- cross-posted to:
- science_memes@mander.xyz
- politicalmemes@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- science_memes@mander.xyz
- politicalmemes@lemmy.world
cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/43535087
You must log in or # to comment.
Its been 6 years now. These Turbo cancers don’t seem particularly fast…
Deleting comments disagreeing with you, are we?
Timestamps save lives.
What have I missed? Why should someone regret his vaccination in his opinion? From when is this?
There’s a new push from the right with the whole trial with Fauci that everything he said was a lie and that the vaccine didn’t actually work, social distancing didn’t actually work, and masks didn’t actually work because some dipshit American politician made something up and the right ran with it.
So now the right has their weekly walking papers of “We were right all along!” because why have facts and evidence and you can have Rand Paul of all people invent a false narrative and the sheep follow right along with it.
Let’s ignore all the other countries who leaned into the vaccine and social distancing that didn’t lose a fraction of their population compared to America to Covid. Let’s also completely ignore the fact that Trump of all people was at the forefront of Operation Warp Speed to accelerate funding and research for mRNA vaccines.
But no one has ever accused Americans of being smart.
Wait, Fauci’s on trial? What the actual fuck is wrong with this country, when we’re prosecuting doctors for simply wanting people to be healthy and safe? Even if the masks didn’t work, exactly what harm is there in wearing one anyway?
OK after reading the replies and in retrospect: that was a stupid question looking for a reason for an antivaxer posting shit.
Either this is very old, or it’s in reference to the recent Fauci entrapment hearing where a bunch of the low intelligence senators did stuff like claim the ‘vaccine injured’ were committing mass suicide
Big fuck you to the trend of taking screenshots of social media posts so they forever have the very useful timestamp of “23 hours before this screenshot was taken”. Though also an honorable mention to all the apps and sites that only display a relative timestamp.
I despise interfaces that try to be “friendly” by showing relative times. It’s not helpful. It’s counter productive. If you tell me it was at 08:45 I can look at what time it is now and fucking figure it out. Not so if you say “20 minutes ago”
And then some of them have fucking javascript to update the text. Fucking insanity.
Sometimes I think we should get rid of 3/4ths of the “product people”, but then wi the just engineering websites would just be like plain text and the occasional still photo. Which, honestly, sounds okay.
Right, there is space for both in fact. At least put the date next to it.
Agree. The sleuth in me wants to say “It’s Threads, so we at least know it’s no older than July 2023,” but an actual date is more useful.
100%
Its very funny but the “info” bubbles we have means that people stuck in that cult really think they got everything the want to believe proven right periodically and then think everyone who argued with them would reasonably feel stupid.
They werent right and no one else sees the fake news.
Its a tradegy for sure, but also very funny
Whenever I feel bad about EU politics I just need to take a peek at the US to feel better
Careful, we do that in Canada and it makes it very hard to have a conversation when your “centrist”(very conservative) party does a bunch of truly awful shit and half the country pulls “but it’s better than Trump!” put of their ass instead of actually doing anything meaningful.
It is better than Trump, but do they think we started with him? He’s the product of decades of steady slide into disinformation, fascism, anti-intellectualism, prejudice - the list goes on. Trump should be a warning to democracies of what happens when these things go unchecked.
Your governments are looking at the US and taking notes.
Ah, just like the 1930’s.
Only right-wingers. For all what’s worth, Pedro Sánchez wasn’t the one who closed the schengen area
Always have been
Yup, we’re the far-right testing ground. We were settled by religious extremists whose shit views got them chased out of town.
The persecution was everyone being sick of their shit.
Don’t let the right wing claim the past and the future. “We” are also the people that fought like hell to kick those other peoples asses and add another verse in the song of freedom. “Our” values are also the ones that say we deserve equality by default. That liberty is an inherent right. Etc etc.
That’s where a large part of John Oliver’s viewership comes from.
The only reason to follow US politics
It’s a shame this is even considered political
The Fauci witch-hunt has truly reinvigorated these fucking morons.
