“Fcking bitch,” Jonathan Ross, the ICE agent who killed Renee Good, says in the video.*
A newly released cellphone video, apparently filmed by the ICE officer who killed Renee Nicole Good, and obtained by Minneapolis-based Alpha News, a conservative-leaning nonprofit news site, appears to sharply contradict the U.S. government’s public account of the fatal Wednesday shooting, raising new questions about whether the agent who opened fire was ever in immediate danger.
The footage was recorded on a cellphone by ICE officer Jonathan Ross, not by a department body camera. It captures Ross’s own perspective as he approaches Good’s maroon Honda Pilot during what the Department of Homeland Security claims was a federal operation in south Minneapolis.
Say the words. He called her a “Fucking bitch”. Stop fucking censoring language, especially over something like this. If the words offend you, GOOD. You should be fucking offended. (I know OP just reposted the articles censoring - this is directed at the article more than OP)
Yes, walking in front of, and behind a vehicle with it’s engine on SHOULD have made him feel danger. No one told him to walk in front of and behind a vehicle with the engine on, but if I’m wrong, and someone actually did tell him to do that, they’re the responsible party. If he made that decision on his own, it’s called contributory negligence.
And the fact that he circled the vehicle multiple times makes it clear he was trying to create a problem.
The shitbag Ross reacted like a Gestapo or NKVD thug.
It’s a template. In the future, your list will include ICE Agent.
That’s fine, dude. I’m not mad at you,
Famous last words…
The words of someone trying not to get shot be overly aggressive masked and armed thugs.
And even that didn’t work. Maybe they weren’t afraid enough to live
This would have been true sooner than this point in the regime but this event is the flashpoint, if I find out that any of my relatives or family members are ICE thugs I would dox them in a heartbeat.
No it doesn’t. - MAGA
Yeah… All the responses to that Twitter post were in defense of ICE… Incredible.
Are there any unsympathetic voices left on Twitter, though? I’m sure the Packers forums have some interesting opinions on yesterday’s football game, too.
She had been this for years. years!!! -MAGAcucks
the US or perhaps the world needs a reboot button
Fallout TV series is mostly about that. Reboot buttons just incentize wealthy gamblers.
Nuke everywhere from space.
Anarcho-Posadist praxis
The Red Coats should march back in and press reset.
That video is tainted. No custody of evidence. The shooter had 48 hours to edit the video.
Sync up the video /audio to thwle dozen others and see if things line up? How much time was removed from the phone?
If the video conveniently “proved” his claims of self defense, you’d have a point. But it clearly doesn’t. It shows he murdered her and his claims of self defense are a blatant lie. You’re literally arguing “well maybe it was self defense because the video could have been edited by the PERPETRATOR to not show it was self defense”. Like wtf?! You’re arguing that the dude purposely edited the video to make himself look worse.
Pro-ICE voices (not necessarily people) think that the video supports the white house claims. The leaked site is right wing, and Vance shared it saying people should watch it.
It’s crazy that this video seems to be such a Rorschach test.
Yeah I’m pretty sure their take on it is “her gay leftie lover made him feel threatened”
Aka setting the "don’t worry, she wasn’t ‘one of us’ " distinction for the MAGAtts
Im not saying the video proves innocence. It can be manipulated and still not help the officer. The fact is ICe/magazine arent the smartest people and I would challenge that video on the basis of custody alone.
And again, arguing custody would be arguing AGAINST the shooter. AT BEST, it would get the video thrown out and then we’d just look at the 4 other videos that all show the exact same thing. It literally doesn’t help, at all. It literally only would add a charge of tampering with evidence.
It still could be used as a argument by the right in that way.
And it would be a dumb fucking argument considering the 3-4 other videos that all corroborate this one. Stop being retarded and proposing half-assed “what-ifs”. Besides the fact that him editing it would be tampering with evidence and IS ITS OWN CRIME. Yeah, he’s just gonna admit to illegally tampering with the video to make himself look worse to create reasonable doubt… when other videos clearly show the incident as well. Ffs, I know these people are morons but you’re taking the cake.
There is really no need to use slurs.
