The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”
She may not be playing now, but I feel it’s fair to point out that Hillary has played some stupid games - the American people reap the stupid prize.
ooo! a real zinger from an irrelevant loser? now THAT will solve some problems.
so sick of these stupid ‘dunks’ and social media circle jerks.
shut the fuck up Hillary you’re the reason he’s where he is
She and her husbandThe Clinton foundation recieved hundrends of millions from those same gulf countries much more than $400m accounting for inflationHillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn’t seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post “crooked Hillary” and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.
Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it’s only ever “she was bought by the corporations” and “she knows all about corruption”.
I don’t want to see this horrible fucking idiot’s take on anything.
Also fuck Donald Trump
That is a $400 million money pit, not a jet
They’re searching for an idiot to accept and pay for its maintenance fees
This remains all her fault.
Hillary is a murderer.
Quick! She NEEDS to Run for President! There’s NO WAY it Can Fail!
-The DNC Probably!
Nah, she’s way too young, and not a man.
Hillary Clinton needs to sit this one out holy shit. I remember her getting paid by bankers to make “speeches” when she was running for president.
I hate trump for all of his corruption. But holy shit she’s no better
No, she’s a lot better, but the bar Trump has set is that low.
I can’t remember who said it, but:
“Hillary Clinton represents everything wrong with American politics. Donald Trump represents everything wrong with America.”
She’s only better if you’re a fan of open air child sex slave markets
Haha that propaganda is shitpost quality. I cannot believe anyone is so gullible to eat that shit up.
I guess fucking Obama is gullible?
You’re just fucking ignorant of history.
Do you genuinely think Trump is any better in that regard? They were both friends with Epstein.
This is about Libya. Read a history book.
And yes, it is 100% her fault. Fuck, even Obama thought so.
So I can delete the part about Epstein and the comment will remain relevant then. Trump doesn’t care either.
Please give me some indication that you understand the context of what I’m talking about otherwise shut up and fuck off
Yo chill not everyone is American and fully knowledgeable on American politics. What are you referring to?
This is about the Libyan war, organized by Clinton, but driven by NATO and mostly the French.
You’re ignorant not of American history but of world history.
EDIT: next time you hear someone day that NATO is a defensive organization and has never invaded anyone, you will know that they’re either lying or ignorant.
Haha that propaganda is shitpost quality. I cannot believe anyone is so gullible to eat that shit up.
This is the comment you’re asking me to ‘chill’ about.
The dog shit one might have to scrap of the bottom of one’s shoe is a lot better than Trump.
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Bro do you think any other person giving the exact same speech as Hillary would be paid that kinda money? The banks aren’t paying her for her oratory chops. It’s influence purchasing. Be serious.
I was sooo mad Debbie fucked over bernie when she ran the DNC. Honestly that might of been the beginning of the decline for them. Let’s hope they listen to voters.
The beginning of the end was when the blue dog Democrats took over the party.
It died with Paul Wellstone.
Now it is the party to protect the oligarchs.
The voters don’t pay like the donor class.
And democrats decided they prefer donations to votes.
No, getting paid by bankers is ABSOLUTELY a problem. Or did you forget what the bankers leading up to 2008 after they got beneficial legislation passed that let them fuck up the markets?
Bankers buy politicians to let them fuck up the economy and drain more money from everyone else they can.
Please cite the sources. And not propaganda.
Your definition of propaganda is anything you don’t agree with.
To the point that you literally think that Clinton isn’t responsible for Libya, and describe it as propaganda.
When she refused to release the text of those speeches it made some people go,“Hmmmm.”
The Bernie thing was bad as well as possibly the only fully fact checked story . But here we have people deciding between propaganda shitposts and a bigot sending people to literal death camps as what is worse. The people who eat the shitposts as fact and spread it around are officially worse than both candidates. They are just Russian bots.
Yeah, that so quaint! 25M. LOL. Trump’s net worth has increased by 4 BILLION since he took office THIS TIME. Fucking 25M over 10 years… “Those are rookie numbers!” No, not rookie numbers, flat out hardly a drop in the bucket. Sooo quaint. I’m sure her corruption is exactly the same as Trump’s! (Can you really type that without busting out laughing?)
So one could argue Trump has more dignity as he sold himself for more…
Corruption is corruption no matter if someone sells himself for 100, 100,000 or 100,000,000
All that tells me is that she’s bad at being corrupt, not that she’s some paragon of integrity.
I never said she was a paragon of integrity… but where she was picking up spare change left on the counter, Trump is robbing the register and looting the pension fund all at the same time. They are not the same.
Trump is bad. It’s not comparable.
Additionally 90 % of the shit spread about Hillary was from trump himself. And as you can see: he lies.
A lot.
She’s the wrong messenger. For most situations.