They’ll keep believing the vaccine killed millions and millions of people, like the lunatics they are, and keep voting Trump (because of course the overwhelming majority of them are Trumptards) even though everything he touches turns to shit.
It’s unfair to associate everyone questioning those particular vaccines with certain political parties. Not everyone is american to begin with, but covid is a worldwide issue. Putting blind trust into rushed mRNA tech isn’t something that is reasonable to demand from a rational person. Those who accept this vax basically agree to become test subjects for decades to come, it is their choice but it’s not for everyone.
Just FYI the covid vaccine is the most tested vaccine in human history. It was also tested more thoroughly and quickly because there were so many opportunities to do so compared to other vaccines.
So if you didn’t want to take it before it became available to the commoners, I get it, but to avoid it after that point is just a conspiracy theory.
Edit: wow quickest downvote in history, guess you’re just ignorant and prefer to stay that way. PS I guess you don’t take any new medicine and go to the dentist who does it like in the sixties.
“Yeah, well I didn’t know about it until recently so obviously it didn’t exist before then. Checkmate woke vaxxer sheep! Get on my level! I drank mud today to boost my immune system!”
😐
No way, you mean many governments prioritized research and production of the same thing, simultaneously? As if, it’s not like people were dying or something /s
“In order to make everyone comfortable about it, the Ebola-27 vaccine, Ebola-27 currently killing hundreds of thousands people per week, will go through the slowest possible trial protocol, and based on preliminary data, should be available before humans total extinction.”
Well, un a way that bas been a proof of care of humans to humans : some countries imposed a lock down so a part of the people don’t risk to die. That has been a surprise for me. A good one. And yes, this vaccine has been shown by most tested.
its true not all anti vaxxers are republicans but all anti vaxxers are morons.
You’re stupid
How does someone without a basic though process managed to make an account on lemmy? Are you lost?
mRNA tech isn’t rushed, it was basically ready for a long time and covid gave it the push it needed to become broadly used.
And if you are worried about fictional effects of a vaccine more than the very common, dangerous, visible effects of covid, then you’re just full of shit.
“I’d rather be shot than to eat aspartame, because who knows what kind of dangers are linked to aspartame?!” is basically identical to your stance, and it’s mindbogglingly moronic.
very common, dangerous, visible effects of covid
That’s just a flu to most people. Many are completely unsymptomatic.
effects of a vaccine
Heart attacks, blood clots, cancer, etc. Even some very famous people got those very soon after getting vaccinated.
The flu is not a cold you dumbfuck
Yeah, you know, I know a great total of one person who had that strong reaction to the vaccine: heart going turbo, had to go to the emergency, doctor recommending not to take the 3rd dose.
Assessment:the vaccine is dangerousthe virus would most likely kill you.Now you need to think about all these smart people unvaccinated “trusting their immune system”, probably carrying the virus because guess what: unvaccinated are contagious for longer than vaccinated, as they are: fucking killers.
Yeah so you’re just making up whatever deluded reality you live in now. Whatever.
back this up with proof so I can watch people tear it apart.
Right? People completely ignore what happened to people who got the vaccine! My buddy got it and had a full threesome with two chicks. They don’t talk about that!
Put up or shut up.
You make assertions like that, you best bring receipts.
Yeah, fuck right off.
How many years of mRNA research and development you have?
Or someone you know, perhaps?
Ah wait, those are TikTik mRNA R&D years of experience we are talking about. Got it.
Stupind cunt, you can say the same thing about every single technology ever invented in human history.
It’s so nice telling idiots to just fuck off with their shit after decades of trying to tolerate the intolerance and argue in good faith, giving them benefit of the doubt.
No point in engaging with them/you. So tired or dumb fucks injecting fuck knows what into their bodies for half of their life but life saving vaccines are where they draw the line. Because they somehow think they are part of a special club. It is “special”, right. Just not in the way you think.
Malicious cunts.
