My wife has been getting GLP-1 ads constantly. She weighs 110 lb and has struggled with anorexic tendencies since she was a teenager. Consumerism has no conscience.
Insecurity will poison every aspect of your life
Self confidence is attractive
1). Society tells women they need to do things “preventively” to avoid becoming hideous goblins in a few years. That’s why you see 22 year olds getting Botox - they have been told they have to start paying NOW to avoid wrinkles
2). Hollywood and entertainment media have normalized unrealistic standards. And you can’t become a newcomer in that space without conforming to the employable look
3). Gossip media loves to pick apart any millimetre of fat (“Is ______ pregnant? Click to see her baby bump!”) or photo taken in bad lighting (“What is wrong with ______ ‘s health, click to see what our medical specialists have to say”). And then they love to chastise people after they give into plastic surgery (“Click to see ______’s terrible nose job, why DID she do it??”)
Billions of dollars are made making women feel shitty. Nobody is going to let that cash go because morals.
This meme is part of the system here as well.
No one in this thread is complaining about ugly women getting these procedures done. They want women to be attractive, but only on their terms.
Fuck the patriarchy. All my homies hate the patriarchy.
Yes it’s irritating that society can celebrate the good qualities of men who aren’t physically attractive (sense of humour, intelligence, kindness, etc.) but has such trouble accepting that a woman who isn’t physically attractive can have worthwhile qualities. We can’t seem to compute when a woman decides that she has other priorities.
It’s her body and she gets to make the choice
Does she now. Or is it that many women are bombarded with so much bullshit starting from so early an age that for many it is not them exercising their choice, but a bunch of assholes extracting money from them with no regards to consequences?
I technically agree with this. If it came down to making laws about this or that, body autonomy takes priority. But I don’t think that should preclude discussion about an individual’s motivation for the modification, and whether it is healthy.
Especially since women are under constant pressure to chase unrealistic beauty expectations.
She has Graves’ disease.
That requires the hideous mods she did to her face?
She was super super pretty, even if not your type, she looked great. Wtf did she do.
She lost a shit ton of weight because of Graves’ disease. Edit: I just remembered, the steroids used to treat Graves’ disease also affect how your face looks.
She also had some work done, but not anything more than any other actress has generally.
People really don’t understand how hard thyroid issues will impact your body and appearance.
I kind of hate that this implies “ugly” women will not be judged here for using the same beauty procedures as already attractive women.
Not to mention that these beauty procedures are also sought out by men.
Changing your looks can help a lot with confidence.
Wholesome plot twist; the “already attractive women” includes all the women.
On Lemmy?
Haaaaaahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
It’s a nice thought regardless :)
I’m certain that all women are attractive in somebody’s eye.
There are definitely some thirsty fuckers out and about.
You don’t need to defend OP. There’s a reason “already attractive women” is used.
Reverse discrimination, nice.
More like targeted discrimination. OP is a man judging a subset of women.
Yeah, this post is just misogynistic.
“You already make my dick hard, why are you still insecure?!”
Yeah it’s gross.
I lost about 100lbs on a prescription similar to ozempic. The world is much kinder to me now. I got a promotion, more hours working, society is friendlier and kinder. I would recommend anyone considering it talk to their doctor.
I also lost about 100 pounds by eating one meal a day and walking a lot and using the EC stack.
In the span of seven years, I nearly quintupled my income.
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You are what you think about, and if you don’t control your thoughts, they control you.
Judging people they don’t know by their appearance.
I’ve seen WAY more women tear down other women for their appearance than men. That and the crazy online dating statistics that came out showing women judge people by their appearance way more harshly.
I don’t know if its a cultural problem or not, but people in general judge others by their appearance. Beautiful men have pretty privilege just as much as women.
I’m a dude but pretty much all the negative comments I get about my appearance come from women. The most I get from dudes occasionally is something akin to “lol, short” but mostly they compliment the fact that I work out. Women go into details about things they see wrong with me. Like I get that for women complimenting me comes with the risk that I’ll be a weirdo about it (not that I actually would) but you can just not say anything…
This is it, right here. It really doesn’t matter what women do, there will be a legion of people coming out of the woodwork to disapprove. I’m hardly a transhumanist but when it comes to those small modifications to ourselves to feel more attractive, I’m all for it.
There’s no question that judging women by their appearance is a widespread problem, but doing expensive/unsafe medical things for the sake of appearance is also about personality.
Yes… a personality often built off the unhealthy relationship society has with women’s physical appearance. Sure, women can not care, but their lives will often unfortunately be much more difficult for it. Even accounting for the effort put into their appearance. These things are not so easily divorced in reality as they are in online discussions.
I’m not ignoring societal pressures, but at some point you have to take responsibility for your priorities. I assume you wouldn’t excuse billionaires as just participating in capitalism and doing what they’re “supposed” to do. The harm of invasive medical procedures and medications for aesthetic reasons seems like a good place to draw the line and say “you have a problem”
comparing woman and the societal struggle they are forced through just by existing is not the same as choosing to maintain an evil system of financial oppression on the working class.
this is a poor argument.
But they’re pressured into it
This is pretending like it’s all women who do this, or even all the ones who care about their appreance. It’s usually only the extremely wealthy and/or famous. Most normal women don’t see the need for these procedures, but the ones trying to be famous/popular are predisposed to thinking others will look down on them for aging.
Am I supposed to know Ariana Grande on some deep interpersonal level to realize that she looks like a walking corpse?
Oh, wow. I hadn’t seen what she looked like in quite a while. I just looked her up, and that’s uncanny. I would bet her issue stems from the fact she became famous as a child, and feels the need to keep up that appearance. Most famous women are trying to prevent indications of aging (and failing harder than doing nothing), but that’s trying to stay looking 30s, not like a teenager.
A fun fact about opinions is that you can keep that shit to yourself. I dont know you but I’m not gonna offer my opinion cuz no one asked. Just because we all have a soapbox doesn’t mean we gotta use it
“That’s just like your opinion man…”
No, Ariana is beyond opinion. You can literally count her ribs. I literally cringe every time I see her. It’s beyond attractive or unattractive, she simply is not healthy.
Yeah when you can see their ribcage is when I stop thinking they look good and need to get some calories in them.
Same for the “hyper shredded” men who need to drink more fluids.
A fun fact about opinions is that you can keep that shit to yourself
Good thing they didn’t offer an opinion.
Ariana Grande looks insanely unhealthy, like a skeleton, and appears to be in a health crisis with either ED or GLP1 abuse.
That isn’t an opinion, that’s a fact. She’s undeniably not naturally that bone thin, nor that inactive during her performances like she’s been recently.
Wow she responded to Lemmy
“The body that you’ve been comparing my current body to was the unhealthiest version of my body. I was on a lot of antidepressants and drinking on them and eating poorly,” she said. “[I was] at the lowest point of my life when I looked the way you consider my healthy, but that in fact wasn’t my healthy.”
(Actually April 2023)
OK all done with celebrity stuff for the month then! :) cared enough to quickly search once and accidentally found this^ but not opining
This might be shocking to learn, but someone who’s clearly going through a health crisis and is clearly extremely unhealthy due to an ED or GLP1 misuse, may actually lie about being unhealthy to get the scrutiny off of them.
Not to mention Ariana went 30+ years not looking like an actual skeleton. No way in fuck her prior body was less healthy.
But this is your opinion that you are sharing even though nobody asked which kind of invalidates your opinion in a way that is humorous
Not an opinion to state that you can keep your opinion to yourself
It’s my opinion that it is an opinion
I like onions.
YOU CANT DO THAT, JUST STATE THINGS ON THE INTERNET
I think its reasonable to bring attention to the extremely harmful act of women, who are held by society as the beauty standard, are anorexic or abusing weight loss drugs when it isn’t necessary.
We have countless studies on the ill effects idolizing women with unrealistic body standards, especially to the point they’re harming themselves to achieve them, has on women and young girls. This recent revival of the “heroine chick” beauty standard via eating disorders and GLP1 abuse is a nightmare to the psyche of women and girls, and also does damage the psyche of men and young boys for that matter.
“Heroin chic” is the fashion of looking starved and shadowed as if you’re a heroin addict.
“Heroine chick” is Supergirl
“You are my heroine! And by that I mean lady hero. I don’t want to inject you and listen to jazz”
Because patriarchy.
That strikes me as a super cop out. People just like to be noticed and recognized and the more of it you have, the more of it you want, just like wealth.
I don’t go to the gym because of unrealistic male body standards, I do it because it feels good to be noticed even after you’ve got kids and you’re happily married. It feels good to win and it feels bad to lose but if you have to lose at least you can crab bucket?
