really really really better be sure before you flick this switch. If you aren’t alert enough to solve a bit of a puzzle, the switch stays off.

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      Good to know that one of the high-tech speed bumps between us and atomic obliteration is an inconveniently positioned ½" steel tab with a warning that says “you really probably shouldn’t” 🤣

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        “one of” is doing some heavy lifting there :)

        That button isn’t meant to stop crazy or evil people from killing us all. That’s (hopefully) taken care of by things like careful pilot vetting.

        A completely sane and non-mass-murderous pilot might still accidentally press a normal button. Especially if they were tired near the end of a long mission.

        It’s not as stringent as the safeguard that Roger Fisher proposed. He suggested that the nuclear launch codes be placed in a capsule and surgically implanted near the heart of a volunteer. That volunteer would follow the president around with a butcher knife. If the president ever wanted to launch the nukes it would need to be serious enough that he was willing to take that knife and carve the launch codes out of the chest of an innocent man.

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          I like the Homer approach. I want three different nuclear launch codes! One here, here, and here. You can never remember the nuclear launch code when you’re angry.

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          The current guy has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people globally for his own ego, so one orange shitgibbon filleting an innocent person to end his amphetamine psychosis fueled tweet rampage at 3 am isn’t far fetched.

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          But not just any tape! This 3x1" hyper-engineered marvel has been rigorously tested, exhaustively reviewed, signed off by a slew of brass, lost in a logistics chokepoint, found again, shipped faster-than-thought to a facility that’s nearly spelled the same but on the wrong continent… So, this tape? This is what we pulled off the battery hatch for the coffee room’s boombox while we wait for the certified piece.

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            Looks like we just found our new marketing executive for HEMtape boys! Tell us more about this tape’s military applications.

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              Well, I’ll be honest with you all. This here tape’s military applications are legion! Truly grasping the array of options here, often leaves lesser men whimpering in the face of that freedom. So, you gotta ask yourself: you gonna cry about it, or are you gonna bitchslap that problem solved and roar at whatever challenger’s in the wings? Grip that roll of answers. Dole out justice. We’ll make more.

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      I’m sober and not impaired in any way. Now tell me how tf do I drop some nukes???

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    Since when do they put nuclear warheads on F-16?

    Or is it just the button to say “You are allowed to nuke my position if it is necessary for the mission”

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      F-16s were certified to carry B-61 nuclear bombs in October 1980, the same time they were certified as combat operational with the USAF.

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            Oh that one they had in the 80s with the wings that would fold back, that was an F14? I always thought it was an F16, but I don’t know shit about planes other than some flight sims I played decades ago.

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              Folding wings is practically the trademark of the F-14 Tomcat. I understand why we stopped making planes that do that, but I thought the folding wings was the coolest shit as a kid.

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                Right up there with suicide doors and the bench-seat as trunk-space “upgrade”. 🤣

                As a kid, I was super interested in entering/exiting vehicles being dramatically faster, and spent years watching every trip go by via rearview w/ the fam noise in the back of my mind. ☝🏼

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                Also (correct me where I’m wrong) I thought the F16 seated two, a pilot and a weapons officer, while the f14 only had the pilot? And I thought the GI Joe toy sat two. Of course the folding wing would be the much more obvious identifier, given it’s a toy and a replica where they probably took a lot of license, and this isn’t that tank wars forum where everyone is posting military secret schematics for akshually points.

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              LOL, I had my “JETS ARE COOL!” phase when the F-1n fighters were the only active ones, so yeah. The swing-wing one from Top Gun is an F-14. F-16’s (provided by the Israeli Air Force, so… yay?) were featured in the, ahem, somewhat less well regarded Louis Gossett Jr. vehicle Iron Eagle.

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                Hey, you leave ol’ Iron Eagle outta this. That was the best fuckyeah-milprop winter blockbuster that '86 had offer. Besides, at least LG Jr isn’t a gawdamn sociopathic cultist. 😅 I think.

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      Imagine if there was an accidental nuclear strike because the government refused to spring for $0.01 worth of panel fasteners and the industry standard will-only-fail-once-every-million-years arrangement hit that one-in-a-million situation.

      Penny-wise and pound-foolish.

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        I’m not thinking of upfront cost, I’m thinking about the engineer that needs to constantly change drivers to access something. Huge pain in the ass, plus a higher chance of FOD.

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      High torque on the side holds one of the cockpit fairings and isn’t involved with the switch. Flathead fasteners are trapped screws and part of a different module that can be removed independently of the switch. Only the phillips is part of the switch assembly.

      The vast majority of screws are high-torque, while a few odd bits and bobs are different types for one reason or another. It’s not as bad as you’d expect.

