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Looked like some random assholes beating on an old man. They should have arrested them.
Plain clothes, nothing that declares they are an agent, walks away when confronted… That’s all suspicious as hell. It could just be a fucking mugging.
"When the pair realized they were being filmed, they walked away, leaving the man with a handcuff attached to one arm.
The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police found no outstanding warrants for the man, removed his handcuffs and notified ICE."
FUCK ICE
Uhm, they were trying to arrest him at the international terminal? International terminals are Sterile Zones, where departing passengers have formally exited the country. That’s pretty much like ICE arresting someone while they’re physically in Mexico.
It’s hard to tell, the article is poorly written. There’s something about an Australian guy getting arrested at LAX, not sure if that’s related to what happened in LV or not.
At any rate, it’s kinda stupid to arrest someone at an airport even before they’ve gone through security. They’re likely leaving the country and will have to present themselves to a customs official anyway. Instead of wasting money on prosecuting someone that overstayed, it’s better just to let them leave, maybe charge them a fine or whatever.
It’s just cruelty for the sake of cruelty.
it’s like arresting someone for theft before they leave the store. If you want them to leave let them leave. Waste if taxpayer money.
It’s just cruelty for the sake of cruelty.
Cruelty is the point.
And, of course, for the sake of meeting quotas.
Unless we all band together and start pushing back and defend ourselves we will all be on the ground cuffed or have a bullet hole in our heads.
I also want to point out how often these violent goons dress exactly like the sterotypical violent goons showcased in “get your CCW!” posters and targets; the ones responsible Americans are supposed to be training to protect themselves from getting jumped by.
Weird, huh?
Otherwise they dress like the school bully whose mom gave them $50 to spend at the airsoft store.
One video posted on social media showed a man yelling and crying on the ground in Terminal 3 at Harry Reid International Airport on Monday when a man and a masked woman, both in plainclothes, tried to control, handcuff and detain him. When the pair realized they were being filmed, they walked away, leaving the man with a handcuff attached to one arm.
The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police found no outstanding warrants for the man, removed his handcuffs and notified ICE.
They know what they’re doing is illegal, and accountability terrifies them.
Is there some reason to assume these were even actual ICE agents? That pair should have been detained/arrested pending a determination of their identities and evidence that they have the legal authority to assault and detain anyone. This could very well have been an attempted kidnapping disguised as an ICE attack. If the fucking cops don’t detain them, we’ll never actually know.
The only indication that they are ICE agents is the evident fact that they are completely untrained, incompetent, and totally unsuited to any kind of law enforcement employment.
I mean depending on who was actually being attacked it could have been US, Turkish, Israeli, or Saudi intelligence pretending to be ICE agents.
The article says this happened in one of the terminals, meaning past the TSA checkpoints. No way imposters would have made it through TSA screening with badges, handcuffs, and likely other unnecessary tactical gear. TSA had to explicitly let them through.
None of what you listed is on the tsa prohibited item list.
All it’s ever been is a security theatre.
Can the stupid body scanners still be defeated by pancakes?
The video showed that they tried to rob him too
Maybe citizens should start physically intervening when non-uniformed people are trying to cuff random folks.
You mean like Renee and Alex?
It’s happening every day, we just aren’t hearing about it.
I live here and even I have to dig to find the reports and videos.
Yeah like Alex Pretti?
Many people have intervened many times. Minneapolis and Charlotte come to mind as city whose entire MO for weeks was intervening.
In many situations it seems like enough to film them and they back off, like here. For Joan Sebastian, shot and killed by ICE last Monday in Maine, he was driving and there weren’t many people around to intervene at 7am. Bystanders did film part of the incident after Joan had already been shot, and it’s part of the evidence against the crazy fuck that shot him. I don’t know how anybody could have stepped in based on what I saw.
I imagine myself witnessing situations like these so that I am ready.
America, the spineless society, all talk with very little action from it’s people.
I’m surprised someone hasn’t snapped yet and held an ICE agent hostage, I’m sure ICE agents would love their job even more when people start pulling guns on them more frequently and out of nowhere.
I guess not as many people are suicidal as you think.
Almost like the human body will do everything in its power to stay alive.
Things like bending over when the fascists take over their country.
Yes, even avoiding to get shot.
You coward.
You sit behind your keyboard and type this bullshit out - just like Donald Trump when he sits on his toilet every night to post “truths” on his shitty social media platform.
Come over here and make a difference if you’re so goddamn brave.
Most people who stand up to these people don’t even make the fucking news. And the brave ones that do don’t even get justice. Go Google Renee and Alex and educate yourself on our actual challenges you ignoranus.
