28 TB $449.99 Price per TB: $16.07
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We are spiraling towards a you own nothing and rent/subscription it all society.
Honestly. Tankie as hell to say this, but thank fuck for China providing cheap easy alternatives to mainstream hardware
They’re not the victims… WE ARE. They’re giving in to the tech bros idiocy and catering to their wishes. If they any ounce of dignity as a honorable brand, none of them would have risen their prices. There’s literally ZERO actual reason for them to do this other than tech bros rigging it against the rest of us.
Time to buy some sbc boards so I can actually host content in ten years, with whoever’s software considering the foss devs will be broke.
Thank fuck I’m a millennial and I only have thirty more years on the disappointment machine.
If you’re under 30, learn how to shoot. You won’t be doing much hosting.
My 2TB SSD (which I bought for about 100€) failed, I could get my money back but a new one is now 300€.
I got my AMD RX580 graphics card failing on me. It started to crash so frequently I had to put back my GTX1050Ti
Noooooo!!
I just dreamt last night I had 2 more 28tb hard drives for my server to backup.
Now it’s a nightmare. Fuck AI!!!
Why isn’t there a companies just for the consumer market?
Because if they can make for consumers, then there’s a shit ton of investor money waiting for some tech bro to turn it into ‘AI’.
The tech industry companies are playing with nigh unlimited house money, consumers can’t compete.
Because AI is a dual use technology which can broker massive amounts of information to governments.
b/c they all fail as everyone is going for ai marketed cr*p
Made me buy a used 10tb drive recently.
Screw them all, I will have a place for my data and I won’t pay them a dollar for these shenanigans.
I will use a book shelf sized rack of RAID hubs filled with 1 GB flash drives before I buy a single fucking KB of cloud space.
I will install an ancient version of Linux on my mackie D8B soundboard and use that as my PC before I ever buy a goddamn cloud computer.
I would love to do that, but am scared of my house getting flooded/catching fire/getting tornado-ed/multitude of other things. Also, the electricity sometimes doesn’t work, especially now in winter and I need 100% uptime for remote data access
Backups and High Availability come to mind.
If there’s any other place you’d be allowed to install a second node on, ideally served by another ISP (since we talk about remote access), you can do that. This can be your friends, or family, or someone else you trust.
Just have 2 NAS devices with equal drives in each and let them work in a high availability cluster. This way, you’ll have near 100% uptime and a backup in case something goes wrong.
Sure, that is more expensive, but it gives some peace of mind while keeping control of your data. Additionally, with this configuration you don’t necessarily have to build a RAID array if money is a problem, so some costs can be shaved off (Though it never hurts to still have it if you can afford it)
I’ve got 30tb or so made up of 4 and 10tb used drives. All I’ll buy anymore. In fact, I need to change out of of my parity drives. Hopefully used market is still somewhat affordable.
I have four 8TB drives from last year and 4 externals from my old build that were healthy when they came off the last system.
I might be a little ragged in 10 years but I’ll still have a disk spinning if they aren’t arresting wireguard users for terrorism by then.
In my country I got used 10tb for $150. Don’t know situation in your place.
I used to pay like $69 for them in the US. Looks like they add a hundred bucks or so to the price…
Quickly checking eBay, they now cost around $120-150 for SATA and around $100-130 for SAS in the US
Thanks, I’ll look there. I usually just go Amazon or Newegg (easy returns if bad) but I’m sure there are better deals out there.
Are we really sure that AI is not just used as a scape goat for companies to raise prices?
Why HDDs?
It’s a cascade effect. Memory pricing went up -> Increased price of SSD with DRAM cache -> Increased pricing of DRAM-less SSDs after demand shifted -> HDDs became significantly more cost effective again as a storage device but now the demand for them increased so price went up for them as well.
2 months ago I’ve got Samsung 990 EVO Plus 4TB for 235€ now that’s the price of 2TB and the 4TB is almost 400€.
I’ve got 8TB Seagate Exos 7E10 8TB for 182€ in May now it’s almost 260€.
We’re fucked…
if you are looking at this from the US that is not necessarily the only thing that could be driving prices up though. You’ve got tariffs and a much weaker dollar than it used to be right now…
A weak dollar will work great for you when you bring back all those manufacturing jobs from overseas and start exporting the surplus production. Any day know. Any day.
US prices are just EU prices + sales tax now
Storage capacity for datacenters and other data-hungry business operations (think YouTube scale).
Current alternatives don’t reach the same capacity per dollar without caveats (magnetic tape has an incredibly slow seek time and SSDs are too expensive for non-cache usage).
Of course, AI data harvesting is essentially creating artificial (sorry) demand for even more data capacity, and it doesn’t make rational sense for them to use other forms of hardware.
Fun fact - the scale of data involved is so great that Google famously used “sneakernets” (give an employee a backpack of hard drives and tell them to go from A to B) over traditional internet or intranet connections between their larger facilities in the 2010s, because it was faster.
The data used to create that image of the black hole had a transfer speed of 14GB/s because ~700TB of it was captured in Antarctica and spent 14 hours traveling by plane
Yeah right, if they’re buying thousands of terrabytes, I doubt they’re doing it in 1 TB HDD SATA drives.
My understanding is the large AI companies sign purchase agreements with the manufacturers for X amount of drives. The manufacturers then take whatever chips/platters and build those drives. The AI companies have signed such large agreements that all the chips and layers are going to whatever drives they’re asking for and none left to make consumer drives.