Hey, it’s not that complex. If I really want to know now, I need to become a scientist in this specific field, otherwise I have no hope to verify any of this. If I don’t, I will consider it more trustworthy when after 20-30 years of its regular use people who took it and their kids don’t develop something bad.
You get in a car absolutely confident it will not explode after 2km because a small group of engineers you’ve never heard of designed, tested and qualified that engine. In case of an accident, you assume the airbag will deploy because a small group of engineers you’ve never heard of designed, tested and qualified the airbag trigger sensor and the airbag itself. Are you an engine expert? Are you an airbag expert?
You get in a plane assuming it flies because a small group of engineers you’ve never heard of designed, tested and qualified the plane to fly. Are you an aeronautic expert??
But if a group of doctors develop a vaccine that is then tested under supervision of thousands of their peer, with thousands more checking the data and claiming they look good, including most likely your own physician, suddenly it’s too much uncertainty and you need to become an expert in the field to trust them.
But if a group of doctors develop a vaccine that is then tested under supervision of thousands of their peer, with thousands more checking the data and claiming they look good, including most likely your own physician, suddenly it’s too much uncertainty and you need to become an expert in the field to trust them.
Only when it was developed in extremely short terms as emergency measure instead of in regular way. Is this “little nuance” really so unobvious it needs to be pointed out.
What do you know about the regular way? What corner was cut for the Covid-19 vaccine?
For previous vaccines for which we have data, the average period between microbe isolation and vaccine development was 48 years, with a record of about four years. The average time between vaccine development and 40 percent coverage was 42 years, with a record of 14 years for rotavirus. For COVID-19, the period between microbe isolation and vaccine development was less than a year, and between vaccine development and 40 percent coverage just 11 months.
So my personal standard “lets wait 2 decades” isn’t even that big, because average is 4 decades.
What corner was cut for the Covid-19 vaccine?
I don’t know that in detail and I didn’t research it. In my country this virus wasn’t such an overwhelming question of life and death as it was in US, apparently. There was no dilemma of “vax risk vs covid death”, it was a bit scary in the news at first, but almost invisible flu that not many really reported at all in media and I don’t personally know anyone who was even sure they had it or died from it. From this thread I get it that it was some kind of plague in US where literally everybody were dying left and right from this virus. In this context your collective defense of vaccine and peer pressure on ever questioning it makes some sense. In my case, it wasn’t even important enough to research vaccine situation, it’s just more reasonable to question the vaccine in absence of longer timeframes of data, because the virus itself isn’t even scary enough. I expect scary enough virus to be observable empirically and socially, not only in numbers given from above.
We’ve got years of data showing they are safe at this point and given the massive deployment, serious issues would have become apparent by now.
!remindme 2 decades
When the covid vaccines came out, the scaremongers said everyone will start dying from the them in a month. That didn’t happen. Then they said just you wait and see, it’ll happen next month. Nope. Then it was just wait six months, then a year, then two years… now it’s up to 20 years. Why would anyone of reasonable intelligence believe it this time?
MRNA vaccines were first trialled in the 1990s on animals. No animal died prematurely from them.
There’s never been a vaccine where side effects arose decades later. Serious vaccine side effects are detected within days or weeks of vaccination.
So what evidence do you have that the covid vaccines are truly different? Zero.
Ironically, you’re more likely to die earlier by living a life stressing about people dying earlier from vaccines.
Make that 80 years, just to be sure.
“We’ve waited 100 years, and ALL people who took the vaccine 100 years ago are dead! If that’s not a clue…”
You don’t need to become a scientist, just trust the good ones. I don’t know shit about fixing cars, but I trust my mechanic.
Not that I’m on dude’s side or anything, but:
Trusting our Government Issued™ scientists implicitly is how we got The Tuskegee Experiments, sometimes a little healthy skepticism isn’t a bad thing. Idk about this one but y’know “just trust me bro” honestly shouldn’t be our SOP on a daily basis.
You also shouldn’t trust your mechanic implicitly, they’ve (as a profession) been known to upsell on things you don’t need to get more of your money because they know you don’t know anything and they can get away with it.
