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Whenever a malicious app breaks or scammers get to you, its always through the google play store. Their shit isnt even safe to make this fucken claim about safety.
Right but its official, so its safe. That’s what matters. Not whether it has malware or not.
But most importantly, some rich asshole will make some money this quarter and that’s all that matters
This is a nice list I’d consider for new phones.
- Murena (France) with /e/OS (France) on:
- Fairphone (Netherlands)
- Hiroh (USA)
- SHIFTphone (Germany)
- Teracube (USA)
- Punkt MC03 (Switzerland)
- Volla (Germany) with Volla OS or Ubuntu Touch (Germany)
- Jolla (Finland) with Sailfish OS (Finland)
- Purism Librem (USA, manufactured in the USA)
Purism is a grift, should be removed.
Many people are still waiting on phones they ordered years ago.
I pre-ordered a pair of the mobile phones. I eventually got them. They aren’t very good, but I have them.
I’d say the most helpful thing they’ve done is lead the way on adapting Linux and its applications to display and be interactive on small touchscreens. Many people wanting to run Linux on a phone will have Purism to thank for making it viable. They made a lot of upstream contributions.
Oh! I’ve never heard of that one.
i got a fairphone from murena with /e/OS preinstalled recently. i love it so far, but theres a weird glitch where it will randomly switch timezones and only goes back when i restart it and some apps are a little broken.
the issues are relatively minor and its nice to have a phone i know i can plan to keep for a really long time. also the camera is so much better than my old phone. some people said its mid compared to other new phones but if i wanted a camera that nice id buy a real camera.
- Murena (France) with /e/OS (France) on:
I hope they push this out and spark the ire of the EU, who tells them to unfuck it or starts funding an alternative like Ubuntu Phones or something. That would be an amazing outcome.
Unfortunately, things have to get worse before they get better. It’s how people learn.
It’ll be like Edge, where you can uninstall it in certain EU countries, but nowhere else. It won’t really change anything on the grand scheme
I hope they push this out and spark the ire of the EU
probably will take a bit longer because it will happen in certain countries like Indonesia and Brazil first (i.e. not EU countries)–basically the countries with rampant
apkscamming, unfortunately. I think this move is also partially forced by the government in those countries, but that’s just my conspiracy hat talking, note that I’m also against this move and much prefer a scam education (I’m in Indonesia).Apk scamming? What’s that? People trying to get proprietary apps and getting scammed?
Some people aren’t tech savvy, so let me start by saying that you should lower your expectations lol
The scam is basically scammer sending an .apk file saying that it’s important file like invitation, important letter, tax letter, bank statement, etc. and that the victim has to install the app to proceed
The app then basically become a keylogger that steals passwords and PINs, or other kind of malicious act
That is indeed simpler 🤣 Thanks for explaining.
Given who is winning european elections I wouldn’t hold my breath.
As I said, gotta get worse before it gets better. It’s unfortunately how people learn.
My brother has ordered the Jolla phone, and I will too if it works out for him and works on American networks
I think they’ll argue they’re better than ios
Direct Link to Petition mentioned in Post
Remember Change.org is a for profit company, when they ask you to “chip in”, do not do that, if you wish to chip in donate to an advocacy org that fights stuff like this such as the Electronic Frontiers Foundation.
They won’t let me because my email address is for my personal website… How stupid is that‽
Update… Apparently fuckoff@gmail.com is much more valid than admin@mydomain.com
Annoying, but not surprising.
So, do I finally need to learn about GrapheneOS? What are other people doing?
Graphene is only of help (today) if you buy some shit from Google namely a Pixel. If you have another phone, step numero uno is always to learn what custom ROMs are available for your make and model.
Used Pixels are cheap and the money doesn’t go to Google again.
It supports Google by making their reseller market strong. People will buy pixels knowing they will be of value on the reseller market thus strengthening the primary market.
That’s the problem with buying a used Pixel.
On theory, yeah. I got a 512gb pixel 9 fold with a dead inner screen, the rest works fine, for $200. It’s a good deal.
Probably depends on the market. Here where I live they are like Nintendo games: near-full price even when second-hand.
I bought my Pixel 6 Pro refurbished and carrier unlocked and installed GrapheneOS. Pretty happy so far.
Graphene is by far the best. I highly recommend it.
Right now you need a Pixel to run it but soon you can get a Motorola that works with it.
Soon? Was there an update with a timeline? Last I saw it was only ‘announced’ And there’s no ETA
I thought it was Early 2027 but I may have made that up!
This is why I’m happy about Motorola next year
With some luck I’ll have time to put together my diy palmtop-esque machine, but we’ll see if that works out.
I really hope the Motorola thing actually pans out. Based on the general state of things I’m done with both Apple and Google.
What about Motorola? 😯
They are going to start loading GrapheneOS on phones from the start
Fantastic! Thanks for explaining 🙏
I got a reply clarifying that theyre partnering with graphene. I figured I’d reply so you didn’t miss it in the thread
Yeah same, I have no idea what’s happening with Motorola…
They are partnering with GrapheneOS
I don’t trust Motorola to make a phone that doesn’t have numerous hardware backdoors. Motorola does a ton of work for both the US and Israel. If it sounds too good to be true than it probably is. I think the US/Israel gave Motorola a bit of cash to make backdoored hardware that’s made specifically for a privacy hardened software.