They’re replacing us. Until now, corporations have obviously marketed to the working class, even the poorest of us. And they put in that effort, but now they’re moving past us bottom 90% of consumers and focusing on the top 10% and of course the ultra rich specifically. The top 10% of consumers already accounted for 55% of all buying power in Feb 2025, before tariffs, before the unnamed recession we’re in now, before the shutdown and mass firings.
So now you can imagine what that number is at, and you can see their thought process. It’s just not worth bothering to market and sell to us commoners.
Now, I think they’re stupid and I think they’re way too confident in something like the AI bubble, which will pop eventually. That being said, most new purchases (cars, clothes, electronics, ect…) are by the top 10%. They are gunning for our buying power and they are gunning for our labor power with AI. If they succeed, we will lose our two biggest bargaining chips. The ultra rich know this, and they hate that we have had any say over the economy.
If we’re gonna do this general strike, we gotta do it soon, because they are actively working to make action like that impossible.
They are working an infinite money glitch:
What if we were our own customers? Then we could charge whatever we wanted and just use the money from our dumb investors, and since we are also the producers we make a ton of money on the sales!
The tools which make 1 tb HDDs also make bigger ones.
The compone ts to make an HDD are almost the same though
I work at a data center, and there are indeed big arrays of 1 tb sata HDDs. Although this isn’t for AI, our main clients are local companies and healthcare
All prices have been fake since the bailouts started.
POP ALREADY!
An with my investments i really wanna cash in right now, i feel like the bubble is about to burst in the next 3-6months. Then stocks would go down by like 30% and i can buy in again.
Im almost certain its gonna crash down and i wanna be out before that happens but right now stocks just go up way to much.
Usually people advise against trying to time the market. Missing the down is one thing but if you miss the way back up then that is a lot of potential profit gone. Weathering the storm is typically the better option.
- want to make a server
- RAM and HDD prices spike
Fuck this
Proxmox cluster and shuck externals I started during the 2008 crash this is how I’d do budget HL
honestly servers don’t need the latest hardware: just build using DDR4 (or even DDR3): it’s half the price per GB or less each step down, and honestly the biggest reason you want RAM in a server is for a ZFS cache, which is going to be bottlenecked on plenty of other things far before your RAM speed (IMO; i’ve done exactly 0 testing)
(though the max size of a DDR3 module is 8GB so on most consumer hardware that will limit you to 32GB total)
DDR4 RDIMM is like 4 times what it was this summer so even that won’t save you.
It still cost a lot compared to this summer :/
If it’s for a homelab or small project refurbished models are still a good deal but you should hurry, my vendor is running low on hardware that was sitting for years… I got an R630 (40 cores, 64Gb RAM) on offer a few months ago for peanuts…
I wonder what are peanuts in this context. It sounds like a great server!
I should have bought more DDR5 when I first built mine. I figured I’d be able to add more later so I just focused on a good CPU…
Phew! I just bought three 16TB drives a couple of months ago for my jellyfin setup.
Selling them for $5000 each if anyone is interested.
Do we dare ask why you need 48TB to store media, or do we slowly back out of the room, avoiding eye contact?
I get 4k/8k quality everything if I can. Plus my fam can queue up downloads. I had 32TB but we’ve filled it up in 18 months. I now have a backup of the stuff I really like and a bit of room to grow. They keep downloading long running series one of them got project model or something, some food shows and a tattoo show.
Redundancy and high quality backups maybe? Some people have hoarded a lot of media over how many years, doesn’t seem too far fetched to me.
You had me at horded.
You. Had. Me. At. Horded.
If it was my setup those three drives would just give you 16TB of space. Two drives in a mirror and the third as a hot spare.
It’s been a while since I bought storage. $500 for 24TB seems like a steal to me. Not that I have any need for 24TB. Also, I don’t trust Seagate drives. I’d rather have four, 6TB drives than one 24TB drive, but that’s just experience talking–I’ve lost several drives over the years, and most of them were Seagate. YMMV.
Less than a year ago 279 was a baseline price for 24tb
Man, i remember paying $300 for a 200gb ATA back in the day…
Just in time for me to want to upgrade the home server storage.
I guess I’m gonna have to salvage old hard drives and deal with the tiny space.
Just finished ripping about 150 of our DVD collection and space was filling up, went looking for HDDs and was surprised at the prices. Now I know why.
I just finished fixing my storage setup and was ready to add more… 😭
I have an invention that… well, you be the judge; What if we take some cheap paper… and put holes in it ? If we place the holes in a certain way, they will resemble digits and we could store information via holes in a paper ‘card’ !!
No more ram/storage problems! …oh, and very organic btw !!
Hm, we probably need a family member to do the punching/reading of holes, but doable.
Whaddoyuthink - is it a killer invention or what ?
I’d like to see a single movie stored on punch cards. It would be massive.
Not to mention the time it would take to ingest that data
Billionaires are not going to give you a chance to decide whether you want a dumb thin AI client or not.
You won’t be able to procure the hardware even if you could afford it.
We are all gonna be some version the brotherhood of steel now
and if you don’t shut up and like it you will be cut out of the internet … black balled by ATT/T Mobile/Verizon while they refuse to drop fiber to the curb but will end up puling the copper off the poles so no more wired internet.
NOT UNTIL they are done recording profits and laying off people constantly. until they run out of people to "fire:
