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OOP is a tremendous disability justice educator, find her at https://www.disabledginger.com/ and on Mastodon at https://zeroes.ca/@broadwaybabyto
258m. Mark my words, that is the number they intend to eliminate. That’s the issue when they make up stuff about saving 75% of Americans from fentanyl. They end up saying the quiet part out loud.
They know they can’t just stick droves of people in concentration camps and execute them fast enough before the public catches wind of it.
Why do the hard work when disease, famine, and violent resistance can do it for you? Put the people in concentration camps, kickstart disease, “free” them, and let it run wild.
On the surface? It saves those who voted for Trump and some of their children. Easy sell.
But it would allow the survivors who held power to seize wealth that doesn’t exist today. Monopolies are one thing - this is about returning to feudal society. Except instead of the king providing “protection” from invading forces, the king “protects” you from “invading forces.” Work, so we can have supplies, or the neighboring corpo state will get you.
It would give these oligarchs the power to define their own genetic lines, their own personal “perfect” human, their independent ability to participate in any vice they wish.
And it will all seem “natural.” Before we know it, the US is shattered, like the collapse of the Soviet Union, just slower and people don’t really know about it until they have to go through checkpoints to cross state lines. How the fuck will they enforce that with our enormous land area? They didn’t think that far ahead they never do. They probably think they can keep the US together before any of that happens.
Someone called it “soft eugenics” and that makes the most sense to me. It’s probably too much bad press and effort to do the old school active eugenics of preventing undesirable peoples from reproducing. So instead you remove health and safety services so “nature” will take care of them. While you simultaneously make it “easier” for the others to reproduce by handing out benefits and preventing birth control.
I’m sure that makes sense to the “utilitarian” crowd or whatever they are called, that believe that the goal of humanity’s survival against whatever hypothetical future scenario they think of justifies any means today. Well, except to those who paid attention in biology and know that diversity is actually our best strategy to do just that.
I get why that term is used, but eugenics is eugenics. At least soft eugenics has the word in it, but it really isn’t soft it’s just normal eugenics. I can’t wait for them to rebrand labor camps as soft prisons or whatever because technically the people there aren’t prisoners so they can call it something else.
I agree, but also something can be said about there being different levels of intensity. Like prisons, there is gradation in the regime. You might need a different prison for hardened criminals constantly trying to break out and elderly criminals who long gave up on ever getting out and just watch tv all day. This being called soft eugenics doesn’t make it less eugenics, it has the word in it and you could argue there is a difference between this and hard eugenics where you actually slaughter people with ‘undesirable’ traits. Not saying there is good eugenics and bad eugenics, but i guess i were a victim I rather go through soft eugenics than just be executed on sight.
Yea. I totally understand that. And like I said I understand and appreciate that it at least has eugenics in the term, but it’s very much still eugenics and the fact we have to delineate between hard and soft is just silly in my opinion. Eugenics is still eugenics regardless of if executed on site or just left to starve or die. It is technically not as “direct” I guess but it is still 100% eugenics. I wasn’t explicitly criticizing the use of the term just that we live in a society where we now have that distinction and have to make it clear so a bunch of bad faith actors don’t point to the fact there’s no gun to peoples head and say therefore no eugenics.
How tf does preventing birth control prevent undesirables from reproducing?
Higher infant mortality, and higher maternal mortality to boot, all while chasing the $5k bait with poor insurance coverage at public hospitals. Meanwhile, the haves can afford better private care. Since that’s where the money will be, they’ll be pulling better doctors and nurses to it, thus avoiding becoming statistics.
Edit: it all boils back down to “survival of the fittest”, where “fittest” has been redefined to mean “has the most money”.
Forces everyone to reproduce. Lack of healthcare kills off the ones who can’t afford to survive. The “undesirables” still reproduce, they just die young.
Prevention of birth control leads to teen pregnancies, especially among the poor. It doesn’t matter if they die young as long as they reproduce. That seems counterproductive…
They don’t want the undesirables to die out entirely. They just want them under heel as worker drones.
On the other side of the coin, gotta make sure the “right people” have lots of kids to make sure there will be an upper class to rule over the worker drones.
I suspect a lot of Republicans saw that whites would be a minority by 2035 and when ape shit.