Yeah, I don’t subscribe to that euphemism treadmill bullshit. Maybe save your outrage for things that are actually offensive, like our government murdering people in cold blood, not fucking words. This neutering of our language is bullshit and yes, some things are fucking retarded and need to be called out as such. Trying to defend the shooter here is fucking retarded. I stand by what I said.
And this is why liberals hate other liberals. Were discussing a fucking murder and you’re over here complaining about language. Unless you’re this perfect idealized liberal, other liberals will take the time to bring you down instead of the much more pressing and bigger issue.
Seriously, fuck off with this retarded fucking shit. We NEED words for when things are so ass backwards and anti-logical. I’m not gonna sit here and wish that we “unalive the meanies”. Grow a fucking spine.
Few arguments:
My cousin has downs, she’s retarded, but isn’t an idiot, she’s lovely to be around. Using a word that describes something she was born with to describe the negative choices someone has made is insulting.
We do have other words to describe when things are so back-asswards and anti-logical. Hell, make up your own completely new word, use some creativity.
Just because there’s a larger issue, doesn’t mean we should ignore a smaller issue, especially when the smaller issue is so fucking easy to solve. It’s like not cleaning your bathroom because racism exists.
And then the new word becomes taboo when someone misses that. It’s the Euphemism Treadmill. Like first sentence of my post. But obviously you’re too retarded to read that part. I don’t play that bullshit game. It’s… (wait for it)… RETARDED.
And then the new word becomes taboo when someone misses that. It’s the Euphemism Treadmill. Like first sentence of my post. But obviously you’re too retarded to read that part. I don’t play that bullshit game. It’s… (wait for it)… RETARDED.
It is immoral, ignorant, and shortsighted but i fail to see how it has anything to do with retardation. If you arent using that term clinically, which is antiquated these days anyways, then you are using it as a slur. Which is very unnecessary. I’m not mad but i do think our use of language matters. Your use of that word also makes you look shortsighted and ignorant. Your defense of it makes you also look immoral.
Edit: my point being we already have much more descriptive words for this and the use of slurs makes you look just a ignorant as them.
Now go make yourself useful and kill a fash
“I’m more concerned about someone’s language usage than actual issues”. That’s you, crying like a baby over a word. You sound like a retard.
Also, dont call me a fucking liberal. Yall are bunch of politicucks.
Liberal
“There’s a new video?! Well then…let’s invade…oh…I don’t know…Bermuda!?”
We don’t need MORE proof. Insinuating we need any more proof gives a veneer of validity to the suggestion there is any doubt at all. This is typical right wing “inundate with bullshit” that leaves anyone with a shred of hope of having an honest discussion constantly scrambling to offer more and more proof while the fact is that the Right DO NOT CARE. They’re here to “win”; honesty, morals, truth, reality be damned.
I wonder why we still don’t have the footage from Good’s wife.
I think she feels guilty for egging them on and probably feels responsible to a degree. Also, probably listening to her lawyer about when / if to release it.
Also, probably listening to her lawyer about when / if to release it.
I’d suggest it’s entirely that.
Yeah if I were in her shoes I’d save the footage for court. Don’t want the court of public opinion influencing jurors ahead of time.
That is of course assuming he gets charged as he should.
Drones with 4K cameras are like 50$.
Okay yeah, true. But… I don’t understand who you think should’ve been flying one?
Uh… everyone? Anyone? You guys have more guns than people but you don’t understand who should have a 50$ flying toy?
First, have you ever flown one of those, or do you think you’re getting 247 automated drone overwatch with 50 dollars? How do you think they’re controlled?
Secondly, no, my country doesn’t fucking do that. Maybe assume a bit less.
First, have you ever flown one of those, or do you think you’re getting 247 automated drone overwatch with 50 dollars? How do you think they’re controlled?
There are many ways to get a drone to fly autonomously over a short mission. You may want to figure it out considering where your country is headed. In my country we’re forced to start thinking about it, because you guys may not fix your shit (and your defeatist attitude is contributing to that). Trump is planning an invasion of Mexico and Greenland. You need to catch up.
Secondly, no, my country doesn’t fucking do that. Maybe assume a bit less.