In this particular case, you don’t trust your gov, your countries scientists, the rest of the world’s scientist corpus. But a bench of folks on Internet with 0 medical background telling you the vaccine is dangerous and the Covid-19 is not that much, that’s clearly something you should take in account.
Idk about this one
Did I really have to tap the sign for the fifteenth time? I ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THE COVID VACCINE IS THE BEST THING JESUS EVER MADE EVER, BUT “JUST TRUST ME BRO” AS A RULE ISN’T ALWAYS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION. Literally fifteen different times I’ve clarified this now.
Ffs.
That’s the neat thing, scientists from all around the globe are saying the same thing. No need to trust your gvmt.
Idk about this one but y’know “just trust me bro” honestly shouldn’t be our SOP on a daily basis.
I trust my mechanic, because when he replaced a rusty section of my exhaust he used a stethoscope to check if his welds were airtight, I watched him do it.
I trust the scientists, because people watching them do the work is exactly what peer review and replication are.
The rest of the stuff they do, that I don’t understand, I will trust implicitly because of how open and honest the things I do understand were.
I watched him do it
Then you verified that, you’re not just trusting that he did.
Sure you can trust these scientists, again that isn’t what I’m talking about.
The Tuskegee Experiments had more than one mad scientist in the room too, “just trust me bro” isn’t a good enough answer for anything, just trust me bro.
Yes, some healthy scepticism is great and very valuable. But, you do need to put some trust in experts, they are the ones who know the field well enough to share the important parts. When it comes to the mRNA vaccines, they were understood well enough to be almost certain that the risks of catching COVID far outweigh the risks of the vaccine, especially once you consider heard immunity and the impact it has on people at risk who can’t take the vaccine. So at that point it becomes clearly the safest choice to get everyone to take it.
especially once you consider heard immunity and the impact it has on people at risk who can’t take the vaccine
I feel so guilty, I will totally buy into this blatant propaganda now. Or not.
Herd immunity is a real effect. If vaccines help you not catch the disease, then an unvaccinated person is less likely to catch the disease in a population with a high vaccination rate. Because the disease doesn’t spread as much.
If you can lower the infection rate so that on average, each sick person results in less than one other sick person, infections die out instead of growing. That is “herd immunity.”
Covid has evolved to barely provide any immunity. Up to 70 percent up to 9 months. People catch it several times a year and long covid is as much a risk as it ever was.
No herd immunity.
I’ll grant you the effect is less because of the mutations (and I would be interested in seeing a paper about it, I might have to look up some research), but it also doesn’t help that the vaccination rate is and has been so low because of misinformation, to say the least.
I believe in the quoted piece they refer to an idea that people who are both in high risk group but also can’t take the vaccine because of their conditions will have it harder because of mutations happening to the virus in people who decided not to take it but have it easy and develop natural immunity to it.
No one quoted any piece. Heard immunity is a fairly simple concept about preventing the spread by having most people immune to it, so babies and others who can’t be vaccinated are unlikely to ever be exposed to it.
It’s not about mutations, but it is another issue if you allow something to spread it will have more opportunities to mutate and become more virulent
Even if a leaky vaccine leads to a more virulent strain (it didn’t for covid as far as I know), if heard immunity is achieved that makes it hard to spread it might never make it to a vulnerable individual.
Mind-reading been real for decades btw, there are like dozens of ways to do it at this point. Starting from capturing and decoding brain waves and ending with injecting nano particles into blood that go into brain.
So why not read the minds of scientists to see if the vaccines are legit or not?
Tinfoil analogy was irrelevant to original topic and my response is also irrelevant to original topic, and instead addresses foolishness of tinfoil meme in this day and age. Anyway, here you go:
- It’s not a question of some global conspiracy theory, scientists might themself not be aware of potential problems of these vaccines
- I don’t have access to DARPA’s nanoparticles and I don’t think those scientists would agree to let me take their EEG to try to decipher it, and there’s no point in doing that because it’s not even a question of legitimacy of individual research
Get off the computer and go live in the real world.