Now do the same for political donations and PACs
Any of her “definitely worth it” speeches, too.
Fuck off Hillary. Nobody asked you. You fumbled 2016 and gave us this asshole in the first place, and you should have the decency to hide in shame the rest of your miserable life.
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She can express it, but she needs to be prepared to be reminded that she was uniquely able to lose to trump in 2016, and her stealing the nomination from Sanders is one major contribution to why we are here
There’s a lot more reasons why we’re here than Hilary Clinton. If you can’t get over it we’re going to keep backsliding, again, and again, if we ever even make it out alive
Got damn, I didn’t know that. I apologize and retract the part of my statement about Hilary, but do maintain we might not make it out of this alive
The same Wikileaks documents also show that Hillary and the DNC rigged the primary against Bernie (very briefly mentioned in the article).
My favorite is the Bernie folks filed a lawsuit against the DNC for unfair practices against Bernie, and the court threw it out because as a private group the DNC could do whatever they want.
Not a one of us will make it out of here alive.
That’s a fact of life in this realm we must eventually experience.
She made Trump her pied piper because he was the only one she had a shot against and then she failed. Trump is quite literally Hillary Clinton’s fault. He would not have won 2016 if she hadn’t narcissistically demanded that it was her turn to be president.
Oh please. The DNC is done. We need to move on.
I wish parties would just die and that we can use a better voting system, but we need a path to get there.
That path doesn’t involve the DNC. Look at how they treated David Hogg, of all people.
Unless we have a left Tea Party. Just look at how successful the Tea Party was at forcibly taking over the RNC.
If the party is determined to keep making the same mistakes that they never addressed, they will continue losing. They seem fine with that.
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Hillary and DWS stole DNC money and funneled it all to her campaign, and then rigged the nom on top with the superdelegates. If you don’t consider that stolen, maybe it is you who should also consider “being serious.”
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Ah, yes, let’s completely ignore the part where superdelegates were used to give her the appearance of an insurmountable lead before a single vote was cast.
No part of that election was run fairly. Stop pretending it was.
While you’re at it, maybe address the part where her campaign actively promoted Trump in his primary as a pied piper. Hillary Clinton is uniquely and singularly responsible for Trump becoming president.
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I’m also not the biggest Hillary fan, but she was uniquely positioned to be undeniably the most highly-qualified candidate for US President in history, having had experience as a US senator, First Lady, and Secretary of State…
So it’s not like she was a bad candidate (although I too would have preferred Bernie).
And hot take: what the DNC did to David Hogg is more overt that what they did to Bernie. I’m fucking done with this stupid party. Consider me radicalized.
Her behavior along with DNC gooners tanked Bernie’s chances… 9 years later here we be🤡
Politics is politics but they botch the job and DNC has been useless since. Actions have consequences.
Could have avoided this if they didn’t snatch Biden from his grave to do the same damn thing in 2020.
DNC are controlled opposition, we’ll never escape fascism by supporting Democrats.
At least he delivered the first time tbh
The 2024 debuckle, second strike… Fool me once…
The true radicalization is when you realize that being “highly-qualified” for the presidency should be disqualifying as it means you’re so well entrenched in the particular brand of pre-Trump American fascism.
Eh. Trump is very poorly qualified. Between the two main candidates in 2016, the choice was obvious. Policy aside, I still value competence as well.
Yes, I do want to see the democratic party shift left, work to repeal citizens united, all that. But I also think that actually being good at your job is important as well. If we elect a firebrand who’s radical, but who doesn’t know the constitution or how government works, then we risk just becoming Left MAGA (like MAGA but with guillotines). Which, ok, that would be an improvement over where we are now, but still.
Trump is absolutely poorly qualified, and terrible beyond that. I think fundamentally I believe more in politics and values than competence in navigating the systems of a white supremacist country.
With regards to a ‘left maga’ you say but still, but still what? If someone broke norms, rules, even laws in service of dismantling the prison industrial complex, jailed politicians in service of making right the genocide in Gaza, or instituted a state of emergency over climate change to align with the scientific consensus, would you argue that the norms of our country are more important?
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So it’s not like she was a bad candidate
She lost to trump. The only reason she’s not the single worst candidate in US history is because Harris lost to him by a larger margin after everyone already knew what he was about.
“Yes she having cheated, but that cheating helped her win, and because she won, therefore she didn’t cheat”
Is some dumb fucking logic
Not when it involves the person ruining this country that she put in charge. She can fuck right off.
She didn’t put him in charge. The voters did. Own your shitty decision.
Facts are evading you here too?
She played a part. You’re being dishonest.
What decision? I worked against Trump entering office every step of the path. Hillary Clinton demonstrably did not. She propped him up during the 2016 primaries because she thought she would have an easier time beating him.