Your country is not what you think it is. The good Americans who want to stop it from becoming a fascist imperialist monster have not figured out or accepted what they need to do to get there. If you’re one of them I suggest you may want to rethink what your country is. You’re assuming too much about the legal and democratic systems remaining. You’re assuming the military won’t just follow orders, and you’re assuming the media and the cultists won’t just fall into lockstep. You need to fundamentally re-evaluate, and quickly.
You may want to figure it out considering where your country is headed.
You don’t read the comments you respond to? Like I said, my country doesn’t have those problems.
There are many ways to get a drone to fly autonomously over a short mission.
Again, simplifying and not specifying who should have one. You think every person everywhere should have a 247 drone buddy filming them?
Show me how an average person can use just 50$ to have a constant 247 4k filming surveillance drone on them. Link a product then.
Your country is not what you think it is.
No, my country isn’t what you think it is, you donkey. Literally. I already told you you’re assuming wrong and you just go right ahead and double down on your mistake. sigh
If you’re saying you’re not American, it wasn’t obvious from the context.
By the way the drone is not for surveillance. It came up in the context of guns, so I would think it were obvious what drone usage was intended. I’ll not go into it here, but if you want a hint look up the state of the modern battlefield in Ukraine. Guns are almost irrelevant.
Frankly having a signal jammer and a cheap tethered drone is all you need to solve problems even a gun can’t solve. Oh, and joining an improv group, if you know what I mean.
If you’re saying you’re not American, it wasn’t obvious from the context.
And nothing I said even remotely implied I am American, yet you just decided to assume that. Why, pray tell?
I would think it were obvious
What did we talk about assumptions? How are we supposed to read your mind about these hare-brained implications you keep throwing out, but refuse to actually specify?
Are you now suggesting eveyone should constantly have a tethered drone with 4k cameras, which operates autonomously btw, and has like a payload of explosives. And this you say can be acquired by anyone with 50 dollars.
And you wonder why people are weirded out?
We need more self-defense (or community defense organizing, if you prefer) classes now more than ever (and fast). For Renee Nicole Good.
Lol are you saying you wouldn’t have called her any names? Also, how do we know that was him talking? There were other officers around. IMO both parties made big mistakes. It all seems a bit contrived, but isn’t that the point?
“Big” mistakes. Hmm… One is saying “put on your big boy britches and get some lunch” and the other was “shooting an unarmed 37 year old mother three times in the face.”
Case closed.
Yeah if I shot someone in the face I’d probably feel bad and not call them a bitch, even if it was a nazi bootlicker defending this murderer.
Interesting. Do you think he knew immediately he had killed her? He seemed to call her a bitch(if it was him speaking) as she was driving off, before she hit the parked cars. Also, did the wife outside the car yell “drive, baby, drive” because she was afraid? The guy who shot her was walking around the car, but he didn’t draw his gun until he got in front and she started to hit the gas. They all had clear police markings on their uniforms, but what was the correct response from her in that situation(genuine question)?
Interesting, the video shows her backing up and then cutting the wheel HARD RIGHT, AWAY from the agent who EASILY SIDESTEPPED, and that is when he shot her point blank in the face with at least 2 rounds, and watched her slump over the wheel as the car accelerated straight into a post, all while spitting out “fuckin’ bitch” like he just fucking SHOWED HER.
It’s disgusting to see how many sociopaths like you exist in this world.
I agree there are a lot of sociopaths out there, but do you know what that word means? I’m asking some questions to get more people’s viewpoints on this because clearly a bunch of people don’t see it the way I do, which is confusing to me. Does that reaaaally make me a sociopath?
I would say yes, yes it does make you a sociopath by asking such questions in this thread that shows a woman being murdered from the perspective of the murderer.
You clearly lack the empathy and wherewithal to understand the nuance happening here, that anyone with empathy can see.
I suppose, yet again, if I(and textbooks) don’t agree with your definitions of empathy and sociopath, I’m in the wrong by default, but then, I guess you’re arguing “empathy” over logic, so it really shouldn’t be surprising. Thank you for helping me to understand your point of view, even if you don’t want to have a discussion.