Same here. And its not like we are overwhelmed with alternatives, too.
Things have taken quite the turn from the nexus era to now, dropping nexus for pixel felt so blatant too.
For anyone who hasn’t heard, Motorola is partnering with GrapheneOS to release compatible phones in 2027.
I use guests on Linux extensively. My IT has no idea which win OS I even run my outlook on…
I’d love a full VM Guest experience but android (or derivative) based. I’ve not found a way to do that.
I had another thought to just plonk a phone on my home network with a cheap cell provider. Then share that out VPN to all my subsequent devices (more phones, tablets, work computer) to access the screen. Then Alphabet could get stuffed. That phone would never know where I am physically. I don’t use payment services etc.
- I did a search today(kvm control of a phone) and this popped up. Something that can control the phone out of the USB port. I need to think on this further… https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/glinet/comet-q
We all love grapheneOS, but please stop buying Google Pixels to do it. It’s such a contradicting action to first stuff googles pocket with even more money, and then be like “I am privacy conscious.” Please spend your money on alternatives that will put the money to actually developing good alternatives like FairPhone.
Second hand and refurbished is a thing
How about putting your money where it will actually contribute to foss tech
Just don’t buy them new, and it becomes far more ethical.
And what are we supposed to do about it?
I made a goddamn prediction back in 2012 when Google was introducing the Nexus line of handsets. I FUCKING KNEW this “open platform” bullshit had it’s days numbered.
These companies are fun when they’re young, but they will ALWAYS turn on the consumer.
Adam Smith was right. Without ethics and morals, the system WILL crumble.
We have extremely moral billionaires preaching their theology in silicon valley, so it should all be fixed pretty soon.
Ethics and morals are irrelevant when the entire economic paradigm is designed to reward whatever makes the most profit regardless of ethical considerations.
@dudesss@lemmy.ca made a nice list of phones.
Buy an unlocked phone and tether a laptop to it, only use the phone for calls and sms.
pissed-tier: take it off on your taxes out of spite
Wow, you knew in 2012 that finally in 2026 the days of Android phones are numbered, nice one.
I mean, 14 years isn’t exactly a short time for something to turn shitty.
haven’t rooted an Android phone in quite some time, but looks rooting is back on the menu
I’m not here to downplay people’s issues or the implications as to what the future holds, but how many here will be affected by these changes? I’m leaning towards buying a Fairphone the next time my phone breaks down, but these changes won’t currently affect me as far as I know.
This is the reason I’ve disabled automatic system updates since 2024.
it will not come with system updates, but with updates to the google play services package. you can’t disable that. how else would they lock down most phones if manufacturers only supply updates for such a short time, if any.
Same, but that only lets the user delay the update, not avoid it. They eventually force every update scheduled for a non-peak time in the middle of the night while we’re sleeping. Or please let me know if you’ve found a way around that.
I’m not sure; according to my Samsung update it says the last update was 2 August 2025.
Everyone happy about motorola and GOS scene, moto has been recently found out for some honey pot scam they were doing in people phone. So the brand we will be paying is not that good and is also just evil like Google
Is this the Honey scandal all over again? Motorola phones caught adding affiliate codes to Amazon orders
I have a motorola, absolutely no clue what anything else you wrote means.
Graphene OS has a partnership with Motorola for some phones that are supposed to be coming out. Apparently Motorola has been up to shenanigans though
But currently graphene only works on pixels iirc?
Well yes at the moment, but if I remember correctly the misunderstanding was regarding Motorola who is supposed to be producing some Graphene OS models in the near future
september i get my jolla phone :))
Same here
I’m on GrapheneOS on tablet and phone running mostly/exclusively open source, so not affected.
How does this work, can you install it on any android device or do you have to specifically get a graphene device? Can you run common apps from the play store if you choose?
For time being you’re limited to Pixels. Some Motorola models in a year or two. Installation is a breeze. You can run completely Google-free or install Google Play services in a sandbox, so you could install them in a common shared or separate profile.
ironically, installation is only a breeze over a google chrome based browser. but it’s not harder the other way either, just looks a little more complicated.
GrapheneOS only support Pixel devices.
Can you run common apps from the play store if you choose?
https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/10855-google-play-store-install
I think you can install Google Services (including Play Store) if you want, but there are alternative like Aurora Store that lets you download apps from Play Store without Google Services, but obviously you can’t buy apps from it
the main concern is probably banking apps or some apps that require Google Play Services to run
Currently, graphene can only be installed on Pixel phones, but Motorola will be releasing phones that are compatible although I’m not sure when. Graphene runs a “sandboxed” version of the play store. You can get just about any Android app and your apps can’t really talk to one another or to the play store. Occasionally you’ll find an app that doesn’t work. If you want more detail you can join the graphene OS discord. It’s pretty quick & easy to install.
Fucking hell. I’m not joining discord for support.
That’s fair. I’m sure there are other places to get info but there discord is where I’ve seen the most users in one place.
