• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    Thinking about how Osprey, a publishing house almost entirely devoted to publishing military uniform/equipment fetish material disguised as dry but picture heavy non-fiction tomes, put out a book dismantling the right wing mythologization of Sparta with an absolute all-timer table of contents.

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    Well I mean, the Spartans famously held the invading Persians by making good strategic use of the surrounding terrain.

    It was uh, the Athenians, with their Navy, under Pericles, that also basically did similar on the water, and was able to overperform via basically superior manuever.

    So… the current situation is almost the perfect opposite.

    Kegsbreath is basically ‘fractally wrong’, it gets more wrong the more you think about it.

    We are invading, we have totally failed to read and well utilize the terrain and strategy, the engagement so far is much more naval than directly clashing ground forces…

    This is why you don’t ‘promote’ an O-4 Major to … functionally O-11 (O-10 being a 5 Star General). He literally has no idea what the fuck he is doing, or even talking about.

    His ‘skill set’ ends at the battalion level, 300-1200 troops, executing a specific task of limited scope in a specific area. He has literally no experience with actual strategy, only tactics, small scale logistics.

    • I’ve met naval E-4s with more common sense, better strategic planning ability, and commanding more actual respect than Kegbreath…

      I’ve also met toddlers with more emotional control.

    • chaogomu@lemmy.world
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      Hegseth was only O-4 at the end of his career, which was basically as a reservist, sidelined as an insider threat due to his white nationalist tattoos.

      When Hegseth was an O-3, he was an instructor teaching counter-insurgency in Afghanistan. That was his entire time as O-3.

      As a lieutenant, Hegseth ‘commanded’ a small squad stationed at Guantanamo Bay. That was his only experience in command.

      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Jfc that’s even worse.

        He’s basically a military motivational speaker. Explains his meathead nonsense he blathers even at formal press briefings.

        I figured he would have at least had a command of a combat unit, in a war zone, at some point… apparently not?

    • applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      i enjoy the phrase “fractally wrong”. really encapsulates how hard it can be to refute someones bullshit when theres so many layers of wrong. like a flawed thesis built on the shoulders of a hundred other flawed theses so you cant even start to refute it without inadvertently endorsing some piece of it implicitly. its up there with “not even wrong” but less ambiguous.

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        But then you cut straight to the root of all their assumptions and show how absurd that is, thinking they’ll have the wherewithal to realize that it recursively debunks every belief or claim they’ve based upon it, but then they hit you with the “What does that have to do with this? Why are you changing the topic?”

        That’s when you know they can’t be reasoned with…

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        I’m not 100% sure, but I think AronRa came up with it, or is at least the first person I’ve heard use it.

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      Let’s be honest, we all know he just watched the movie 300 and thought it was historically accurate…

      I know people like him. They try to glean wisdom from media that was designed solely to entertain the unthinking masses in order to churn a profit. Damn fools is what they are.

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      Spartan wives had to dress as men on there wedding night so as to no scare the men with there feminine ways. They had not yet seen girl from the time they where toddlers as they where training for war.

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          Thanks, keep doing the good work. It never stops being unbelievable how people are so unable to learn basic spelling and grammar, and by proof it’s mostly people who have English as their native language who make the errors.

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    Weren’t the spartinas gay child molesters?

    It’s been a while since I read about them, but they were really fucked up dudes.

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      The child molestation was disturbingly common in many cultures back then.

      As for the gay. They would still typically have wives and children, but would bath each other and have sex before battle. I’d call them bi.

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      90% of their population were slaves and they were incredibly cruel to them. Sparta was so backwards that Athens almost sided with Persia.

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      Part of me wants to argue, that at the time it was normal

      The other part reminds me, that we live now.

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      Yes, those things happened there. But women could also own property in Lakonia. It was progressive in some ways, barbaric in others.

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        Like all things context is important. They may have been better or worse in a number of ways that don’t fit in to a 30s tiktok analysis

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    What defeat? Iran has no conventional air power and the Russian air defenses are worthless.

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      Air defenses in general are worthless. That’s why Israel and the Gulf states are getting wrecked.

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        Correct, I suspect because we are in the age of drones. Makes me wonder why my country, Canada, still bothers with the rigmarole of procuring fighter jets.

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          Drone swarms are one thing, but I think the real problem is hypersonic or maneuverable missiles. Iran and Russia both have hypersonic missiles that can come in at weird terminal trajectories. Air defenses have real trouble stopping these.

          And if that fails, well, there’s always cluster munitions. What’s $4m a pop Patriot missiles going to do when it’s 20-80 bomblets falling down?

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              Great plan! I can’t believe Israel or the USA hasn’t thought of that. You should probably email Raytheon, I think you’re really on to something.