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Damn science! Ruining everything for everybody! /s
Devil weed, everyone involved should be killed and the research burned.
That’s why they are finding out about this now and not 1950. Witch hunts are so great, everyone benefits (not).
Gettingbhigh is very important to me, and I stand by my statement.
Publically. Bonfire style. In the middle of city square.
Instructions unclear, now someone’s hosting an execution-themed costume party downtown while blasting Childish Gambino Bonfire mashups
Dunno. Sounds they were clear enough
I’m… actually OK with this
I’m going to run with a little cynicism.
I live somewhere where cannabis is not legal. There’s pressure, sure, but there’s resistance too.
One of the factors that helped it legalized in western countries like Canada and the US is the notion of health. Pain relief. Treatment for some chronic illnesses.
That’s cool. But imagine a pharmaceutical company isolates those health things.
No need to legalized cannabis anymore.
This stuff supports the anti-lefalisation movement by taking the benefits from it.
Damned if we want to use if recreationally.
What do you think happened to cocaine and heroine? Hell, alcohol some places.
What happened to them? I really don’t know the history behind these hard drugs.
They started as medicines and were concentrated, distilled, and extracted to the point where the medicine it became was deadlier than the cure it provided.
Coca leaves are still consumed medicinally/recreationally in some parts of south america.
Poppy seeds have a whole history of being abused and weaponized through the silk road.
Marijuana has faced a similar story, though without the deaths. This hasn’t stopped governments around the world from conflating the deaths caused by other things with the use of medicines that in no way cause death.
I have to point out that in medicine we use the derivatives from cocaine, novacaine, lidocaine, benzocaine etc as potent short/medium term anaesthetics. Drugs like these make dental extractions for example relatively painless today. Pure cocaine was used previously but was far more toxic to the liver and had a much higher incidence of allergic reaction than its modern derivatives.
Hey, that’s cool! This seems promising for enabling people dealing with chronic pain to have more options for ways to control pain without needing to potentially compromise mental function when they need it. Now to scroll through the comment section to see everyone’s completely reasonable and measured takes.
Hey welcome to the internet friend, I hope you enjoy your first day!
Is it a noose made of hemp
Not* sure how that’s possible because the high is what relieves the pain for me. Not thinking about pain when I’m stoned off my ass.
I’m not sure how you can objectively say the high is what gives pain relief. The two are intrinsically linked for you, and you’d be unable to know if it’s one or two chemical processes happening in your body at the same time. It’s just impossible to know.
We’d just have to try it and find out, I guess.
Surely couldn’t hurt, especially if it doesn’t affect your tolerance for THC. Cause I really need to take a tolerance break, but I need pain relief and sleep more.
What about CBD-based sleep aid gummies?
Unfortunately I’ve been there, done that. I feel nothing from CBD whatsoever. No pain relief, no appetite, no sleep. Feels like eating a snack
Nope, I need my THC, so it’ll be interesting to see how this discovery plays out. Maybe I can finally get the relief I need without worrying about needing t-breaks.
Yeah unfortunately I’m the same way. Have tried several CBD things and not one of them do anything for me unless I go max dose, and even then it’s an incredibly mild effect. THC takes nearly nothing though, 15mg is enough for a very strong high. I have friends where the complete opposite is true and I would love to trade them.
Yall are fuckin wierd lol. I absolutely love cannabis, both recreationally and medically. But if there’s an additional choice to isolate the pain relief aspect without the psychoactive effects of THC, that would be amazing as well. It’s not an either/or choice - there are absolutely use cases for both. Regardless, I’m pretty skeptical that terpenes are any more useful for pain control than essential oils are.
This industry relies on innuendo and bots to fill comments on Reddit, anything but actual clinical trials with placebo controls. Same thing with terpene sleep aids.
Thing is, this is the strain that’s gonna be legalized if any. So any fun use would still be illegal.
The states in the US that have already legalized weed are not going to let go of that tax revenue anytime soon.
If I’m not wrong, essential oils are rich in terpenes and maybe that’s what makes them useful as a pain treatment.
Essential oils are not useful as pain treatment.
I have friends that use them and disagree.