Bruh, its just as simple as that. Apply Occams Razor…
Take me down your line of thought because I don’t see how Occam’s razor applies. Everyone likes to be perceived as attractive or MORE attractive. It’s not just women who take GLP-1s or get plastic surgery. And it’s not just ugly people or pretty people, it’s everybody. It’s nicer to be desirable by popular standards than not. That’s not the patriarchy, that’s comparative evaluation for mate selection.
And if you’re not into that it’s fine, but everyone likes to be viewed as attractive.
I find the “bruh it’s the patriarchy” to be, frankly, pretty fucking dumb.
Im just gonna give you ine example.
I got to the gym, because it improves my health and abilities, allowing me to do more and do it longer. Because I like experiencing life, so it allows me to experience more.
You do it to get noticed. Why?
Why not?
I increase weight and duration to be able to do more or go longer than than other people which brings feelings of accomplishment. It also brings all the benefits you describe. You don’t HAVE to compete, but that doesn’t mean that people who do compete are just victims of the patriarchy, that’s an absurd take.
It’s almost like we can all do things for different reasons and you don’t have a monopoly on why people should do a thing.
You don’t HAVE to compete, but that doesn’t mean that people who do compete are just victims of the patriarchy, that’s an absurd take
People who do compete without a set goal (e.g. I win this cup, get the prize money and go do X that I want to do) are victims of bullshit. Was it patriarchy that cooked some particular bullshit up or not is not really the biggest question
People who do compete without a set goal (e.g. I win this cup, get the prize money and go do X that I want to do) are victims of bullshit.
That is a wild take.
To borrow from Daniel Pink’s book “Drive” which focuses on motivation theory, external motivators like money or prizes take you nowhere near as far as internal motivators. You are more likely to succeed generally and reach higher levels of performance if your motivation is intrinsic because you give that motivation to yourself and it is self-amplifying. Of course, his bent is more business-meets-academia, but I would struggle to see a world where it doesn’t also apply here. Would you just up and start a new hobby because you won the local competition?
It seems to me that by your logic you go take a karate class so you can get a black belt and then quit? Where’s the satisfaction in that? I don’t think that’s a problem of being a “victim of bullshit”, it’s about the pursuit of excellence for its own sake.
You feel the need to compete for attention, because you have been told winning a competition increases your “value”…
Why do you think or feel that competing increases your value, somehow?
You feel its all just “mate selection” and Im telling that is a facet of the patriarchy…
I’m telling you I like to compete and by every metric I’m probably both healthier and more capable than you as a result. I’m glad you’re working on it, but the difference between us is not “patriarchy” no matter how you shoehorn it, it is more likely not being in good shape and trying to catch up. I like attention as a motivator sure, but success and improvement are their own rewards. People can just be just more motivated than you. Bodybuilding and powerlifting are both things people enjoy for their own sake.
Society isn’t the thing keeping you down, it’s the law of averages. Most people suck. At everything. All the time. Welcome.
I just poop and then I weigh less. And then I eat it again and I weigh the same.
You what.
That’s English, you inliterate
I dunno, I think the tides of public opinion are shifting on ozempic. Mostly because of how absolutely awful being fat is on your body. Though, where it’s priced now it’s going to remain a designer drug for vain, rich assholes with a touch of sour grapes for everyone else.
In my own opinion I wouldn’t even put it in the same category as those others.
I know a couple people that are on some of those ozembic type drugs for their weight and it’s done wonders for them. They were obese though, not already at a good weight, and nothing else they tried worked for them because their food cravings were too much for them to deal with. With the drug they are able to manage their diet and maintain a healthy weight effectively.
Like most things, Ozempic is fine by itself. But when you put it in the context of a society obsessed with both unrealistic beauty standards and assigning moral weight to any perceived “flaw,” Ozempic is a fast track to returning to the eating disorder epidemic of the 1980s-2000s.
Future historians will also note the coincidence of the meteoric rise of Ozempic with the rise of fascism. Making people feel bad about themselves is how the ruling class and patriarchy exert control. They want you to be unhealthily obsessed with your weight, just as they want you to be addicted to drugs, porn, video games, etc. The radical body acceptance movement was a direct threat to their power, and Ozempic has pretty much removed it from the conversation.
A healthy body needs fat. As long as you are healthy, you can have fat. The amount and thresholds can vary strongly from person to person.
I’d bet the comment was referring to obesity and not just a healthy amount of fat
Apparently you’re right. I misunderstood it a bit.
hey just wanted to say - thanks for admitting you misunderstood something. such a rare sight on the internet
I agree, but if we look at the CDC: Percent of adults age 20 and older with overweight, including obesity: 72.4% (August 2021-August 2023)
72 point freakin’ 4 percent.