We’re fighting, and you’re ignoring us. You don’t give a fuck. It’s no skin off your back, eh? Just sit back and call us names. Just like the GOP. Donald Trump applauds your efforts here, he appreciates you and hopes this catches on.
Coward? You Americans got your 2nd amendment, sort your country out, it’s not the job of a foreigner to figure out how your country should operate.
Every day your country floods the news market with absurd headlines.
Most people who stand up to these people don’t even make the fucking news. And the brave ones that do don’t even get justice.
You’re telling me Renée Good or Alex Pretti didn’t make the news? I remember outrage about their passings, what did your country do in response?
Take some responsibility for your nations actions and be the change you want to see.
Your humility is truly inspiring. I can only imagine the amount of good you put out into the world (and that I could only hope to achieve). Especially with the eloquent way in which you speak; fuck… shivers and goosebumps
How easy it is to forget about class, and instead just preach and judge. Cause ya know, division is the only way to peace
Everyone appreciates you’re anger btw, we definitely don’t have enough of it
Its matter of time until they try to grab the wrong person, and someone starts shooting, and it turns into a street battle. It’s inevitable, and “PeeWee Himmler” would love nothing more.
They arrested this guy in LA when the plane landed and once again FUCK ICE.
Aye, and fuck their LVMP collaborators
One video posted on social media showed a man yelling and crying on the ground in Terminal 3 at Harry Reid International Airport on Monday when a man and a masked woman, both in plainclothes, tried to control, handcuff and detain him. When the pair realized they were being filmed, they walked away, leaving the man with a handcuff attached to one arm.
The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police found no outstanding warrants for the man, removed his handcuffs and notified ICE.
… ICE arrested him at his flight departing the Los Angeles International Airport on Tuesday, the Department of Homeland Security said.
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We can fully expect that this poor dude is going to be singled out for especially abusive treatment when he gets to detention because these ICE twats made a scene by being fuckups here and they’ve all got fragile abuser egos, and the local cops served him up on a silver platter for it
So what I’m hearing is, concerned citizens should go to airports and keep a look out for groups of three people where two look like cops and one looks scared, then draw attention to them. If ICE lets them go and it’s a departing flight, inform other passengers and post to local news and social media platforms in the arrival city so people can accompany them to the gate and others can meet them there and escort them through baggage claims and to their destination (or, you know, advise them not to fly).
Edit: given that this was a connecting flight, his fellow passengers could accompany him to his next gate and inform his future co-passengers, and that arrival city (if still in the US or a country likely to extradite to ICE), ad infinitum, if needed
ICE arrested him at his flight departing the Los Angeles International Airport on Tuesday
Is there more news about an incoming connection?
I read that as leaving US already, but realize now it was vague.
He was in the country illegally. Do you just not want laws enforced?
Phu Nguyen, a 57-year-old citizen of Australia who overstayed his visa.
“Do you just not want laws enforced?” Says the person claiming a man is guilty before any trial and defending a warrantless arrest neither of which are legal.
These are the types that will push government to send people to gitmo for littering and jaywalking without mercy or relent…
…then when draconian law inevitably turns on themselves they’ll beg and plead for exceptional leniency and understanding.
As soon as someone says “we should restrict semi automatic guns to sain and upstanding citizens” they have a fit about freedom and the need for an armed population.
You don’t get a trial for overstaying a visa lol
Laws like human rights, right of due process, right to not be attacked by unidentified masked thugs, right to not be attacked with unjustified force …. It’s clear who is committing the more serious crimes here: the end does not justify the means
The due process is for them to leave the country after their visa has ended. The due process is for them to be deported if they don’t. The aren’t owed a trial, their right to be in the country has legally and factually ended.
Due process means following the legal procedure. Due process means proving it. Due process means giving the accused a chance to object. This is what prevents mistakes, prevents abuse of authority, prevents it from degenerating into racism, prevents terrorizing innocents. Due process is what keeps us from being the criminal.
This isn’t due process. You’re just making up your own definitions in order to support your ridiculous argument.
I’m not surprised that a criminal like /u/GoatSynagogue, someone who is in the country illegally, would be advocating for such lawlessness by government officials. He needs to be captured and deported back to Antarctica immediately.
Well, I’d object, but you said he was a criminal so you’ve clearly given him his due process!
(/s if that’s needed)
Yea I want laws like “cops must identify themselves” enforced. And laws like “the president can’t rape children.” Let’s start there.
TDS confirmed.
It’s deranged to think rape should have consequences?
No, but you’re saying Trump has raped children.
Yes I am. Are you familiar with the name Jefferey Epstein?
Edit: also do you think cops don’t have to identify themselves when making arrests as well? Or is that just me being deranged?