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        Not a Phillips, that’s a Pozidriv.

        And Torq-Set might be higher torque, but it still sucks. The heads strip and bits cam out just like Phillips. If anything, they use it because it’s easier to take out because the offset gives it more torque in removal.

        I’m guessing the slotted screws are there to discourage a 200 lb gorilla from trying to use an impact driver.

        Just use Torx, for the love of science. I’ll allow Robertson but only for wood screws.

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          It may be a pozidriv, but I guarantee you the vast majority are being removed and installed with a #2 phillips driver, chalk it up to government efficiency again, lol. However, as egregious of a fastener sin as this is, to my knowledge it has yet to cause a catastrophic incident or frequent work stoppages.

          The slotteds are maybe a step up from a thumb screw, not much torque at all on those, If you have to use an impact driver someone fucked up intentionally in such a way that it would almost constitute deliberate sabotage. They’re recessed below the panel so you need a little something for purchase, hence the slot. They’re also integral to the component, so no chance of FOD with those.

          It’s a 50 year old airframe, torx was still relatively new around the same time it was first being drawn up. Torq-set has been around since the late 50’s or early 60’s IIRC and is a proven NASM standard. They went with what they knew worked in an aviation application, and it gets the job done well enough. And, as I was pointing out in my last comment, it’s typically one kind of fastener per job, unless its a fairly big job. So the work flows fairly smoothly considering the age of the aircraft and number of subcontractors involved.

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      You’d be shocked at how many times we’ve almost seen a nuclear apocalypse for this exact reason.

      The end is far more likely to come from a whoopsie daisy than an intentional decision.

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          Who’s got two thumbs and has your back?

          This guy! (you can’t see it, but I’m using both thumbs to point at myself. I’m really doing it. As I type this. Don’t doubt me.)

          Hast du etwas Zeit für mich 
          Dann singe ich ein Lied für dich 
          Von 99 Luftballons 
          Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont 
          Denkst du vielleicht grad’ an mich 
          Dann singe ich ein Lied für dich 
          Von 99 Luftballons 
          Und dass sowas von sowas kommt

          99 Luftballons 
          Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont 
          Hielt man für Ufo’s aus dem All 
          Drum schickte ein General 
          ‘Ne Fliegerstaffel hinterher, 
          Alarm zu geben, wenn’s so wär’ 
          Dabei war’n dort am Horizont 
          Nur 99 Luftballons.

          99 Düsenflieger 
          Jeder war ein großer Krieger 
          Hielten sich für Captain Kirk 
          Es gab ein großes Feuerwerk 
          Die Nachbarn haben nichts gerafft 
          Und fühlten sich gleich angemacht 
          Dabei schoss man am Horizont 
          Auf 99 Luftballons

          99 Kriegsminister 
          Streichholz und Benzinkanister 
          Hielten sich für schlaue Leute 
          Witterten schon fette Beute 
          Riefen Krieg und wollten Macht 
          Mann, wer hätte das gedacht 
          Dass es einmal soweit kommt 
          Wegen 99 Luftballons 
          Wegen 99 Luftballons 
          99 Luftballons

          99 Jahre Krieg 
          Ließen keinen Platz für Sieger 
          Kriegsminister gibt’s nicht mehr 
          Und auch keine Düsenflieger 
          Heute zieh’ ich meine Runden 
          Seh’ die Welt in Trümmern liegen 
          Hab’ ‘nen Luftballon gefunden 
          Denk’ an euch und lass’ ihn fliegen

          If you want it en ingles then find a site that doesn’t make it a bitch to copy and paste. It’s about a world civilization ending war because people in love let loose a bunch of balloons. 99 to be exact. We’ve been 30 minutes away from white hot civilizational atonement ever since nuclear armistice became a concept.

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    What needs to be done to move/remove the red guard piece so that the switch can be used? Is it something the pilot can just do quickly, does it require a special tool, etc.?

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      Consent is short for ‘concentric plug’ (as in an outlet) so I assume it provides nuclear power in case you want to plug in a kettle or something.

      / コンセント (konsento) is the Japanese word for a power outlet and comes from this. Trying to figure out WTF ‘consent’ came from is the only reason I know this.

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      So nuclear weapons require a few more steps than a normal bomb in order to arm properly. A normal bomb can be impact fuzed and just arm itself as soon as it drops off the plane. A nuclear bomb has to have specific things happen in a specific order and specific timing in order to go off right, and is built very specifically to make sure there are multiple steps needed to even begin that process (theoretically). The positions here are “I just want to get rid of the bomb” (REL), which you would use in case of a crash or a forced landing with damage, or a fire or something, and “yes I’m sure I want to nuke that target” (ARM/REL).