With numbers like that, obesity is more like an epedemic and ozempic is a potential treatment.
Hey that’s obese and overweight. Obese alone is only like half of everyone!
Trü.
I guess I stumbled upon the wording “how awful being fat is on your body”.
Then it should probably be rephrased to say how awful being obese is on your body.
Ozempic causes GI issues, such as paralysis, and numerous other issues like fatigue and depression because starving yourself isn’t healthy. Just exercise and eat a better diet. Exercise is so good for you that fat people who exercise are actually healthier than people of a healthy weight who are sedentary. No fucking way would I ever go on a weight loss drug.
I’m not sure where you read that, but as far as I know it doesn’t cause people to starve themselves. It suppresses hunger so they eat a normal amount of food in an era where calorie-dense, hyperpalatable food is the norm.
Diet and exercise is the gold standard, but some people just can’t regulate their diet for whatever reason. Be it discipline or genetics. Ultimately though it doesn’t matter because the bottom line is a staggering amount of people are at an unhealthy weight.
Being overweight is so bad for your health that known side effects of a drug like ozempic are negligible in comparison. The ones we know about, anyway.
https://wernerhoffman.com/mass-tort-lawyer/ozempic-stomach-paralysis/
It’s like 1/20 patients.
Thanks for coming in with that. From what I’ve heard from my family members in healthcare I knew it was bad, I just didn’t have any actual data.
That’s pretty fucking high
Like with most new drugs it’s something to keep an eye on, though I would be weary of using a source with such a significant financial bias.
I didn’t read it. I had a doctor tell that to me.
Doctors say all sorts of things.
The fundamental premise of prescribing medication is that the best medication is no medication.
Like if someone’s depressed, they should try talking it out before taking anti-depressants.
Once you accept that premise then the doctor’s job is to motivate people to try talking to a friend, or exercising, before prescribing any medication.
“A person who’s feeling sad is much more likely to make a full recovery just talking to a friend a few times a week than someone who starts anti-depressants”
That doesn’t mean that anti-depressants aren’t appropriate for someone who’s really going through it and has exhausted other forms of therapy.
I know all that. I have a lot of family members in healthcare. I responded to you at like 4 am, but I could have given a better response. Still on like 4 hours of sleep lol.
I’m honestly just waiting to see what kind of new side-effects gets listed in the next 5-10 years with these weightloss drugs. I wouldn’t risk anything with this level new medicine, and I’m struggling with losing weight right now.
Because the cosmetics industry spends billions of dollars a year yelling at women that they aren’t good enough.
They’re working the same bullshit on boys too (publicly) for the last 20 years.
Is that why every brodude smells like tea-tree oil to high heaven now? Every nu-male must be drinking the same Faceslop and Instaslop trends
I mean, it’s been going on far longer than 20 years. It’s just been more directly relatable to how women’s appearances have been critiqued since ‘metrosexuality’ was a trend a couple decades ago.
Yes. I specifically mention 20 years because that is roughly where Neutrogena said at a shareholder meeting that their goal was to addict boys and men to their products like they have to girls and women.
And then that gets hyper magnified through our little pocket black mirrors that most commonly destroy your attention span, thus ability to deeply consider any concept or do deep introspection, and it creates an incentive structure for people to turn themselves into superficial advertisement mascot people, which itself then becomes culturally normalized.
the thing is, those ppl have seen others with mar-a-lago face. it’s uncanny. still they do it. they are like “i wanna look bad and unnatural”. we have to accept that. their body; their choice.
I thought it was relatively well known that you’re mostly only noticing people that either have went too far or didn’t respond well to whatever treatment.
The thing is that the majority mostly fall under two categories; ones that look natural to the person and you don’t notice them or things that the viewer might not find attractive but the person wanted.
Ie a rhinoplasty to change the side profile of your face via straightening your nose, while maintaining a similar frontal profile.
Vs
A rhinoplasty to create a pinched in upturned nose similar to a bratz doll
Both are rhinoplasty, but achieve quite different goals. Im just saying it’s complex.
also, depending on personal preference, “too far” is usually any change. it’s hard to top thousands of years of human evolution. even a cute face with a medium size scar often looks good to most ppl; better even, than the outcome of reconstructive surgery.
if you have seen the person before, you will always notice and it will be uncanny. you can even notice just botox as soon as a person speaks and it’s weird.
but it’s also a matter of taste, like a piercing, for example. some ppl will be like “nooo, what did you do to your perfect face” and others will be like “i’m into that”. the question is what ones priorities are. do they want to look well for others and if so, whom? or do they do it for themselves and it doesn’t matter if others are weirded out.