Rushed. RUSHED?
Played your hand really early there. Thanks for letting us all know you don’t actually know anything about the history of mRNA vaccine research.
Not to mention how easy it was to set up trials when everyone was constantly to getting sick. The reason why most vaccine trials take forever is because you can’t just give people the disease they’re testing the vaccine against, but with Covid in a global pandemic the trials naturally went super quick.
It’s unfair to associate everyone questioning those particular vaccines with certain political parties.
No it isn’t
If not by political party, by stupidity level then?
It’s always helpful when someone so utterly disqualifies themself from producing cogent thought that I can add another user to my red user tag list! Thank you for your service! Lil baka indeed! A wonderfully descriptive name.
It wasn’t rushed, it got priority on funding and testing. It’s an example of how much can be done and how little overall time it could take if we allocate resources correctly.
Name checks out.
I know concept isn’t new, they’re still not as widely used and this particular one was rushed and only have few years of data behind it. I’m only comfortable with something that has at least few decades and few generations of data behind.
deleted by creator
The first people to get the vaccine were the 100 US senators in the federal government.
At a time when it had a 50/50 party split.
While wifey and me still hadn’t had it once. Lucky us…
Do you believe vax shedding is a myth and consider all the massive volumes of anecdotes on this topic lies, hoaxes and misinterpretations?:
Username checks out. Yeesh. Can’t believe there are people that are this fucking stupid about this shit in 2026.
Are these deleted reddit posts supposed to be “evidence” of some kind?
Maybe you should just stay in the other place.
Good enough for AI training
Are these deleted reddit posts supposed to be “evidence” of some kind?
You’re not reading are you. I called that “massive volumes of anecdotes”. Those imo demand better explanation than “it’s all just massive amount of random people all over the globe deciding to gather and lie together”.
That’s a great point! You have a wonderful opportunity here to follow up with these redditors and ask for additional evidence to collaborate their experiences. If it turns out that you are correct, then you could flip the whole medical establishment on its head! Especially if you document your methodology so that other people can come in behind you to verify your results. Be the change you want to see in the world and go from reading research into being the researcher!
Must not be familiar with mass psychosis, I suppose a bot wouldn’t.
I’m indeed not very familiar with the idea of mass psychosis, but I’m quite used to the concept of hivemind:
You sure are, lil’ buddy😘
WAKE UP, SHEEPLE. You think I’m joking? You think this is a meme? Fine. Keep scrolling, keep nodding, keep trusting “experts” and “studies” and “people who went to school for this exact thing.” That’s what they want. They want you docile. They want you compliant. They want you lined up, vaccinated, and bleating on command like a good little flock.
But me? I saw the truth on a 47-minute video with ominous music and a blurry thumbnail. I did my own research. I clicked several links. I read comments from people with eagle avatars and usernames like TruthHammer77. I know what’s going on. You can’t fool me with your “science” and “evidence” and “peer review.” That’s just three syllables for “control.”
So go ahead, laugh. Call me crazy. Call me a conspiracy theorist. But when the next big reveal drops, don’t come crying to me from inside the pen. I’ll be standing outside, staring at the moon, knowing I was right all along.
WAKE UP, SHEEPLE. THE FARM IS REAL.
Just because you got down voted for something, doesn’t mean the “hivemind” is out to get you. It should at the very least give you pause to question what you are saying.
Right now you are playing the victim, but I don’t think that’s the right take in this moment. Sometimes it may be that you are a victim, but in this case it is just that you really need to reevaluate vaccines from learned and well-studied people and a research backed perspective. Take from sources not funded by people with an agenda, and definitely not from easily manipulated comments in threads that feed into your preconceived notions. Comments in the threads of popular social media are pumped full of bots and manipulation.
You pull up two threads from an anti-vax forum and think it’s even worth consideration for your argument?
And no, I don’t think a medically-proven phenomena is a myth, but the number of occurrences is so little that you bringing it up as an argument is evidence of ragebaiting.