Oh, I’m quite logical but read the room. This is not the time or place to pose those questions that you’re asking and you won’t get a logical answer for the most part.
I’m just noticing you attempting to make your point everywhere near the top of the thread and you’re getting confused as to why most people aren’t engaging with your rhetoric. I’m not mad at you, dude.
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True. He definitely fired and he was at close range, but I’ve shot a 9mm at a target from close range too. Normally it doesn’t explode, so I have to take just a second to find the hole. His shot went through a window, cracking it and further obscuring the driver. Is it possible he didn’t know he had absolutely killed her or is that just crazy talk?
He fired ONE round through her windshield. He fired TWO rounds through her open driver’s side windows right into her head.
He then watched her slump over the steering wheel and the car accelerate away where it crashed into a post, as he called after it ‘fuckin’ bitch’
The videos are out there, it’s almost like you are being purposefully obtuse I wonder why HMMM
I believe they call this “JAQing off” (Just Asking Questions)
Hey sry man, I’m just not seeing what you’re describing in those videos. It isn’t quite that clear. You might just be right, but I’m just asking some questions. Doesn’t make me a nazi or something, no matter what you seem to think.
You’re here in bad faith, your account is a month old and exclusively has comments defending ice murders.
Is it possible he didn’t know he had absolutely killed her
Irrelevant. He shot at her head multiple times from close range. Everything else you’re bringing up is just typical bootlicker distraction.
Not really. That first shot was almost justifiable because he was hit by the car immediately after the wife screamed “drive, baby, drive!”, but the next 2 shots were definitely indefensible. Can we have a discussion before you call me a bootlicker? If you knew me, you definitely wouldn’t say that. Seems like you’re the bad faith actor here, just sayin.
Can we have a discussion before you call me a bootlicker?
No, because you’re defending a dude shooting someone for no reason.
No, because you’re defending the violence of a group who are going around masked and unmarked killing and abducting people without cause.
Bootlicker.
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Fair enough.
He drew the gun before walking in front of the car. Why are you lying? What else do you lie about?
Idk I guess my eyes have an AI filter on them. Can’t seem to see his hand doing the physical motion of drawing the gun until after he’s standing in front of the car. Crazy. They also just released another angle showing she definitely tried to block traffic and sat there honking for a while before she was approached, so your arguments aren’t aging very well. No worries tho. I unsubscribed from the news part of Lemmy. You can have it 😁
Yep, I really don’t like it, but it’s not as clear cut as people think it is. Let the courts go through all the evidence and have them assess it.
The FBI will find no wrongdoing, no there won’t even be a court to go through it.
I agree and that’s probably exactly what’s going to happen. I’m honestly, genuinely just confused how half of the nation sees one thing and the other half sees the exact opposite in the same exact clips. Both halves would be willing to die on that hill(and a civil war would do exactly that). Is it mass manipulation or is half the nation just lying? The whole scenario is just unreal and no one seems to know(or care) exactly why.
Yep it’s scary. Especially when you look into research on extremist group tactics on social media… they divide and conquer, spread dissent, and manipulate all sorts. It honestly scares me
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Same shit happens every time anything like this happens. During the occupy wall street stuff, a video came out of a cop bumping into a protester with his motorcycle. Obviously an aggressive and unwarranted move, but it was barely a nudge, and the protester collapsed in a heap screaming like a slasher movie bimbo. It was so obviously a dive. But still, anyone on the left had to scream police brutality and speculate on the severity of the protester’s injuries, while anyone who pointed out that it wasn’t that bad was labeled as a bootlicker, and “defending the cops”. Same shit, just the roles are reversed from time to time.
I absolutely agree.
What mistake was made by the victim?
From what I see in the footage(the far-away angle), she dropped someone off(presumably her child) and just parked sideways in the street for a while, blocking most of it, which isn’t wise if ICE just happens to be on that same street and needs to use it, even if you don’t agree with them. When approached by officers, regardless of whether they were 100% following proper procedure, most people would just turn the car off and comply, choosing to fight it in court later and win one of the many successful lawsuits other civilians have won in the past. Instead, after watching him walk around her vehicle filming, she chose to listen to her wife, who yelled “drive, baby, drive” and hit the gas. Whether she was a victim or a criminal, that was foolish because she clearly did it before he pulled his gun(obviously the conservative crowd would argue that was what made him do it, but who really knows).