That’s not right.
They are yelling at women that they aren’t good enough… unless they are waring their product. Oh if you use that other product you are just as ugly as you feel inside.
Hot take: advertising doesnt have that much impact on womens views of their own attractiveness or society’s beauty standards, unless those women are completely disconnected from the outside world. If it did, women’s beauty standards would be completely homogenenized. Instead, we see significantly different standards for what women strive for between cultures and social strata.
Instead, women are picking up cues from their social circles and the broader cultures they participate in.
Okay, then you can see that in many ways advertising creates and reinforces the looks of these subcultures in the first place.
We are not taking strict commercial advertising here, we are talking a coordinated effort across all cultural platforms to ingrain their brands.
Magazines, movies, music, tv, games, the military, higher education, bars, and even books etc; can and do have corporate sponsorships. They are all selling an image inside of each of these subcultures.
With the rise of globalism this has been spread throughout the world.
coordinated effort
This is our point of disagreement. The effort isn’t coordinated. In fact, it is competitive. If you believe there is some high council of global beauty standards, disseminating their message to every bar and tv show and school in the world, you are a conspiracy nut.
Instead, these entities look at the subcultures they sell to, observe what people consider beautiful in them, and then sell that image.
If you don’t think there is a coordinated effort to market products globally in the year 2026, you’re just not thinking thoroughly.
If they makes me a nut than okay I guess
Edit: accidentally said 2016, damn I’m getting old
Do you believe there is some high council of global beauty standards, disseminating their message to every bar and tv show and school in the world? That this message is given, unambiguously, from the global beauty standard high council as marching orders, and then that all these institutions follow suit obediently while also remaining quiet about the fact that they were given these instructions?
think of these things like getting a tattoo. -It’s not done for you.
Because society tells attractive women our value is primarily being attractive and losing that is scary since most people aren’t willing to give up the only thing that makes them valuable
Halo effect is real, most people aren’t self aware enough to realize that they do in fact bias their judgements of others based on how attractive they find them.
When I got fat, people were assholes to me so much more often. They had no patience for me, it was crazy. I got back in shape and I’m worth courtesy and kindness again, apparently.
I’m afraid of aging in part because I’m scared to lose that basic human decency again.
this reminds me of a story. a friend who who underwent HRT and surgical transition early in life with support of her parents. she started dating someone in her mid 20s. he was kind, patient, and gentle to her for the first months of their relationship. then the topic of kids came up. she was upfront with him. “we’d have to adopt. i’m trans” and it was like a lightswitch turned in him. he screamed at her for tricking him and stormed out sticking her with the restaraunt bill. by all of the things that supposedly matter in society, she had done everything right. she was conventionally attractive by femme standards, her physical appearance was so in alignment with femme standards in fact that this secret chud hadn’t even realized she was trans. but still, the moment she couldn’t perform the full societal standard for what it means to be femme presenting, she was met with threats of physical violence, abandoned, and left to fulfill a responsibility that it had been pre-agreed on he would cover.
and i ask you: who tricked who? the trans woman who in 2013 didn’t want to bring up her transness until she knew she was safe, or the man who said he was an ally up until the moment someone he said he loved turned out to require even basic allyship
It’s one of the paradoxes of being trans. You tell you’re trans, “why are you making a big deal out of it, who cares, why is everyone pushing trans agenda these days”, but if you don’t tell, then you’re lying and deceiving others and you should always tell about it, everyone you interact with has the right to know!! There are no winning moves with hate
both of those sounds like a grate reason to be upfront about it with a life partner
i’d be pretty pissed if i didn’t know by the time we’re seriously talking about kids
and if someone is that dismissive about something and talking about ‘trans agenda’ now you know they are a bigot
In my experience, talking about kids on dates is something you need to get out as soon as other basic compatibility is established. It’s an immediate dealbreaker for many, and it’s a critical component of a future relationship. If your date doesn’t want kids and you do, you basically skip GO and are straight to “okay well guess we’re just friends now” or “nice knowing you”.
yep the big deal breakers should all probably air out early
vds, religion, kids, trans, politic
You do not need to look a certain way to be worthy of respect, kindness, and love. And it’s sick that so many people are such superficial assholes.