I am familiar with the name. I’m familiar with the fact that trump isn’t incriminated in any way in regards to him, especially not in any child raping ways, and in fact it’s a fact that trump was one of the very first people sounding alarm bells about Epstein, and he even reported him to the fbi.
But you knew all that, right?
You are a pedophile
You seem like someone who is a collaborator.
Enforcement of immigration is a CIVIL issue. It’s not a crime.
ICE was formed after 9/11. We functioned perfectly fine without them.
They are a fascist organization without accountability that for its entire history has attacked and kidnapped people without reason.
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So tax fraud should just be ignored? That’s just paperwork.
Tax fraud is a crime, overstaying your visa isn’t. Please learn the difference between civil and criminal code.
Anyone know why my comment above was removed?
Doesn’t matter, it’s just paperwork.
Don’t engage with this user who uses “TDS” unironically
Personally, I don’t give a fuck. Borders just prove that the state will cause violence against the individual.
However for the sake of argument and how the US should (and used to) do this:
- Identify yourself as border agents, and ask them to identify themselves. Normally you cant do that but its probable cause if you know who they are.
- identify the issue: you have over stayed your welcome
- provide the remedy: tell them they must demonstrate that they have a ticket or passage to any other country and release them to do so, or if they have a criminal charge or record, escort them to the terminal with a ticket they pay for, or the state provides a ticket and send them home.
how hard is this?
What does any of that have to do with them arresting him when he landed in LA?
But he had no outstanding warrants.
He was unlawfully in the country which is grounds for deportation.
What about the 6th Amendment?
As people keep pointing out, it’s a civil issue, not criminal, therefore the 6th amendment doesn’t apply.
But the 4th and 5th amendments do.
Laws that are bullshit and that breaking them doesn’t harm anyone? Yeah I don’t want those enforced. You’re right.
People staying in a country illegally harms people. It harms the person who misses out on a job because of them. It harms the economy by them not paying taxes and getting paid below minimum wage and/or in cash. It harms services that are used by an extra person who shouldn’t be there.
Get the fuck out of here, fascist scum.
You don’t actually care about this, you just care about licking trumps boots clean.
You know how everyone knows this? There is a very simple fix for all of this. Put it on the employers. Make it a crime to hire people without authorization to work here.
But, this is never done because those people, the people taking advantage of undocumented immigrants, are also the same people supporting trump.
It is illegal already……
You know why businesses aren’t getting caught for it? Because of people like you who think “no one is illegal” and don’t want illegal immigrants to lose their jobs and be deported.
Okay, liar.
Well that’s all bullshit and not how an economy works sooooo… Yeah.
Oh they’re not getting paid enough but someone wants their job. They also pay taxes. If it’s harmful to the economy then they should not be paid below minimum wage in cash - that’s not the person’s fault that has the job, that’s the fault of the employer.
I’m all for dignified work and good wages. Acting like individuals just magically don’t participate in a local economy because they’re underpaid immigrants is silly.
They’re getting paid illegal rates because they’re illegally in the country and are hardly going to risk deportation to dob their employer in. If they didn’t work for illegally low rates, the employer would have to pay a citizen the minimum wage.
If they didn’t work for illegally low rates, the employer would have to pay a citizen the minimum wage.
Well, I promise they’d work for at least minimum wage (which in and of itself is not enough) if the employer paid them that. You’re acting like it’s the victim’s fault here when they’re being taken advantage of by a corrupt system.
They’re not being taken advantage of, they’re not supposed to be in the country working.
As if ICE can be trusted to be lawful, let alone good.
Disgusting. Any reasonable person being attacked like this would fight back, and then they’d shoot them. The U.S. is done. No sane person should come here, and I need to get my shit together and get the hell out.
This. I cannot imagine what’s going on in the heads of people still visiting that cesspool. I’m a white dude with no record and could theoretically visit. I’d live in California, even. The problem is these damned morals and ethics that stop me from bringing myself and my money to a place that doesn’t value or respect humanity at all anymore. Not above profits and racism, anyway.
Godspeed, Americans. If you ever decide to rise up, I’d join in. I think much of the world would.
This. I cannot imagine what’s going on in the heads of people still visiting that cesspool.
People are well aware, they just choose to think “not them”, like a drunk driver.
Many, many 1000s of Australians dickheads visited for the world cup for example
Is this the one where the people obviously aren’t ICE, and just some chuds wearing masks while robbing people?
That’d be crazy work to do in an airport regardless of who’s pres
A random robber would be less likely to kill someone out of malice.
was he “escorted to the ground” too?
after, not ‘while’
That will be our downfall.