You have friends that have made a therapeutic ritual out of using essential oils which helps them only because the placebo effect can be very powerful for pain. Literally anything could stand in for the essential oils. Swap their oil vials out with convincing fakes and they’ll never know the difference because it’s the ritual of smelling and/or applying the oils that’s helping them, not any real physical mechanism of the compounds in the oils interacting with their biology.
This is so stupid. Just more pointless research to make you look the wrong way. Like Cannabis is this miracle plant that could offer us things we didn’t have access to before.
I love Cannabis, she has been one of my best friends for over 25 years but let’s not kid ourselves. These terpenes aren’t unique to Cannabis, you shouldn’t be getting them from Cannabis, you should be getting them from your food.
Unfortunately the food you are sold is dead and empty. Not only are processed foods stripped of all you actually need to support a healthy body, the fruits and veggies you buy are mostly dead strains that are grown in dead soil. It’s cheaper upfront, but then you have to pay for it in supplements, taxes and hospital bills.
Geraniol: Citronella, rose, lemongrass
Linalool: Lavender, mints, citrus, coriander, basil
Beta-caryophyllene: Black pepper, rosemary, cloves, hops
Alpha-humulene: Sage, hops, ginseng, ginger, mints
Terpenes are the key. Spice up your lives.
Slam it to the left if you’re havin’ a good time, shake it to the right If ya know that you feel fine
Chicas to the front! Ha! Ha!
Man, I always thought that line was a reference to 90’s sci fi show Space above and beyond…
Pass.
Call me when they develop weed without pain relief that only gets you high as giraffe balls.
Call me when they invent weed that makes me feel like I’m wearing grade 7 nipple clamps
Huh…I’ve always heard “giraffe pussy.” Lol I never thought about it the other way.
It takes 2 giraffes.
I hate the pain relief/numbing aspect of some strains, it makes me get comfortable in positions that don’t make me feel bad til the nexy day and then I feel bad for a week
Maybe you and I can go splits. You can have my share of the stone if I can have the pain relief part.
Call me when they develop weed that gives all the pain and none of the relief!
Let’s spice things up, russian roulette with weed instead of bullets.
so they have these gummy bears with a shitton of capsaican, like 9,000,000 scovilles or something. you’re supposed to chew them for 5 minutes, and they say it’s like getting maced in the mouth. maybe a 6/10 of pain or something, it’s intense but it’s over fast. also you can make it easier with milk, that’d probably drop it down to a 4/10 or something. But 5 minutes and it’s over.
if you want a pain russian roulette, use those.
Ngl that just sounds like my normal weed for years. Originally took it for foot pain after work and it did nothing, but I was high as fuck and didn’t care that much
that’s kind of how it works though. The first time i took weed I was doing 12 hour shifts in kitchen work, and i noted how it didn’t remove the pain, it just made me stop careing about it.
Smoke enough of the right kinds, and it will make your skin numb.
Definitely still couldn’t walk properly because of pain, seems a bit pointless, but that’s just me
TBF foot/leg pain to a 20 something, is not the same as chronic pain due to an injury, so i’m not discounting you, just voicing my experience.
also, i was smoking 'mersh not the medical grade stuff, so…
Now that’s the idea.
Because god forbid anyone ever feel a high that doesnt benefit corporate cartels.
I mean, i don’t want to feel high while i try to relieve some pain yk
ITT: a lot of people who don’t suffer from chronic pain.
They made it suck.
They already did this a long time ago, with Marinol, a course of which costed like 20k, while a 50 dollar baggie of weed would better do the job.
Didn’t that shit also have tons of side effects? I vaguely remember someone I knew took it and it made them nauseous
My dad his disautonomia so he has to smoke weed in order to cope with the pain from his nervous system.
He’d rather not use pain killers aka morphine aka opiates for risk of getting addicted to those.
Hopefully this compound will help his pain tolerance without giving him the high
Sounds shit. Gimme both tx
Because you’re not allowed to feel good with any medical treatment.
No.
Or because plenty of people want medicine without unwanted side effects.
Yah the mental haze isn’t a fun trap to fall into. (young me as source)
Maybe you want to drive a car safely.