You’re the second account to tell me to take responsibility for Trump with no justification. Something smells.
Clinton beat the only candidate she cared about beating in 2016.
Wrong and dumb
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I’m sorry, fucking what? I voted for Bernie in 2016 primary, Hillary in 2016 general, Bernie in 2020 primary, Biden in 2020 general, uncommitted in 2024 primary, and Harris in 2024 general. I donate to progressive campaigns across the country every election.
You’re a sycophant defending the Democratic Party’s extremely authoritarian practices in primaries and blaming others for the sins the party and its elites.
It’s funny that these assholes ask those of us with no power to take responsibility while letting those people with power off the hook
Your brain is fucking mush
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You had 12 entire hours to respond to the salient point.
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what are you fucking 5? You sure you should be allowed to vote?
As is yours.
And we’re expressing our opinions.
And your opinion shows you infantilize yourself from responsibility as an adult who votes. Own who you voted for. That’s on you. Your opinion is shit.
Hey, just expressing my opinion. Just like anyone else.
You comment all over this thread with transparently easy to prove wrong opinions. You don’t even know what happened to Libya or who was at fault, and have no conception of even recent history.
My guess is you’re under 25, and know nothing about history before you became politically aware.
Opinions not tempered by facts are fantasy.
Other terms for your responses here.
Prejudice, Uninformed Opinion(s), Bias, False Assertion(s), Armchair Critic, and Misinformation.
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Welcome to public forums.
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She didn’t fumble anything. They wouldn’t allow Bernie to run is all it came down to and Hillary is one of the most corrupt out there. Perfect for office
The Clinton campaign in 2008 boosted the birther conspiracy shit that trump rode to power.
Her 2016 campaign boosted the man himself because she thought he would be easier to beat than Jeb Bush.
Americans would literally blame anyone but themselves for their stupid ass mistakes.
That’s american exceptionalism. Everyone except me.
only a woman could receive the most votes and nearly a decade later have a 14 year old boy on lemmy be all “yo dawg she totally fumbled that shit she needs to hide in shame”
She didn’t give you this asshole. You voted for him. That’s how voting works.
For the record, I did vote for her in the actual election, but that is an extremely oversimplified analysis of how Trump got elected.
Yeah, more people in the right states voted for him. But her and the DNC fucking with the primaries, offering zero conciliation to progressives and arrogantly assuming Trump didn’t stand a chance play a huge factor. For the vaunted “most qualified candidate ever” this was her race to lose, and blaming it on sexism is just a thought terminating cliche at this point.
Yes. You’re right, Hillary. Now, go away.
She needs to go get her own bribes
Looks at the Clinton foundation and the UAE
looks back at post
Wasn’t that proved to be outside of tenure?
So you think that having a slew of money coming to you while you are out of power right before an election you are expected to win means that that isn’t explicit corruption?
I have this really nice building for sale in New York that I have to sell for a really steep discount. Send me the money and we can meet up and I’ll sign it over to you. My loss is your gain.
Seriously, this is the stupidest attempt to justify corruption I’ve ever seen.
If only Qatar had delivered the plane to Trump on Jan 5th, 2025 there would have been no conflict of interest.
Huh. Funding dried up after she lost and wouldn’t have the political influence the funders thought they were buying.
Who’d have thought.
Did you look at the date of that article and think about it at all? You’re making my point for me.
You’re making my point for me.
Not every response here is an attack.
My apologies.
.ml never fail to take a criticism against Trump and whatabbout it towards a democrat
It’s been 9 years and centrists still can’t accept that no one likes HRC.
Centrists still believe Hillary was the most qualified and deserving person ever to run for president.
And there’s millions of them.
I fucking wish everyone hated Hilary Clinton. Then maybe she wouldn’t have walked into a NY Senate seat, much less the Dem Presidential nomination.
Centrists still believe Hillary was the most qualified and deserving person ever to run for president.
centrists just wanted her because she’s kissinger’s protege.
Woof. Ain’t that the fucking truth.
Libya, Cambodia… it’s all the fucking same to these ghouls.
Corruption is fucking corruption.
Calling whataboutism and not cleaning your own house is precisely what leads to loss of trust and directly led to the first term of Trump. EDIT: Along with explicitly and blatantly breaking their own rules to give the primary to Hillary (This isn’t conjecture or theory. They’ve explicitly admitted this in court and justified it by saying they aren’t a public entity but a private organization and can cheat if they want. Funny how they’re a public institution when they get free federal funds, but private when applying their own rules)
Democrats being feckless cowards and refusing to prosecute Trump for emoluments violations during the first term, and then failing to prosecute Trump for fucking insurrection on day one of Bidens Administration is what led to Trump term 2.
“Yeah well what about your party’s corruption” is actually a valid point for which you have fuck all as a defense