Not just from there but threads that are 3 or 4 years old. You’d figure if there really was something going on with the vaccines that there would be newer information, that things would be escalating if there were issues that the vaccines would have made worse over time, especially since the majority of people got vaccinated in western countries.
Damn, you’re really stupid
What the fuck is this horseshit 😂
And how interesting that the vaccine these dumbfucks are whining about is quite literally the one that doesn’t shed.
https://www.healthline.com/health/vaccine-shedding#why-covid-19-vaccines-dont-shedYes
Literally?
People we know got killed by the vaccine and if not killed, a few years later they are now incapacitated (weak in muscle and mind, brain fog)
EDIT: awww look a all these gatekeepers protecting their lies
Most people who have died or have been incapacitated since covid had it happen after they were vaccinated since most people got vaccinated. Most people also die or get incapacitated after drinking some water, maybe you should also become a water skeptic?
Don’t assume everyone is american. In many other countries vaccines weren’t nearly as popular or mandated as in the US.
Most peers of the US as in developed countries had large scale vaccination programs but your point has nothing to do with addressing my point that purely through corelation more people being vaccinated means more people coincidentally died or suffered some malady.
Well, this isn’t really of statistical significance or anything, but I don’t personally know a single vaccinated person, and I don’t know anyone who died from covid or even had it really rough except perhaps some distant elderly relative who had bad pneumonia that might have been covid.
Aha. There it is
Ladies and gentlemen this thing admits it, it isn’t human.
https://data.who.int/dashboards/covid19/vaccines
^ There are many countries even in EU that have vax rates lower than 40%, sometimes even lower than 20% like Bosnia and Herzehovina.
Interesting choice, Bosnia and Herzegovina had a greater than 10% infection rate. With over half of the deaths occurring within a year of the first infection. It was 4 times more deadly in Bosnia and Herzegovina than it was in the US.
If that’s where you’re claiming to be from, the chances you didn’t know someone who had it, and had it bad, are practically 0. So either you’re full of shit, or you aren’t human.
Never heard of Meatloaf? He was against covid Vax and died from it as I recall. I also know of one person who died from covid with no preexisting conditions who was in his early 50s but that was before the vaccine was available so he couldn’t have had a different outcome.
I’m glad our world doesn’t run only on what lil_baka has experienced. You not experiencing something only talks of your lacking experience. No one person can experience everything.
It’s statistically showing that you don’t have friends.
I don’t doubt that you know people who have been vaccinated and later died or were incapacitated.
No
They died pretty much immediately (within a week), and the later part are the consequences, not the deaths
Learn to read, this is not 1 person that it happened to
I knew a guy who got vaccinated and was dead the next day. Hit by a bus!
He wasn’t vaccinated against buses, unfortunately.
I know more people who have died of Covid, or were severely incapacitated by Covid, than have been harmed by the vaccine.
Hell the vaccine cured my brain fog post covid.
You should read about correlation and causation.
People being smug online when someone dies is really offputing to me. Online spaces eradicate all the basic decency.
The antivax idiots risked the lives of everybody around them, can’t say I have that much sympathy for them.
Anti vaxxers have literally killed people and will continue to do so. But they will never understand that.
I feel far more sorry for people anti-vaxers have gotten sick or killed with their bullshit than I ever will the anti-vaxer.
Sorry, but some people just endanger everyone else and I can’t feel very sorry if evolution eradicates them. And I’m all for protecting the dumb and weak.
People have celebrated others’ deaths since walking forward was invented. For a long time, public executions were entertainment. While we moved from that, feeling satisfaction at the death of people we consider troublesome or worse is the norm.
Isn’t that the whole point of things like the Darwin awards, pointing out when someone’s own flawed behaviour led to their demise when they could have easily avoided it by making better decisions?
One death a tragedy
Same. It feels like the internet created a lot of borderline psychopaths.
Or maybe it just revealed how many always existed.
Civilised society is just a lie we tell ourselves to make us feel better about the fact that we live amongst wild animals.
deleted by creator
deleted by creator