Then I use paracetamol and codeine, and stay off medicinal cannabis
codeine is an opiate. you’re not allowed to drive on that.
let me literally tell you what my pain management MD told me. “Practice doing the sobriety tests on opioids until you can pass” i think i had the worst doctor.
was his last name zuckerkorn?
i wish i was joking
In UK you can if it doesn’t affect your driving.
and how do you tell if it has? imagine if the standard for alcohol was the same…
If you can drive safely then go ahead but if you’re impaired by too much of anything that you would drive poorly then don’t. I thought this was common sense.
the uk sticks out in the statistics of legal limits for alcohol in europe at 0.8‰ BAC; most countries are at 0.2 with some having a zero-tolerance policy, because it affects people so differently and it’s hard to tell.
I am here
I take one tablet, if I need to
“Take opioids instead of non-psychoactive cannabinoids for pain” is a wild take my guy
I once had a social worker tell me I should stop smoking weed and get on opiates. I told him he could go fuck himself.
There was an injection of tongue in cheek with the first comment as well, but that seemed to have missed most
There’s a big difference between one Panadeine forte and the opioids you might be thinking of. Sometimes it’s just a paracetamol
…paracetamol is not an opioid.
i am sure this cannabis is safer than paracetamol or codeine. and there are people who want that
Codeine can still make people sleepy and sluggish. It’s still an opioid that can lead to dependence and withdrawal. It still has negative GI side effects causing constipation. It’s not a good idea for driving while under the influence. If this can help people in pain without side effect that can cause impairment, why not. Getting high off of cannabis can still be allowed.
the first time i took Hydrocodone was after I had my wisdom teeth pulled. I slept a full 8 hours, got up, took my next dose, and then proceeded to pass out for ANOTHER full 8 hours. I put two and two together pretty quickly and just decided to deal with the pain.
I’m not going to argue, really
I take one if I have to drive and I’m in pain.
You don’t need to argue. You just need to accept that every time you do that you put your life, and the lives of the people around you, in danger. And that’s simply a fact.
My friend, in the UK you can literally buy Panadol both with and without codiene over the counter at a pharmacy
They have said multiple times they use the without for the most part, which is just paracetamol (acetaminophen).
The UK and elsewhere don’t have the same problem with opiates as the US does.
It’s not an offense to drive on medications unless it impares you, in effect giving the police reason to stop you from driving if impaired by it and legal means to prosecute you if you cause harm due to the imparement.
That also means I could drive whilst high from my cannabis prescription if there was no imparement.
It’s not an offense to drive on medications unless it impares you
Its not that its no offense, you simply can’t be prosecuted if no one knows about it. But that doesn’t equal legal. If you get into an accident and anyone finds out that you took opioide, even just medical painkillers, you will be attributed most of the blame in court.
That also means I could drive whilst high from my cannabis prescription if there was no imparement.
A prescription only provides defense in court, not an immunity to prosecution. It still is in your responsibility to prove that you weren’t impaired by your medication, which is nearly impossible. If your tolerance is high enough that your reaction time doesn’t decrease, then its nearly useless either way.
Yeah look I think there might be a difference between one Panadeine forte and hard core opiates that have people nodding off.
Certainly, it’s a lot better than vaping two caps before driving and nine times out of ten it’s just a paracetamol anyway
But if you have cannabis without the high, you could use that instead and be safer.
I’d love to have the option as a medical marijuana user. Not as punishment for having pain, but for having more options.
Yeah look, I don’t it’s a bad thing at all, I know this would benefit many people
Your parent comment resonated with me, I get that knee jerk reaction about punishing pain. But yeah I can begrudgingly admit that I would use this if it was available for driving and such.
Ok thats not exactly an improvement.
On one hand, it sounds like Puritanical bullshit, but on the other hand, I’d like the option.
Idk some people like going to work without pain.
For me cannabis is an incredibly strong depressant. I can feel suicidal for free with pain, thanks.
And then it gets patented and costs $10,000 a dose.
Currently happening with kratom and psylocibin as well.
Yeah, the most legit meds come from a gas station.
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. There are multiple patents pending on modified kratom alkaloids.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterated_mitragynine?wprov=sfla1
I’ve read about others but that was the first one I came across in development.
Psilocin pro-drugs are another category with multiple patents pending, Mindset Pharma holding a few.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSP-1014?wprov=sfla1
Here is another patented by Reunion Neuroscience.