They are deporting anyone they can get their hands on and failing that are prepared to let a disease or two run rampant in certain races.
However, the second disease portion of my theory falls short due to the fact that MAGA itself is antivax. If bird flu was secretly raging through the US, these dumb fuckers would be pushing Ivermectin. Whatever eugenics plot they have cooked up will hit the republican political base right between the eyes.
Since wards are liabilities, there is no business case for retaining them in their present, ambulatory form. Therefore, the most profitable disposition for this dubious form of capital is to convert them into biodiesel, which can help power the Muni buses.
Okay, just kidding. This is the sort of naive Randian thinking which appeals instantly to a geek like me, but of course has nothing to do with real life. The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass.
However, it helps us describe the problem we are trying to solve. Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to genocide. That is: the ideal solution achieves the same result as mass murder (the removal of undesirable elements from society), but without any of the moral stigma. Perfection cannot be achieved on both these counts, but we can get closer than most might think.
https://newrepublic.com/article/183971/jd-vance-weird-terrifying-techno-authoritarian-ideas
Let’s not forget this is the guy next in line to be president.
Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to genocide. That is: the ideal solution achieves the same result as mass murder (the removal of undesirable elements from society), but without any of the moral stigma.
Holy shit, he sounds like he wants to redo Hitler’s ‘final solution’ without people disliking him. At first he’s like well genocide isn’t very nice to people, so we need to find a better solution and then he goes on with the real problem being the fucking moral stigma what the actual fuck.
Holy fucking shit how is this not on a full page ad in the NYT!
It does seem like they want to thin the herd.
Beginning of the Eugenics Wars, or Great Wars, first came to light in Star Trek TOS S01E22.
One downvote for it not being a meme, two upvotes for it being an important message = +1
One downvote for not reading the sidebar.
Microblog memes isn’t for memes. misleading name
Isn’t *just for memes.
One upvote for rational thought process.
But do they get a downvote for not reading the sidebar?
Rational doesn’t infer correctness.
Fair!
I actually might have read this sidebar even, I’m just a bit tired of all the political stuff on meme communities, nothing personal. A lot of the political stuff is actually quite meme-like, so not surprised and also this is an important topic, so it’s good you share it. Barely ever downvote a post anyway, but you get my point i guess.
I do see your point but this is like calling raising the alarm on Hitler in 1938 “politics.”
This is about the collapse of human rights.
Collapse of human rights in america, lots of places where human rights are there like always and lots of places where they aren’t there like always. Yes this is serious, yes I think you should spread it, but it is politics just like invading Greenland is.
Also, I did upvote it, right, me making a comment even counts as engagement so in the end i’m not hurting your effort of raising the alarm but helping you along.
Mostly fair points, but if you don’t think there’s a symbiosis between the rise of Trump and the far right efforts in Germany, Hungary, Canada, and others, I think you are missing the big picture.
Yes, Germany and Canada have had some success in holding it off - for now. But even that is arguably at least influenced by the worldwide shock at just how bad Trump has been.
me making a comment even counts as engagement so in the end i’m not hurting your effort of raising the alarm
Not claiming you are, just standing my ground a bit on the relevance to this sub, and to folks not in the US.
actual real eugenics in real life affecting real people? meh
politics in meme communities? real shit
Who are “they”?
Perhaps you are not aware of he dismantlement of the US government currently underway.
I am aware of it in the broad sense, but not the fine details of tracking certain disabilities and such. Thanks for giving me a pointer on what to look up. (Obligatory “I am not American.”)
Current US Administration and CDC branch probably
Thank you!
The people you run interference for.
I’m not American and it was a genuine question. No need for that.
Not sure why you’re getting so many downvotes.
If it helps any Americans understand, the rest of the world treats US Politics in much the same way as you would a tyre fire. Keep an eye on it to make sure it’s not spreading, but be careful not to get too close or breathe too much in, otherwise you’ll make yourself ill.
I feel an increasingly strong ‘if you’re not with us you’re against us’-vibe going on in posts that have to do with america, might be because there is backlash by tankies and bots but this seems like an example of a genuine question being answered with a hostile reaction.
they’re getting downvotes because they’re doing literally the exact thing astroturfing accounts do.