For the record, I’m not defending the guy who shot her either. Even if the first shot he fired was justified, the 2nd and 3rd shots were not.
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😂😂 if you don’t understand, it’s a bot or a Trumper. I’m starting to see how Lemmy works. 👍
One month old account and this is the only topic you’re responding to. High probability that you are an extreme loser.
Ya know, this might get buried, but I’ll say it anyways. I’m almost 40 and I’ve seen a few things, but I’m not so much upset as just confused. How can everyone in this country watch the same video and half of them say it’s definitely one way while the other half say it’s definitely the other way? That’s happened more than once in the past few years, which is why I say it seems contrived. I’m not a republican or a democrat. I think both sides are up to their ears in corruption. Does that make me a loser? Can we have an actual conversation? I’ll refrain from sarcasm and name calling if you will.
Because half of America has been brainwashed by Fox News to believe that liberals should be murdered.
A poorly trained US government agent just executed a mother of 3, whose last words were “that’s fine dude, I’m not mad at you”, while he spat FUCKIN’ BITCH after her corpse. There used to be a time the Republicans would be screaming that this is an abuse of government power, now they all have erections and are frothing at the mouth in their excitement of the execution of a liberal.
Ok, but isn’t that pretty fucking extreme?! I’m not saying you’re wrong at all, but if you’re right, at least half of the government and half of the nation are all brainwashed on some hidden hand agenda. I’m no stranger to conspiracy theories, but are you saying we’re coming to the culmination of all that?
at least half of the government and half of the nation are all brainwashed on some hidden hand agenda
It’s not hidden at all, this is the culmination of almost 70 years of work by the right wing.
I think both sides are up to their ears in corruption. Does that make me a loser?
Yeah, probably. Centrism is a loser ideology.
Except when you realize that both parties - aside from a few specific Democrats - are totally right of centre.
Like, the Democrats are moderate but solid right-wing neoliberalists, and the Republicans are off-the-deep-end alt-right fascists. So there isn’t a “centrist” position because there is no-one left of centre to balance things out; there is no in-between position that is actually at the centre of the political spectrum.
Even AOC and Bernie would be considered centrists anywhere else in the world. So any use of the word “Centrism” within the bounds of American politics really means “strong right-wing”.
And when almost everyone is right of centre, they really can be grouped together as being equally evil and hostile to the common man.
Now, if you were to look at any first-world country with an actually-functional democracy, you would be correct, because these countries actually have socialist parties that advocate for the masses, and seek to advance the needs of the common citizen. But I digress…
Agreed, but what’s the alternative? I can’t get on board with Libertarians either.
I don’t necessarily think you have to get on board with a party. In some ways, I understand the plight. A lot of politics caters to the rich, and if we have a two party system and they both show disdain for you, it feels like that’s it. However, a lot of party politics can be done at a local level, and while that is a generic answer, it is the answer. You can change your local party to cater to you because you make up a bigger proportion, and you can get your neighbors on board too. Show up and question your local politicians and they will be forced to change or they can be replaced.
It’s a boring answer, but it’s unfortunately what you have. Focusing on the big politics isn’t feasible.
For the other side: how is it justified for him to be firing at the car at all?
His feet in the video clearly show that he was hit, even if it wasn’t that hard. He could have avoided it by stepping aside, but that doesn’t change the fact that her tires were turned towards him when she hit the gas, but she quickly turned the other way to avoid him. Was that on purpose? Who knows, but it makes sense to me that he would want to fire at the car if he believes he’s about to be run over, which would be true whether he’s a demon or an angel(the same being true for calling her a bitch immediately after). Of course, that doesn’t mean it’s justified according to the law, just like if someone hits you in the face, many people’s reaction would be to hit back, even though that might not be the right thing to do. Beyond that, we have many years of videos of police interactions with people where they did have to shoot, sometimes when someone tried to run them over, which would be vehicular homicide. That’s the case for justification.
